Ran with a LS430
05-20-2002, 02:54 PM
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Ran with a LS430
I was on my way to this damn wedding reception when I looked in my review mirror and saw this LS430 flashing his lights at me telling me to get out his way. It was some old guy and his wife, so I moved over and then he pulled up to me, my girl was in the car and she hates it when I race anyone with her in the car. But I looked at her and said please! So it was on. I looked over at the guy and nodded and we were off. He stayed right next to me from around like 60 to 100, in third the whole time. I was supprised that he didnt pull off from me. It was really like nose to nose. I have stock ass type-s, it was fun and my girl was like that wasnt that bad. Then she said too bad he paid like 30K more than you on his car. I laughed. Whats the deal with this car, 0-60 and 1/4mile times? Isn't it a V-8?
05-20-2002, 03:07 PM
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LS430....not familiar with those. I only know of the GS430 and if that was so, then he was playing with you.
But after looking at the Lexus site...here are the stats
Engine 4.3L V8 32 Valve DOHC
Horsepower @ RPM 290@5600
Torque @ RPM 320@3400
But after looking at the Lexus site...here are the stats
Engine 4.3L V8 32 Valve DOHC
Horsepower @ RPM 290@5600
Torque @ RPM 320@3400
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There must be a large weight difference with the LS-430 and TL-S. Maybe you just have bigger balls and he didn't to fully floor his car since it is over $60K. But I wouldn't doubt on a pull from 60-100mph that the TL-S could hang head to head.
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Originally posted by tls988
If the race is at a race track such as Daytona, type-S will pass the new LS430 after a couple of laps because Lexus restricted the new LS430 top speed to 132mph
If the race is at a race track such as Daytona, type-S will pass the new LS430 after a couple of laps because Lexus restricted the new LS430 top speed to 132mph
the old one can reach 155mph
05-21-2002, 09:02 AM
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LS430 is a luxury cruiser that emphasizes luxury over sport. Its fast but the TL can hang upto about a 100mph. GS4xx is more sport than the LS and thus faster (has 10-20 more hp, depending on the year, and probably better gearing). I'm not surprised at all that you were side by side.
05-21-2002, 12:47 PM
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Yes TL-S will hang but after 80 forget about it. 320lbs torque, available as low as 1800 rpm. Not to mention a drag of what .26 (helps a bunch at high speeds).
He was playing with u. LS 430 for it's size weighs right under 4000lbs.
He was playing with u. LS 430 for it's size weighs right under 4000lbs.
05-21-2002, 06:45 PM
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As some have pointed out already, the LS430 is a luxo-barge, not a sport sedan. It still has a healthy engine, basically a slightly detuned version of the engine from the GS430 and SC430, but it's also very heavy.
That weight pays off if you want comfort, though! Instead of heated front seats, the LS has climate controlled, massaging front seats and heated REAR seats. It has voice activated controls, auto-closing doors and trunk lid, etc. It's a techno barrage!
Even so, the V8 combined with the sport/Euro suspension package makes for a pretty damned fun car to drive. But it's not at all trying to address the same market as the TL-S.
That weight pays off if you want comfort, though! Instead of heated front seats, the LS has climate controlled, massaging front seats and heated REAR seats. It has voice activated controls, auto-closing doors and trunk lid, etc. It's a techno barrage!
Even so, the V8 combined with the sport/Euro suspension package makes for a pretty damned fun car to drive. But it's not at all trying to address the same market as the TL-S.
05-21-2002, 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Yes TL-S will hang but after 80 forget about it. 320lbs torque, available as low as 1800 rpm. Not to mention a drag of what .26 (helps a bunch at high speeds).
He was playing with u. LS 430 for it's size weighs right under 4000lbs.
Yes TL-S will hang but after 80 forget about it. 320lbs torque, available as low as 1800 rpm. Not to mention a drag of what .26 (helps a bunch at high speeds).
He was playing with u. LS 430 for it's size weighs right under 4000lbs.
