AC

I have a 2000 TL and it has ULEV. Now I understand that California cars all have them, but I live in VA and I got a ULEV. I thought I read in some mag that except CA all other states were suppose to get LEV. How true is this, cuz technically ULEV should be a tad bit slower than the LEV, right?

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2000 TL non NAVI
Factory body kit
Factory spoiler
Burlwood knob
35% mirror tint
Inspire Steering Wheel
Gutter Grille
AEM CAI
Tenzo 700X fog lights
Custom Mesh Bumper
Inspire Tail Lights
Comptech Headers, Sways, Springs and 18' DAZZ MATIZ on the way - Thank You Mr. Snook!!!!
CLK55 AMG Next Baby!

FTM-1

Thats a good question AC I thought all 2000TL
models were ULEV rated vehicles.Now that I read the specs they say LEV&ULEV so I don't know.I have ULEV under my hood & live here also in Washington DC. & got the car in Maryland so thats a question for evrybody whats stamped under the hood ULEV or LEV if it exist.

Guest

If yor engine is marked ULEV, you have the CA emmission control system. There is no extra charge for this.

I know that MA is phasing in (or thinking about phasing in) CA type emmission laws. So I got a ULEV. My sticker says "CA Emmission Control System - N/C".

Not sure what the real difference is between LEV and ULEV.

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2001 TL wo Nav
Laguna green

AC

Theoretically, shouldn't the ULEV be a tad bit slower than the LEV since it is suppressed more? If so, that sucks cuz I don't even live in CA and got a CA emissions car.

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2000 TL non NAVI
Factory body kit
Factory spoiler
Burlwood knob
35% mirror tint
Inspire Steering Wheel
Gutter Grille
AEM CAI
Tenzo 700X fog lights
Custom Mesh Bumper
Inspire Tail Lights
Comptech Springs,
Comptech Headers, Sways, 18' DAZZ MATIZ on the way - Thank You Mr. Snook!!!!
CLK55 AMG Next Baby!

ZodiakTL

the tl comes as ULEV and its as fast as it is... it just doesnt come with a different engine... now cl-s only comes as LEV meaning that stock it wouldnt pass inspection in CA and would have to be moded and made slower =)

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Alpine MRV-1002 amp / Dual 10" JL Audio W-3 sub powered by Alpine MRV-1005 amp / Two Alpine CHA-1214 CD Changers
Pics of my TL

Guest

I did some reasearch on the web and I found some interesting info on Honda ULEV engines. Basically the major difference between LEV and ULEV is a fast warm up catalytic converter and some software changes to the air fuel mixture, mainly during cold start. The processing power of the engine computer, a 32-bit RISC processor, allows for real fast calculations based on sensor inputs and catalytic converter temperature.

So, IMHO, after the engine has warmed up there should be no difference between the LEV and ULEV engine horsepower. Of course the exact details are probably a Honda design secret.

Honda also has a SULEV (super ultra low emmission vehicle) engine in the 4-cylinder Accord. This will just need a VTEC engine and a 2 stage catalytic converter. Calif. will start using the SULEV standard in the 2004 model year.


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2001 TL wo Nav
Laguna green

Gomez

I have LEV here in Texas on my '01.

An interesting sidebar is that ULEV cars when operated in some areas of high pollution, such as Los Angeles, actually produce exhaust that is cleaner than the air. That is to say, driving the car makes the air cleaner. Wow!

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'01 pearlescent white
-Wing, tint, cop-finder
'88 White RX-7 Convertible
-Permanent tinitus courtesy of Rockford-Fosgate

AC

Help everyone!

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2000 TL non NAVI
Factory body kit
Factory spoiler
Burlwood knob
35% mirror tint
Inspire Steering Wheel
Gutter Grille
AEM CAI
Tenzo 700X fog lights
Custom Mesh Bumper
Inspire Tail Lights
Comptech Springs,
Comptech Headers, Sways, 18' DAZZ MATIZ on the way - Thank You Mr. Snook!!!!
CLK55 AMG Next Baby!

