pianoman41

I believe when Acura was going to release the update originally in September 2002, there were only like six or eight major metropolitan areas that were added, and I remember reading that Albany, NY was going to be one of them (something in SC and GA too IIRC). Then I think what happened is they pushed off the release until they could get all the roads in there (albeit unverified for the most part) and they just incorporated the already-verified six/eight areas into the database. But it's great to know there was *some* verified areas added.

Steph-TLS

Smelly,

Where is Ashburn? I'm curious about the rest of VA. I'm in VA Beach and I think the coverage is excellent down here (verified and unverified roads have been added). I haven't found too much to complain about yet.

pej7445

Can someone tell me if south GA (Albany, Valdosta, Waycross, Brunswick, etc.) and north FL (Panhandle, Tallahassee, Ocala, Gainesville, etc.) are any better on the new DVD?

Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!

fasTLane

Happy Holidays!
All the places you mention have complete coverage on the latest release. You need a truly podunk town to test this disk. Go for it!

goodbadmas

can anyone tell me if this new disc have the village of "Penn Yan" in Upstate New York ?

This will help me with making a decision of buying this disc or not !

Thanks,
Goodbadmas

fasTLane

Penn Yan is covered in the latest release.

Smelly

Ashburn is in Loudoun County, which is about 30 miles west of DC, near Dulles Airport. This county has been growing pretty rapidly, and the previous version did not have many of the smaller roads. The new version has just about every road around here (mostly verified). If you go another 10 miles west, the majority of the smaller roads are unverified. But like I said earlier, just about every road is on here either verified or unverified.

I was in the Richmond area this past weekend, and the coverage was great all around that area.

goodbadmas

is Penn Yan covered in details ? cos it was not in last update ..

thanks

fasTLane

I am seeing a lot of streets. Not just the major highways. If you have a lesser road that you want a check for, I can do it.

ScotTLTypeS

No, most of the roads in NVA are verified. If you go west out past Ashburn, you begin to run into some unverified roads (see smelly's coments above), but I was just in Leesburg and it looked like almost all of the roads around the area were verified...

John Paxton

I kinda doubted that its covered.......

But can anyone check to see if Marion, Iowa is covered at all?
There is only the main roads in the version that I have now.

If you could try this address....

1080 9th Ave
Marion, IA
52302.

I appreciate any help!

fasTLane

They show 9th ave running from 2nd street to 22nd street. Your address is on there.

John Paxton

Great!

Thanks! Now all I have to do is come up with the $$$!

When will the multi-layer burner be out?

fasTLane

If you can afford the car and a state-of-the-art dvd burner you can afford the software.

PaulM9999

It sounds like a ton of the updates come under the label of "unverified roads". Aside from all of the disclaimers, is the funcationality on unverified roads the same? Does it know the street name and location of a specific address on the street?

pianoman41

Functionality is almost exactly the same. It knows the street names and will display them at the bottom of the screen when you are on one. It will also give correct driving directions using the unverified roads (provided you turn the Unverified Routing option "on" in the setup menu). The only four differences I see are:

1) Whenever you start a trip that uses even one unverified road, you get the warning about the questionable accuracy of the data (see my long post above).

2) Whenever you leave a verified road and turn onto an unverified road you get another quick warning saying you've entered an unverified area (again, see my post above for more info).

3) For every driving action on unverified roads, the voice ends the command with "if possible" (on the off chance that the road doesn't really exist or is in a different location than expected).

4) When you reach your final destination, it may or may not tell you which side of the road it is on. More likely than not the voice will simply say "Destination ahead."

In my experimenting so far I have found the unverified road data to be *very* accurate and have had no surprises or problems with driving directions. I think all the warnings are kind of annoying but at least the data appears accurate. Realistically, I would bet the data is *very* accurate because it is supplied by NavTech and they have had this data available to other companies for quite some time. I suspect because American Honda/Acura didn't physically verify the data themselves (and just took NavTech's word for it), they came up with the unverified data clause to save themselves from lawsuits in case something is wrong.

galfert

I'm sure that the "if possible" message also is because the road might be a one way and it may be trying to send you down the wrong way so it is up to you to determine that you cant make that turn and you need to go around the block.

PaulM9999

So even if my area isn't listed on Alpine's site as being added for coverage, is it likely that my town is covered in detail as an "unverified" region? Mapquest, Yahoo, etc. all have good detail in my area; if the new disk works off a similar database, but Acura hasn't verified everything, then I may be in ok shape, right?

pianoman41

Just tell us where you are and one of us can look and see what's covered.

adakopou

I have a question for all of you. Since this is just a DVD, can the nav DVD be burned by a DVD burner so that I can make multiple copies??

Just some food for thought!!!


02 TL TypeS Silver
Navi + rear wing spoiler

galfert

The new DVD is dual layer and there isn't a dual layer DVD burner on the market. So the answer is No right now. Wait till about 2nd quarter next year for new DVD burners capable of burning dual layer DVDs.

The old DVD is single layer and can be copied with current DVD burners.

adakopou

thanks... I'll wait..

mbearl

This was off of the Acura Site:

Sales of the new upgrade disc (2.11b for the 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 models, except the 2003 MDX) have been suspended to correct compatibility with previous versions of the software. Your continued satisfaction is very important to us, and we appreciate your patience while we resolve this problem. If you received an announcement of the new upgrade 2.11b, please disregard that notice.