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I've driven a 97 LS400 before,
The 4.3 liter engine is rated at a conservative 290hp.
I did not say he is lying, I said the LS was playing.
05-22-2002, 01:00 PM
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1sicklex, this guy wasnt playing, he floored it. It was some old dude and his wife having some fun, as did I. 1/4 mile times are basically the same for both the cars, and alot of people pointed out that the ls is for luxury and doent get me wrong, it is, I myself would not be racing any other cars in that one. But he wanted to run so we did. Sorry to say that we were neck and neck but it was so.
05-22-2002, 10:15 PM
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I am sure TL-S will have no problem keeping up with LS 400/430. These cars are pretty even to 100 mph. Above 100 TL-S will slow down because of the 4th gear but at the same time LS 430 driver will slow down because of the luxury (soft) suspension. Can you imagine LS 430 doing 120 mph?. I t is like Lincoln Town Car doing 120. Neither these cars nor their owners are made to go fast.
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Since I've taken both a LS and a Town Car over 100mph, the Town Car feels like a freaking boat at that speed. No comparison. THe LS is not that bad, with some larger wheels it actually is pretty solid.
Take the time one day and drive one at the dealer, you'll see.
Take the time one day and drive one at the dealer, you'll see.
05-23-2002, 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Yes TL-S will hang but after 80 forget about it. 320lbs torque, available as low as 1800 rpm. Not to mention a drag of what .26 (helps a bunch at high speeds).
He was playing with u. LS 430 for it's size weighs right under 4000lbs.
Yes TL-S will hang but after 80 forget about it. 320lbs torque, available as low as 1800 rpm. Not to mention a drag of what .26 (helps a bunch at high speeds).
He was playing with u. LS 430 for it's size weighs right under 4000lbs.
Just saw this post and I'm sorry to disagree. Surprised??
Seriously, you'll be surprised with the TLS' performance up to 115MPH. It's a serious run, but when you hit overdrive (4th), it really slows down.
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dude, come on...LS430 is not built for speed..it's a high end luxury car for old folks...
If u want a good race, meet up with me and work mine 95 turbo integra...only 426 hp (at the wheel
My TL is a bone stock going to work car..i don't even bother with that ..
just playing with ya.
If u want a good race, meet up with me and work mine 95 turbo integra...only 426 hp (at the wheel
My TL is a bone stock going to work car..i don't even bother with that ..just playing with ya.
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Well that model has a 4.0 liter V-8 good for 260hp and 260 lbs torque. That V-8 also DOES NOT have VVT-i, which made 290 hp and 300 lbs of torque in the same engine.
The 4.3 liter engine is rated at a conservative 290hp.
I did not say he is lying, I said the LS was playing.
Well that model has a 4.0 liter V-8 good for 260hp and 260 lbs torque. That V-8 also DOES NOT have VVT-i, which made 290 hp and 300 lbs of torque in the same engine.
The 4.3 liter engine is rated at a conservative 290hp.
I did not say he is lying, I said the LS was playing.
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Indeed, the ES, IS, and GS will have 330 models instead of 300 models soon with a new V-6. The 4.3 liter engine will get increased ratings in 2004 when the new GS comes out along with a refreshend LS.
Ruf87 how's it been going, raced a GS 400/430 yet?!?!:p
Ruf87 how's it been going, raced a GS 400/430 yet?!?!:p
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Indeed, the ES, IS, and GS will have 330 models instead of 300 models soon with a new V-6. The 4.3 liter engine will get increased ratings in 2004 when the new GS comes out along with a refreshend LS.
Ruf87 how's it been going, raced a GS 400/430 yet?!?!:p
Indeed, the ES, IS, and GS will have 330 models instead of 300 models soon with a new V-6. The 4.3 liter engine will get increased ratings in 2004 when the new GS comes out along with a refreshend LS.
Ruf87 how's it been going, raced a GS 400/430 yet?!?!:p
. I assume they are going to be 3.3 liter engines, no?