SLVR TL

I drive in the LA traffic every single day...and it doesn't feel like I'm making the air any better.

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Y2K silver TL, non-navi
Factory style full body kit + spoiler, 38% window tint

TommyAmrani

what's the difference?

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99'TL SatinSilverMetalic
Comtech springs
Side markers
gutter guard grille including bottom three slots too
Ractive air filter
3" Tips
Mirror tint
Factory Spoiler
Moonroof visor
Burlwood shift knob inspire tail lights some cool looking pedals

VERY soon to come:
WW Kit, Hyper White Lights (brights, rear and front signals as well)

Guest

Not exactly...... My CL-S would pass the state inspection in CA quite easily. I ran my car through the gas analyzer (I'm a licensed NYS motor vehicle inspector) just to see the emissions results, even though NY wouldn't require me to pass this type of inspection until 2003. The results of my LEV (low emissions vehicle) were incredibly low. They barely registered on the analyzer.

By the way, a California-emission equipped car is different than an LEV or ULEV. Basically, any car labeled LEV or ULEV should easily surpass any state inspection limits, even the tough standards of California


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'01 CL Type-S Navi
'99 M3

Guest

Not really. The key to a Ultra Low Emission Vehicle is the "cold start-up". Typically, cars labeled as ULEV have slightly different emissions systems that "warm up" faster than non-ULEV's. Preheated catalytic converters and feedback systems help speed up the "inefficient" first few minutes of a cold start-up. The quicker the PCM can get into closed-loop, the better for emissions. Once a car is fully warmed up and running in closed-loop, a ULEV shouldn't have any power disadvantage compared with an LEV.



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'01 CL Type-S Navi
'99 M3

Guest

Yeah, this is absolutely true. Amazing, isn't it?

A couple of years ago, I remember reading about a company that was putting a special "coating" onto automotive radiators. The coating was proven to clean the air as it passed thru the radiator, thus turning the entire radiator into an air cleaner!

The company claimed that there were no negative effects at all to their radiator "treatment". The radiators were supposed to have the same exactly cooling capacity and everything. But they did say it would cost about $300 per car. Anybody remember this or know what happened? Kinda died out, I guess........



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'01 CL Type-S Navi
'99 M3

[VTEC]TL

Where is ULEV or LEV stamped under the hood???

I cant find where.

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2000 TL Satin Silver
-Acura Wing
-Top Speed intake w/Ractive Heatshield Filter
-Ractive Carbon Fiber Shift knob
-Custom "Sleepy Eye" Headlight Finishers
-Pilot MS 3.5" resonated exhaust tips
-Carbon/aluminum pedals
-Type S Badge
-Passport 7500 Radar system
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Tint's, PIAA fogs, and Skunk2 or RS-R coilovers soon

LagunaTL

even LEV will pass california's smog test. not every car sold in california is ULEV.

the ULEV is marked in green letters on the cheap plastic engine cover.

[VTEC]TL

You mean the part that says 3.2 TL?? And the black plastic shell that covers the top of the engine??? Mine has no green lettering at all. Guess that means i have an LEV.

Allan

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2000 TL Satin Silver
-Acura Wing
-Top Speed intake w/Ractive Heatshield Filter
-Ractive Carbon Fiber Shift knob
-Custom "Sleepy Eye" Headlight Finishers
-Pilot MS 3.5" resonated exhaust tips
-Carbon/aluminum pedals
-Type S Badge
-Passport 7500 Radar system
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Tint's, PIAA fogs, and Skunk2 or RS-R coilovers soon

TLinBama

The clean-air radiator has not disappeared, it is on Saabs (I think). I remember reading an ad for a car which stated that the car had the coating on the radiator. I majored in this crap (Chemical Engineering with a focus on fuels and combustion) and I can't remember anything.

