mrsteve

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14.2 for I/H/E/Pulleys is pretty good.

type-s09

well my buddys CL 6 speed runs 13.3s so with the extra power and torque the i can definatly see 12's...i have drag radials..so cutting 1.8 60' will help..my auto cuts 2.1s now

JCharged

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12's will definately be great. even low 13's. I wanna do a the swap NOW!!!!

CL Platano

hmmm what happened to dude who opened his mouth without knowing anything.

CL Platano

youre gonna have wheel hop like crazy

Deflocks

Sorry guys i just jumped on this thread and im a total newbie (plz teach me things so i wont be a newbie for long ) what type of engine are you replacing your TL....j35? is that from a different frame? and would a RL engine fit in a TL frame?
thx for schooling guys!!

mrsteve

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What mods does he have? Timeslips?

Cutting a 1.8 60' time is going to be next to impossible. Too much weight and not enough torque down low combined with traction problems. Getting low 60's with a 6-speed is even harder because the clutch does not like to be launched hard. You need to feather it out. I believe on 16" slicks 1 6-speed car cut a 1.9 60' but he only did it once and he broke his pressure plate in the process of doing it.

As you could see from the slips I was routinely running 2.0 and 2.1 60' times. Using all season tires and stock rims.

mrsteve

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Maybe not. I never had wheel hop once you figure out how to launch. And I was pushing 300whp.

etxxz

lotta rice on this thread...why dont we get back to MDX internals and a 3.5 j32 stroker

drag is for loosers go drifting!

mrsteve

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Drifting in a FWD Acura... uh huh... cool!

mrsteve

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Also, it's not only MDX internals and the MDX internals are more expensive than the Odessy internals which are identical

94b16coupe

WTF are you talking about, i know a bit about drag racing and having cars with alot of power and to realise just because you have more power than a previous setup, that you will more than a 2 seconds faster.

For an example.......

My 94 civic Ex with the same tires, suspension and all.......
Stock B16 with 153whp/114ftlbs tq ran 14.1@96mph
Same motor with turbo with 287whp/167ft/lbs tq ran 13.0@110
NA Built B20/vtec with 207whp/154ft/lbs tq ran 13.7@105

ALL these times posted similar 60 ft times ~2.0 on street tires.

As you can see, even with 100whp more, i was only able to run a 2nd faster on the track. With 50 more all motor HP i could only break .3 seconds faster.

Of course the two higher HP setups i would have benifited more from drag radials or slicks.

Im not saying this guy wont run this or anything, and props to the CLs that have run low 13s, but keep in mind these were with bolts ons and drag radials, last time i checked, a stock CL-s doesnt come with drag radials.


ALsssso.......Im not familiar with the drivetrain on the 6MT, how will the axels and trans hold up on slicks with all this power?

Another guy asked this question as well, how will you be tuning the car?
The only way i know of would be a VAFC hack but thats terrible for tunning.

mrsteve

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You may have experience with a Civic but from what you're saying you aren't showing much comprehension for this platform.

I have never run drag radials on my CL-S. I have never run summer-performance tires on my CL-S. Always all-season 17" tires on stock rims. And I consistently was capable of low 13s.

An automatic CL-S with a 3.5L stroked motor also ran low 13s on street tires (not drag radials).

The 6MT drivetrain will hold up just fine as long as you aren't dropping the clutch.

No tuning is required with the 3.5L stroked motor. The factory ECU handles the increase in displacement just fine.

There are multiple tuning tools available for these cars however time and time again it has been proven that on a N/A set-up tuning is not required and even when the car is tuned (fuel trim, timing advance) the gains are not worth the cost of admission.

fsttyms1

I think you need to read Page 2 better. Some of the CL guys are running those times on all season tires. mrsteve in particular.

E-manage can be used as well (granted no matter what you use your limited in the tunning, but it can be tuned)

mrsteve

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E-Manage can not advance timing on the J-Series and thus is useless on a N/A set-up.

The UniChip has that capability although the device also has it's flaws.

mrsteve

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I've got plans in the works so those low 13s may eventually seem "slow"

94b16coupe

You are right, i do not know much about what this platform is capable, i am just transfering the knowledge i do have with the civic. They are both FWDs and there are some things that arent going to change with putting lots of power down in a FWD platform.....Traction.....and Breakin shit(i.e. Drivetrain)


Props man, Your times are deff a testimate against my argument. If i had to guess though, i would say there arent many out there running the same times.

