Sportshift driving me nuts.
01-02-2003, 09:38 PM
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Sportshift driving me nuts.
Ok, I'm probably the only one but I think the sportshift is backwards. I pull back to upshift, push forward to downshift. This is natural for me and I can't seem to break my habit. Unfortnatly, Honda beleives you should push forward to upshift, and backward to downshift. I'm guessing there are some switches below that plate that a triggered when the switchgear is pushed or pulled, switches connected to a harness with most likely identical plugs. I'm hoping I can dig in there and swap plugs from one side to the other. I don't care if the + actually means downshift and the - now means upshift on the baseplate. I've searched the forums and cannot find anyone else suffering from my apparent dyslexia so I'll understand if no-one actually has an answer. But if anyone has had this area apart already, any insight you might as to the feasability of my plan would be helpful.
01-02-2003, 11:35 PM
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Re: Sportshift driving me nuts.
Originally posted by trouser chili
Ok, I'm probably the only one but I think the sportshift is backwards. I pull back to upshift, push forward to downshift. This is natural for me and I can't seem to break my habit. Unfortnatly, Honda beleives you should push forward to upshift, and backward to downshift. I'm guessing there are some switches below that plate that a triggered when the switchgear is pushed or pulled, switches connected to a harness with most likely identical plugs. I'm hoping I can dig in there and swap plugs from one side to the other. I don't care if the + actually means downshift and the - now means upshift on the baseplate. I've searched the forums and cannot find anyone else suffering from my apparent dyslexia so I'll understand if no-one actually has an answer. But if anyone has had this area apart already, any insight you might as to the feasability of my plan would be helpful.
Ok, I'm probably the only one but I think the sportshift is backwards. I pull back to upshift, push forward to downshift. This is natural for me and I can't seem to break my habit. Unfortnatly, Honda beleives you should push forward to upshift, and backward to downshift. I'm guessing there are some switches below that plate that a triggered when the switchgear is pushed or pulled, switches connected to a harness with most likely identical plugs. I'm hoping I can dig in there and swap plugs from one side to the other. I don't care if the + actually means downshift and the - now means upshift on the baseplate. I've searched the forums and cannot find anyone else suffering from my apparent dyslexia so I'll understand if no-one actually has an answer. But if anyone has had this area apart already, any insight you might as to the feasability of my plan would be helpful.
01-02-2003, 11:45 PM
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well i used to have a manual car and honestly, it makes sense either way....
with bmws it is UP for downshifting and DOWN for upshifting.... makes sense right? u go from 1st to 2nd and get ur power so u shift by moving DOWN
with acura its reversed... makes sense this way too:
suppose ure on the highway and ure cruising and u get the urge to utilize the VTEC power... u throw it into SS and then DOWNSHIFT to get ur power.... if u are driving at 65 , then going to 3rd shud easily give u the power u need to just drive by everyone
confusing but makes sense to me either way
with bmws it is UP for downshifting and DOWN for upshifting.... makes sense right? u go from 1st to 2nd and get ur power so u shift by moving DOWN
with acura its reversed... makes sense this way too:
suppose ure on the highway and ure cruising and u get the urge to utilize the VTEC power... u throw it into SS and then DOWNSHIFT to get ur power.... if u are driving at 65 , then going to 3rd shud easily give u the power u need to just drive by everyone
confusing but makes sense to me either way
01-03-2003, 07:22 AM
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Actually, in CART race cars, they use a sequential gearbox that is up (forward) for downshifts and down(back) for upshifts. That's probably why BMW does it that way. I think F1 uses paddle shifters.
My guess is the reasoning is that when you are approaching a curve and downshifting, those race cars are experiencing tremendous braking g's and pushing the lever forward is easier then? Just a guess.
My guess is the reasoning is that when you are approaching a curve and downshifting, those race cars are experiencing tremendous braking g's and pushing the lever forward is easier then? Just a guess.
01-03-2003, 07:31 AM
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F1 is practically a fully automatic dry clutch system today, although they do also have paddles. However most WRC drivers also prefer a forward-downshift backward-upshift style as well.
Also in an aeroplane you pull back to go up, push forward to go down.
Also in an aeroplane you pull back to go up, push forward to go down.
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01-03-2003, 08:15 AM
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Like fahoumh said... a few people have reversed it. I believe you just have to reverse something in the ECU to change it up.
Personally I think it makes sense... you push up to upshift and down to downshift. I'm not sure that pushing down to upshift makes much sense... but I guess everyone has their own groove when they're driving.
Personally I think it makes sense... you push up to upshift and down to downshift. I'm not sure that pushing down to upshift makes much sense... but I guess everyone has their own groove when they're driving.
01-03-2003, 10:34 AM
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Forward = GO = MORE SPEED = NO BRAKING
Backward = STOP = MORE POWER = FULL BRAKING
Using that analogy, ACURA SS System makes absolute sense. If you have operated a modern day Universal Japanese Motorcycle, you'll get the hang of it reall quick.
Backward = STOP = MORE POWER = FULL BRAKING
Using that analogy, ACURA SS System makes absolute sense. If you have operated a modern day Universal Japanese Motorcycle, you'll get the hang of it reall quick.
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Acura SS System totally makes sense. If you want to go up a gear you shift up and you wan to down a gear you downshift.
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01-04-2003, 02:23 AM
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man, this is a big topic...
At the BMW forums, they wish it was Up for + and down for -, the opposite of what they have. and we want what they have. hey, why dont we just call them all and offer to trade cars??? Hell, ill take a 540i, M3, M5, or a nice 7 series in trade for my TL eheheh
At the BMW forums, they wish it was Up for + and down for -, the opposite of what they have. and we want what they have. hey, why dont we just call them all and offer to trade cars???
Hell, ill take a 540i, M3, M5, or a nice 7 series in trade for my TL eheheh
01-04-2003, 05:01 PM
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Really I guess it just boils down to personal preference. I'm still looking for information regarding how to change mine. I'm not getting used to it.
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nope
CART style is correct.
the way it works is this...
when you're accelerating... which way is your body moving? your body is pushed backwards into the seat... so upshifting by pulling the lever backwards makes upshifting to the next gear more of a natural motion...
accelerate, body moves backwards, arm can move backwards as well to upshift to next gear
vice versa... sportshift gives the ability to downshift to utilize engine braking.
during braking, which direction does your body move? forward. taking that natural motion, downshifting for engine braking and getting your car into the right gear to powerout is more natural by pushing the shift lever forward.
the way it works is this...
when you're accelerating... which way is your body moving? your body is pushed backwards into the seat... so upshifting by pulling the lever backwards makes upshifting to the next gear more of a natural motion...
accelerate, body moves backwards, arm can move backwards as well to upshift to next gear
vice versa... sportshift gives the ability to downshift to utilize engine braking.
during braking, which direction does your body move? forward. taking that natural motion, downshifting for engine braking and getting your car into the right gear to powerout is more natural by pushing the shift lever forward.
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