Closer, now I know even you don't believe that.

Like someone said, sure it's easy to pull the 540i's worst number EVER published vs the BEST number a TLS WILL EVER pull.

If you believe you can beat a 540 with even a modded TLS then my hats off to you but I will say that you're in for an unpleasant surprise. As having owned a pretty modded TL (still got my a$$ kicked by my friend's 540) I wouldn't even say that "oh based on whatever car mag the 540 hit 60 in whatever so the TLS is faster". Sorry to be the one to break it to you, out of 10 races maybe, and I mean a slight maybe the TLS would win a whopping 1 of 10.

BTW, this has nothing to do with this topic as I believe that the TLS could hold off the 540 til the end of 1st gear so I do believe this thread...now as far as being ahead by the end of 2nd gear is very very questionable but I can't say it didn't happen. Sure it's 282HP vs 260, which is basically 20HP, but guess what, the 540iA stock dynos at 240HP vs 198-200 of the TLS stock dyno. I won't even get into the torque difference as there is about 90 lbs. of difference in dyno numbers.

Hey, if you beat the 540 owner off the line, great, however the 540 owner should be shot and not even drive a 540 if he/she is going to lose to a TLS off the line til the end of 2nd as you claim. If you really won, then not good but GREAT KILL and enjoy cuz you won't see too many of them.

 

I think MB has the most catchy commercials IMO.

 

Well, I got it off of Kazaa, you wouldn't believe how many street racing videos they have on there. I have it on a CD (all the races) so I don't know how I could show them to you If you do have Kazaa though, then go search the video section for "street racing" and such. I also got a clip of a 800hp Walser Supra racing a Kawasaki Hayabusa sportbike on the interstate , now THAT is some bad azz ****.

 

TLS stock dyno is closer to 220 whereas the TLP stock dyno is around 190-200.

 

For goodness sakes, the 540 is the supreme sports sedan and besides the M5, the 540 stock is king of the hill.

You hp guys KILL ME. WHEN does your 260hp peak at vs the 540? BMW is VERY accurate and conservative with hp ratings.

Auto mags are for general ideas, not the HOLY WORD! What about the 7 sec TL-S in Road Track (forgot about that huh). And the whole the TL-S supplied had Comptech Headers.

Just bow down, okay.

 

From what I heard, IS300 guys made that up to make themselves feel better.

 

Well considering the IS is considered a true sports sedan, they ain't worried about sh!T:wow:

 

Sicklex,

We all know that people here LOVE to take the best numbers for the tls and compare them to the worse numbers of any other competion car.

It funny how tls people herald the tls as so fast this and has so much horse power that blah blah blah. But when a car like the G35 comes along with more power speed and faster, the same people will say that the speed aight everything.

Oh yeah to the fool that made up the story about killing a BMW540i, was it a one sided race. Do you truly believe that the 540i was even aware of your sh!tty little car. While you was slamming on your gas of your tls was the driver of the 540 even gassing. Their is no way in hell will your tls kill a 540 if he really wanted to race you.:wow:

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say he took the best TL-S #'s and compared it to the worst 540I #'s. Even under those circumstances, if as you say the 540I is so much faster, it's worst #'s should be better than the TL-S's best #'s but they are not. I think that's saying a lot considering that you can buy two TL-S's for the price of one 540I. If I was a 540I owner I would be disappointed unless 0-60 time were consistantly.7-1 second faster than a TL-S. They are not!

 

"I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say he took the best TL-S #'s and compared it to the worst 540I #'s. Even under those circumstances, if as you say the 540I is so much faster, it's worst #'s should be better than the TL-S's best #'s but they are not. I think that's saying a lot considering that you can buy two TL-S's for the price of one 540I. If I was a 540I owner I would be disappointed unless 0-60 time were consistantly.7-1 second faster than a TL-S. They are not! "



Speed is not the whole car, how can you say that because can only get to 60 so fast, means its a pos?? Embarrassed.?? I guess all the A8, 745's, SL500's, LS430's, Q45's, jags, S430's are all embarassed when compared to our cars because a cheaper car is quicker. Ya right. They may have bought those cars, cause the exterior is nicer, the interior is nicer, rides smoother, more room, more comfortable, more features and so on.

TLS seems like a great buy, but because it may be quicker doesnt mean its a better car.

Humm lets see, if someone was to give me a car what would i take??? A TLS or a 540, humm tough one,,, NOT...

 

Personally, I never pick "battles" I know I'll (most likely) lose. I think it's only fair to go up against others in "our" class... even though there are "4 bangers" out there that'll beat us...