This is what gets me, with increased air flow and gas that you will add with increasing the size of the engine and with boltons, i am finding it hard to beleive the ECU will provide adequate A/F ratio.


Tuning Fuel and timing will also add to the longevity of the motor, even though you may not see much power.


Like you said though, i have no experience racing, modifiying, or tuning these motors or cars, so my comments could, like you said, be VOID.
But i do know the basics on tuning and how FWD cars react to Power

swift22

the difference between these motors and a civics...

comes after the 1/8th plain and simple. I have seen it over and over again.

94b16coupe

and hows that?

mrsteve

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The the ECU and engine will compensate for the additional airflow with additional fuel.

We've been doing this for 5+years now

94b16coupe

Ok, so the Stock ECU has what to go by for a measuring A/F ratio? a couple of Narrow band o2 sensors? Not saying this wont get the job done, but does it really provide ideal a/f ratio?

Thats awsome that you've been doing this for 5 years now with these cars, im sure i can learn alot from this forum, not that i would ever try to do anything to my TL being its my DD and all

DUECE_DXJ

I just thought about this...when I do the swap will have to make any major changes to my supercharger b/c I know the 6 speed kit is a little different from the auto kit?

fsttyms1

make an intake extension to span about 6 inches that the auto would have had from the VSA being present, and Adjust the voltage clamp as well. Automatic kits are set at 2.84v; 6-speed kits are set at 2.93v. You'll need a Voltmeter or a Multimeter and a small screw driver to make the adjustment. Without this adjustment your car will see boost and will pull timing thus losing a TON of power.

(info thanks to mrsteve)

DUECE_DXJ

what would I use for a extension? The esm is how you adjust the volts?does anybody know anybody in the va/dc/md area that could do the whole swap and make the adjustments to my supercharger?

fsttyms1

3 inch pipe. Ask mrsteve on how to do it.

mrsteve

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I could make the adjustments to the supercharger but no way in hell I'm dealing with a swap

DUECE_DXJ

LOL...Thanks man.I'll keep looking

CL Platano

Too bad you aren't in Jersey..

etxxz

its the 5th time i hear that since i got my car dyno'd...tuner said my car was pulling timing becuase my Air temp sensor was reading 140-155*F...what does that mean?! my last run made 154whp after a 190smtn pull. (vafc tunning)

type-s09

Ive seen it over and over again too....even tho the B series are very efficient..the power and torque curves are much better on the J series...top hp doesnt really mean that much if its a sharp curve

vzuptnguyen

whoever does this tranny swap. please do a complete diy pleeease. i figure by the time my tranny is shitty enough. ill be needing this info to do it myself.

goodluck type so9

people i know who've done 6 speed/ engine swap

austin (sickest TL EVER)
fattyms1

heres the list that will

inspire TL
vzuptnguyen
adamlee
typeso9
cl platano

adamlee05

csmeance

i don't know how much this may help you guys out, but here is a thread by lookinco who did a successful swap on a 3G TL.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...9&page=1&pp=25

CL Platano

I aint even trying to do DIY on the swap and plus I'm just dropping it off at the shop and have him do it. He's doing another 6spd swap on a 03 TL-S right now, so there will be 2 in Jersey and soon 3 There will also be a 3.5L 6spd swap going on a AV6 Accord during the month and its boosted. When mine goes in I'll go take pics here and there but to write things up..NO WAY

fsttyms1

Honestly guys, this isnt something that you really do "DIY" on like changing the oil.... I have 2 threads on it and talked about it alot in 1 of them, showed you pictures of what was done, along with joe doing something similar. We cant tell you every step, and if we have to, Honestly this isnt something you can do. There is some element of things will be slightly different for every one. We showed you it can be done, and the main steps involved. We have the list of parts for you as well


AND Please people stop whoring up threads with questions about the 6speed swap questions. Find my original thread to ask about questions there

vzuptnguyen

i thought your thread was closed though.

i wonder how you go about asking a mechanic to swap this for you and all he has to do? do you think they would know off the bat what is needed and such? or do we have to basically show him fstym1's thread?

fsttyms1

No, i have 2 of them, 1 to show parts and what was done, one to talk about it. If you pay someone to do this look at spending atleast 10k. and no, they wouldnt know whats needed unless they have done them a few times