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John

2000 TL WDP Nav

bombs

Air cleaning radiator was by Volvo
Safe Car and Safe for Environment
Or so the marketing went

AC

Hello!!!! We're like totally off subject here(kinda) . I'm still wondering if my ULEV engine is more suppressing than the LEV and why the hell I got a California emission engine here in VA.

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2000 TL non NAVI
Factory body kit
Factory spoiler
Burlwood knob
35% mirror tint
Inspire Steering Wheel
Gutter Grille
AEM CAI
Tenzo 700X fog lights
Custom Mesh Bumper
Inspire Tail Lights
Comptech Springs,
Comptech Headers, Sways, 18' DAZZ MATIZ on the way - Thank You Mr. Snook!!!!
CLK55 AMG Next Baby!

yu888

I think Acura is shipping the newer cars with the new system which warms up the Cat faster and thus the newer cars seem to all be ULEV. Since it makes no difference in actual performance, shouldn't this be a good thing?

Actually, what you got is a 50-state legal emmisions system =).

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1999 Satin Silver TL
H&R Springs
Inspire Tailights-Thanks Tim!
20/30/40 tint

2000 Honda S2000
- no mods ...yet!

Sherlock

Even if it was a big difference, in the Accords the diff between LEV and ULEV was only 5HP less and that was on the 4cyl. The accord is now standard ULEV and avail SULEV.
What the standards mean:
Baseline = current non-mod'd emmissions.
TLEV = Transitional LEV 20% cleaner than baseline (MB's and other engines only make it this far)
LEV = Low Emission Vehicle = 50% cleaner than base.
ULEV = Ultra Low = 65% cleaner if I recall.
SULEV = Super Ultra = 90% cleaner than base.

And for if "this" car meets california standards.. remember that these standards are in the future.. "meets CA standards for 2003 or 2008".. I believe ULEV is thru 2007 or 8.. an we're already at LEV and ULEV standard, SU optional.. go Honda.

Then again.. Honda WAS the first auto to meet emissions in the 70's WITHOUT the catalytic converter..

Honda... "we don't make it simple anymore"

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Had 1989 Black CRX Si (Cracker)
Have 1998 Black Currant Accord EX4 Coupe (Watson)
Have 2000 Laguna/Fern TL (Sherlock)

AC

OK, that's relieving to know that I didn't lose power due to the ULEV engine. I could care less about 50% or 65% cleaner air cuz will that 15% really make a difference? I just want performance!!!!!!!!

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2000 TL non NAVI
Factory body kit
Factory spoiler
Burlwood knob
35% mirror tint
Inspire Steering Wheel
Gutter Grille
AEM CAI
Tenzo 700X fog lights
Custom Mesh Bumper
Inspire Tail Lights
Comptech Springs,
Comptech Headers, Sways, 18' DAZZ MATIZ on the way - Thank You Mr. Snook!!!!
CLK55 AMG Next Baby!

Sherlock

I would like to think it's responsible to have 15% more and more each year. Atlanta is now the #1 for pollution in the country, we finally won the award off of California. And when my lungs BURN just for driving to work and trying to walk outside.. every 15% is important. When our efficient Honda could just about RUN off of some of these redneck pollutin trucks fumes down here. When I'm sick and suffering for all of summer smog season, I'd rather have ULEV than 5 more horsepower.

I like my lungs.. I kinda need them on a daily basis.

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Had 1989 Black CRX Si (Cracker)
Have 1998 Black Currant Accord EX4 Coupe (Watson)
Have 2000 Laguna/Fern TL (Sherlock)

black2000

It's in a Volvo, the S80 I think (?). If I remember correctly, the coating on the radiator ionizes the air passing through it. The ionization converts ozone back into oxygen, sparing us all some of that nasty ground-level ozone that makes some of us wheeze and cough, and eventually contributes to overall atmospheric warming.

A very cool (no pun intended) feature that creates a benefit at a relatively low cost.

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David

Black-on-Black non-NAV 2000