Starting December 9th, we will take orders on-line for the new upgrade disc 2.11c, which will ship in late January. To place your order by phone, call 1-888-291-4675 between 7 a.m. and 11 p.m. Central Standard Time, and select option 1.

Thank you for understanding and allowing us to deliver the highest quality product to you.

UPDATE: Same thing for my Odyssey; except that it says the 2003 Accord instead of MDX.

nick79

u just spoke the the acura dvd people and they said that there is a problem with the current flash upgrade on the dvd reguarding previous entries and storing informaion. The people who already obtained the DVD will receieve a free dvd patch disk which they can put in and it will update the current flash version. Once the patch disk upgrades this, we can continue to use the current dvd we had ordered with no problems.

CJITTY

So these fools didn't even do a trial period, or is this the beta test and using us as the guinea pigs. I'm glad I waited. I can't believe they can't get their $hit together and send a quality product once they worked out the bugs.

galfert

That sounds to me like the people with 2.11b will get a free patch disk and then be required to put back the 2.11b as their working version. And any new orders will get 2.11c and that will be these new peoples working version. Sounds like they are gyping the 2.11b people. I bet some folks are going to be pissed if there are other database difference between 2.11b and 2.11c.

I waited and I didn't buy 2.11b. I'm almost kicking myself for not getting it because now I have to wait till late January. But I will end up with a newer version although it might not make a difference in the long run, or maybe it will.

galfert

I just recieved the flyer in the mail today. Oh well.

galfert

I called the order number and they said that they also stopped sending out the flyer. Here it is for those that didn't get it.

galfert

Back side

galfert

old database close up

galfert

New Database close up

galfert

Back close up 1

galfert

Back close up 2

Onerastaman

I hope that they make adjustment to the color of the unverified roads....as you can't see them now....I can't imagine what iot would be like on a sunny day with the sunroof open!

fasTLane

I wonder if they know about this? Who do you call?

nick79

i called the # at acuranavi.com, the C version of the DVD will have NO NEW DATA!!!!. it only has the correctly flash version. the people who got 2.11b should ve very happy because the C has no changes except that it has the patch already on it.

kiwi2

I also called the number (turns out I called the Honda number, Acura number for Nav is 888-549 3798). They said shipments for 2.11b stopped before Thanksgiving. The problem relates to accessing the history (of previous addresses), all addresses under User 2 (has anyone tried this?) and some addresses stored under User 1. These would be fixed by the patch disc, which will ship late January arriving early February.

I asked whether the patch would allow recovery of these for-now inaccessible addresses, or whether they would be lost for good - they did not know. It was not clear whether this problem affects only grandfathered addresses or also newly entered addresses. Someone with the latest version might like to try...

Different from Alpine, Acura (800-382 2238) said that a complete new-version replacement DVD would be sent out to 2.11b owners, not a patch DVD, to avoid hassle. They also did not know whether pre-2.11 addresses would be lost forever with the 2.11b disc. He said that they were still learning about the problems, and do not yet know all the details. Asking the service rep what he would do, he replied that with not everything yet known he would personally not install the 2.11b (b for Beta I figure).

I have a 2.11b in shipment. I guess as I have to wait two months I would prefer to just have the 2.11c instead and no second patch disc too. Either way 2.11b owners have to be sent one disc or another at about the same time, why not just the new 2.11c. The old is somewhat devalued now anyway (if black marketing is the Acura/Alpine concern) and it discriminates unnescessarily against early adoptees. I understand once 2.11b is installed, there's no going back to the previous version, so it may not be feasible to return 2.11b even if want to.

And of course, this would also be an 'opportunity' to remove some or all of the distinctions between verified and non-verified to make it a product more seemless and fluid in its use. The new distinctions make the product seem unpolished, not refined. The lower confidence level concerning the 'unverified' roading can be expressed in the splash start-up screen - which would be legally sufficient. While still allowing selection of verified-only or all roading on the menus, the directions and illustrations should otherwise be indistinguisable (or at the very least a darker color for the unverified roads).

kiwi2

re flyer images above, anyone know what the Enhanced Mapping Features and Improved System Performance there are on 2.11? I heard that functionally it is the same as the previous version, if anything slightly slower. Maybe Enhanced Mapping Features relates simply to the increased street/POI data, not necessarily the way the navigation system works with them. Anyone noticed anything much different (besides voice tone and the additional data)?

fasTLane

I have experienced this 'enhanced' feature with 2.11b...
Turn instructions which are not given early enough to react on.
This has happened a few times and needs to be addressed.

ScotTLTypeS

Here's the response I got from Alpine to my e-mail request for information about what would be done:


" Sales of the new upgrade disc (2.11b) have been suspended to correct compatibility with previous versions of the software. Your continued satisfaction is very important to us, and we appreciate your patience while we resolve this problem.

We anticipate the new upgraded disc will ship around the end of January. Since you were shipped the 2.11B there is no additional sign up or action needed on your part to receive the January DVD.

Thank you for understanding and allowing us to deliver the highest quality product to you. "



This implies that those of us that got the 2.11B disk will automatically be sent the 2.11C disk when it ships...