Hmmm...the IS330, those last 3 numbers seem really familiar to me, like another car company uses them or something like that:p
By 2004 the IS is going to need a major freshening itself.
05-28-2002, 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Indeed, the ES, IS, and GS will have 330 models instead of 300 models soon with a new V-6. The 4.3 liter engine will get increased ratings in 2004 when the new GS comes out along with a refreshend LS.
Ruf87 how's it been going, raced a GS 400/430 yet?!?!:p
Indeed, the ES, IS, and GS will have 330 models instead of 300 models soon with a new V-6. The 4.3 liter engine will get increased ratings in 2004 when the new GS comes out along with a refreshend LS.
Ruf87 how's it been going, raced a GS 400/430 yet?!?!:p
Mostly the status types who buy the 400 or 430 because it's the top of the line. And they typically don't have racing blood in them, or know how to drive one to the limit. So it wouldn't be a valid race for me going against a "social" driver. :p
One day though I'll be so lucky, or unlucky depending on the outcome. Either way I'll enjoy it.
BTW - Added another 330i to my kill list. Must be over rated, or people who can't drive.
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Ruf, don't that suck? It took me a year to find a 540 6speed and he could not drive. Only 2 raced vs a 540 in 2 years.
LuckyDevin, I am sure this new V-6 will power the Camry and RX 300 and Highlander etc etc.
The new 4-runner will have a V-8 option I hear.
Lexus will have a new 5.4 liter V-8 soon.
LuckyDevin, I am sure this new V-6 will power the Camry and RX 300 and Highlander etc etc.
The new 4-runner will have a V-8 option I hear.
Lexus will have a new 5.4 liter V-8 soon.
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they should have dropped the I-6 long ago...
aging design....heavy block and takes up more space than the V6...
VVT-i helped a lot but still not enough for its more than 12 yrs of existence
so does their creamy smooth V6...has been out since 1992...
need a new engine to keep up...
but 3.3 liter? that's an odd number...
4 runner with V8? is that the toyota version of the GX 470??
5.4 V8...in doubt with that...so far the largest engine available for toyota is the 5.0L V12 in Century. which is not available here...
and see no signs of making it...since the 4.7 is more than adequate
aging design....heavy block and takes up more space than the V6...
VVT-i helped a lot but still not enough for its more than 12 yrs of existence
so does their creamy smooth V6...has been out since 1992...
need a new engine to keep up...
but 3.3 liter? that's an odd number...
4 runner with V8? is that the toyota version of the GX 470??
5.4 V8...in doubt with that...so far the largest engine available for toyota is the 5.0L V12 in Century. which is not available here...
and see no signs of making it...since the 4.7 is more than adequate
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Well that model has a 4.0 liter V-8 good for 260hp and 260 lbs torque. That V-8 also DOES NOT have VVT-i, which made 290 hp and 300 lbs of torque in the same engine.
The 4.3 liter engine is rated at a conservative 290hp.
I did not say he is lying, I said the LS was playing.
Well that model has a 4.0 liter V-8 good for 260hp and 260 lbs torque. That V-8 also DOES NOT have VVT-i, which made 290 hp and 300 lbs of torque in the same engine.
The 4.3 liter engine is rated at a conservative 290hp.
I did not say he is lying, I said the LS was playing.
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Originally posted by samkws
they should have dropped the I-6 long ago...
aging design....heavy block and takes up more space than the V6...
VVT-i helped a lot but still not enough for its more than 12 yrs of existence
so does their creamy smooth V6...has been out since 1992...
need a new engine to keep up...
but 3.3 liter? that's an odd number...
4 runner with V8? is that the toyota version of the GX 470??
5.4 V8...in doubt with that...so far the largest engine available for toyota is the 5.0L V12 in Century. which is not available here...
and see no signs of making it...since the 4.7 is more than adequate
they should have dropped the I-6 long ago...
aging design....heavy block and takes up more space than the V6...