But, this may or may not make any TL-S owners out there feel better... I've beaten Corvettes several times... "C4s" that is. I don't dare to go up against a C5.

Another thing too... Think of what kind of people usually buy BMW 540s? Perhaps you went up against someone that was just having a little fun driving like Mario Andretti... and when it was time to race someone, he or she backed off... NOT know what his or her 540i was really capable. Just like how I've beaten those Corvette C4s... everytime, they were old men... probably could've beaten me... but didn't have the ba11s.

 

Sorry, stock TLP dyno closer to 175-178HP. TLS stock with headers may pull 220's. Stock TLS will pull closer to 200 +/- a few HP.

 

BTW, when comptech installed SC on my TL. It only pulled about 200HP to the wheel. About the same as stock TLS.

 

Hayabusa is made by Suzuki. I would not dare confront a Hayabusa with ANY 4-wheeler unless it was jet powered!

The Hayabusa will make quick mincemeat out of you... does 0-60 in 2 seconds.

 

OMG!!!

 

AND 1/4 mile under 10 sec. flat!

 

The Type S is a sweet ar but beeting a 540i, come on now. The Horsepower might not be that impressive (282 hp) but the torque kills (324lb-ft). Why would you even try to race a 540i. I have beaten Camaros and come really close to beating corvettes. I do admit that the Type S is great and kicks the 540i ass in reliability and thats why I got one in february.

 

If the TLP really did pull near 200fwhp according to the other guy, that Acura must have underrated that engine...













...Which isn't so Thats like an 11% drivetrain lost. Acura MUST have some secret they aren't telling anyone else. If that same logic held true with the TL-S, it would be putting down 231fwhp :p

 

Of course speed is not the whole car. I addressed speed because that's what the subject of this on going post is about.

I would take the 540 too and sell it. Then I would buy a TL-S and invest the extra 30K.

 

WTF are you people arguing over???
So what if I took the BEST TLS numbers and the WORST 540
numbers. The point is, those are the number they posted.

Think about this real hard. Go to the drag strip.

Car A: Runs ETs ranging from 13.5-14.2 that night.
Car B: Runs ETs ranging from 14.1-14.8 that night.

If Car A ran it's worst at the same time Car B ran its best...
guess what... Car A just lost!!! Not too hard to figure out.
The only ones using magazine numbers are you idiots
screaming BS. Like I said earlier in the thread, anything
can happend in real life. I swear, every forum member is
turning into a troll.

 

Said best in post #2. Before the 'BS' trolls came crawling out.

 

: ) I'd do that too!!!!! LOL

Get it, sell it, buy something else less pricey and go on a vacation with the rest!!

 

My mistake, Suzuki it is. The Hayabusa is more than ridiculously fast, but when racing a 800hp Supra from 80-onward, it has a bit of a disadvantage, obviously.

 

So I'm a troll now?

Good point though about Car A and Car B. Reality is, sure it may happen but like I said 1 out of like 10 times. BTW, 540i Automatic SP runs 0-60 in 5.7 and 1/4 in 14.3 (since we're using best numbers )

 

What is the definition of a troll? Do you even know what is troll is? So everyone is a troll because they disagree with you. I have noticed that the word troll is used so liberally in this forums whenever someone has a different opinion than somebody else.

Based on your rationality, YOU are the troll in everyone elses eyes.

What the H#ll are you talking about. Car A never beat car B since car a and car b never raced. The 2 cars were tested by Different magazines at different times with different driving conditions. NOW what is so hard to understand that.

There is no way a tls can beat a 540.

Yeah you are right, anything can happen in real life like a crazy little boy racing a parked bimmer.

 

Just more info I pulled from my old collection.
Only the times from automatics are shown.
Manual 540i ran close to 14 flat and just about 100 mph on average.

CLS mt 1/01: 14.8@96.5
TLS mt 5/01: 14.7@97.6
TLS cd 7/01: 14.8@96
CLS rt 1/01: 15.0@95.2

540i mt 9/01: 14.6@95.1
540i mt 1/00: 14.4@95.6
540i cd 9/01: 14.3@97
540i cd 11/98: 14.7@98
540i cd 12/96: 14.9@97
540i rt 12/99: 14.3@97

If you still believe that it's impossible for a TLS to beat a 540...
then I have nothing else to say. If you want to keep insulting
calling bs and calling members liars, please keep proving my
point on being a troll.

 

Thank goodness

 

I feel the same way about closer closing his yap

 

If u are taking magazine times of a 540i vs a TL-S you really must be new to cars or something.

 

This thread has kinda gone down hill with the b.s., plus I believe everyone has gotten their 2 cents in with 4 pages in this thread, so I will lock it now.