VVT-i helped a lot but still not enough for its more than 12 yrs of existence
so does their creamy smooth V6...has been out since 1992...
need a new engine to keep up...
but 3.3 liter? that's an odd number...
4 runner with V8? is that the toyota version of the GX 470??
5.4 V8...in doubt with that...so far the largest engine available for toyota is the 5.0L V12 in Century. which is not available here...
and see no signs of making it...since the 4.7 is more than adequate
The Toyota version of the GX470 is the Sequioa.
Also, 'yota has been talking about making a new V8 for a long time now, I think it's a good idea. The 4.7 liter is good, but it has been around for a while itself.
I'm waiting to see what Toyota does with its next supercar that it obviously intends to produce in the next several years. Any word on if they will go with the V12, or a souped-the-hell-up 4.3 liter? Any info on this, 1SickLex?
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GX 470 is a deidicated SUV platform called the Prado overseas. No parts are shared with the Sequoia.
The 3.0 I-6 from Toyota was one of the strongest most reliable engines ever made. Ask the Supra guys or SC 300 Turbo guys, it basically takes any amount of power you add to it (once u have the $$$$$$$).
I-6 are more of a b!tch to package in a car and are more expensive to make than a V-6. THe 5.4 V-8 is a rumor, I am sure it will go in the next LX 470 (540) and a possible Lexus Sequioa.
Toyota is really building the engine for it's TUndra truck. TOyota sold 107k last year and compared to Fords 900k, that is nothing. So they want to sell more and will make a bigger engine to compete.
About the supercar, seeing Nissan and Madza RE-ENTER the market a SUpra could reappear.
I do hear a 100k SUPER SUPER car coming, with either a TT V-8 or V-12.
Not sure though as Toyota works on its Scion youth market auto division.
The 3.0 I-6 from Toyota was one of the strongest most reliable engines ever made. Ask the Supra guys or SC 300 Turbo guys, it basically takes any amount of power you add to it (once u have the $$$$$$$).
I-6 are more of a b!tch to package in a car and are more expensive to make than a V-6. THe 5.4 V-8 is a rumor, I am sure it will go in the next LX 470 (540) and a possible Lexus Sequioa.
Toyota is really building the engine for it's TUndra truck. TOyota sold 107k last year and compared to Fords 900k, that is nothing. So they want to sell more and will make a bigger engine to compete.
About the supercar, seeing Nissan and Madza RE-ENTER the market a SUpra could reappear.
I do hear a 100k SUPER SUPER car coming, with either a TT V-8 or V-12.
Not sure though as Toyota works on its Scion youth market auto division.
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
GX 470 is a deidicated SUV platform called the Prado overseas. No parts are shared with the Sequoia.
The 3.0 I-6 from Toyota was one of the strongest most reliable engines ever made. Ask the Supra guys or SC 300 Turbo guys, it basically takes any amount of power you add to it (once u have the $$$$$$$).
I-6 are more of a b!tch to package in a car and are more expensive to make than a V-6. THe 5.4 V-8 is a rumor, I am sure it will go in the next LX 470 (540) and a possible Lexus Sequioa.
Toyota is really building the engine for it's TUndra truck. TOyota sold 107k last year and compared to Fords 900k, that is nothing. So they want to sell more and will make a bigger engine to compete.
About the supercar, seeing Nissan and Madza RE-ENTER the market a SUpra could reappear.
I do hear a 100k SUPER SUPER car coming, with either a TT V-8 or V-12.
Not sure though as Toyota works on its Scion youth market auto division.
GX 470 is a deidicated SUV platform called the Prado overseas. No parts are shared with the Sequoia.
The 3.0 I-6 from Toyota was one of the strongest most reliable engines ever made. Ask the Supra guys or SC 300 Turbo guys, it basically takes any amount of power you add to it (once u have the $$$$$$$).
I-6 are more of a b!tch to package in a car and are more expensive to make than a V-6. THe 5.4 V-8 is a rumor, I am sure it will go in the next LX 470 (540) and a possible Lexus Sequioa.
Toyota is really building the engine for it's TUndra truck. TOyota sold 107k last year and compared to Fords 900k, that is nothing. So they want to sell more and will make a bigger engine to compete.
About the supercar, seeing Nissan and Madza RE-ENTER the market a SUpra could reappear.
I do hear a 100k SUPER SUPER car coming, with either a TT V-8 or V-12.
Not sure though as Toyota works on its Scion youth market auto division.
their I-6 is the past...V6 should take over anytime...or just put in a V8 instead...
well...the PRADO is exactly the same to the 4 Runner...it is the American version of the prado...with the same 3.4 liter engine but the Prado has an extra side mirror on the engine cover at the front
new Supra is the on the way...but when?? nobody knows...
also there will be a LS500 with their 5.0 V12 engine...but not sure when to come...
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
GX 470 is a deidicated SUV platform called the Prado overseas. No parts are shared with the Sequoia.
The 3.0 I-6 from Toyota was one of the strongest most reliable engines ever made. Ask the Supra guys or SC 300 Turbo guys, it basically takes any amount of power you add to it (once u have the $$$$$$$).
I-6 are more of a b!tch to package in a car and are more expensive to make than a V-6. THe 5.4 V-8 is a rumor, I am sure it will go in the next LX 470 (540) and a possible Lexus Sequioa.
Toyota is really building the engine for it's TUndra truck. TOyota sold 107k last year and compared to Fords 900k, that is nothing. So they want to sell more and will make a bigger engine to compete.
About the supercar, seeing Nissan and Madza RE-ENTER the market a SUpra could reappear.
I do hear a 100k SUPER SUPER car coming, with either a TT V-8 or V-12.
Not sure though as Toyota works on its Scion youth market auto division.
GX 470 is a deidicated SUV platform called the Prado overseas. No parts are shared with the Sequoia.
The 3.0 I-6 from Toyota was one of the strongest most reliable engines ever made. Ask the Supra guys or SC 300 Turbo guys, it basically takes any amount of power you add to it (once u have the $$$$$$$).
I-6 are more of a b!tch to package in a car and are more expensive to make than a V-6. THe 5.4 V-8 is a rumor, I am sure it will go in the next LX 470 (540) and a possible Lexus Sequioa.
Toyota is really building the engine for it's TUndra truck. TOyota sold 107k last year and compared to Fords 900k, that is nothing. So they want to sell more and will make a bigger engine to compete.
About the supercar, seeing Nissan and Madza RE-ENTER the market a SUpra could reappear.
I do hear a 100k SUPER SUPER car coming, with either a TT V-8 or V-12.
Not sure though as Toyota works on its Scion youth market auto division.
Yeah, I doubt there will be a new Supra, I've heard things about their supercar being called the 5000GT, presumably because of the 5 liter V12. I know that they haven't made any formal decisions on it yet. I think that they are going to go for the SUPER SUPER car route, as you stated.
I don't think that the Scion thing is a very good idea. We'll see what they come up with for it though.
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Also emmesions and ULEV ratings, not sure how much more Toyota can pass em with an older engine.
Scion=rigggggggggggggghttt.
Why not make sporty Toyota's? We have enough brands as it is IMO.
Scion=rigggggggggggggghttt.
Why not make sporty Toyota's? We have enough brands as it is IMO.
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Also emmesions and ULEV ratings, not sure how much more Toyota can pass em with an older engine.
Scion=rigggggggggggggghttt.
Why not make sporty Toyota's? We have enough brands as it is IMO.
Also emmesions and ULEV ratings, not sure how much more Toyota can pass em with an older engine.
Scion=rigggggggggggggghttt.
Why not make sporty Toyota's? We have enough brands as it is IMO.
Also, you stated earlier that the GX470 shared no parts with the Sequoia. Don't they have the same iForce V8?
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