I35 "the most power engine in it's class"
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I35 "the most power engine in it's class"
Am I missing something, or are the ads for the I35 completely misleading? I don't get how it can say it has the most powerful engine in it's class, when it has 5hp less than the TL-S.
The fine print in the ad says compared to 2001 import models, but isn't the I35 a 2002 model?
The fine print in the ad says compared to 2001 import models, but isn't the I35 a 2002 model?
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2 thoughts:
1) My bet is that Nissan means standard engines, The TL is the base model, the "S" am optional model.
2) Power can never be measured as torque, as power has a work factor implied in its definition, and work is energy applied over a distance travelled, whereas torque is a static measurement.
1) My bet is that Nissan means standard engines, The TL is the base model, the "S" am optional model.
2) Power can never be measured as torque, as power has a work factor implied in its definition, and work is energy applied over a distance travelled, whereas torque is a static measurement.
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Re: I35 "the most power engine in it's class"
Originally posted by chris_w
Am I missing something, or are the ads for the I35 completely misleading? I don't get how it can say it has the most powerful engine in it's class, when it has 5hp less than the TL-S.
The fine print in the ad says compared to 2001 import models, but isn't the I35 a 2002 model?
Am I missing something, or are the ads for the I35 completely misleading? I don't get how it can say it has the most powerful engine in it's class, when it has 5hp less than the TL-S.
The fine print in the ad says compared to 2001 import models, but isn't the I35 a 2002 model?
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Some auto reviewer wrote a feature article for the Sacramento Bee this past week, pitting the I35 with the TLS, both with NAVI. Although it was not very in-depth or even very good reading (how can you not include performance statistics in an article about supposed performance cars), he saw no clear winner between the two cars, except that, comparably equipped, the I35 was more expensive, at 35,000 OTD. The only thing he didn't like about the TLS was its criptic name.
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Originally posted by Road Rage
1) My bet is that Nissan means standard engines, The TL is the base model, the "S" am optional model.
1) My bet is that Nissan means standard engines, The TL is the base model, the "S" am optional model.
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I think Nissan is really splitting hairs. If the "S" were an option package on the standard TL than what they are claiming is 100% true. Since Acura sells, prices, and markets the TL-S as a seperate model, IMHO Nissan is reaching a bit with their marketing. If you read the fine print in their ads it does state "based on standard engines".
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Originally posted by BarryH
I think Nissan is really splitting hairs. If the "S" were an option package on the standard TL than what they are claiming is 100% true. Since Acura sells, prices, and markets the TL-S as a seperate model, IMHO Nissan is reaching a bit with their marketing. If you read the fine print in their ads it does state "based on standard engines".
I think Nissan is really splitting hairs. If the "S" were an option package on the standard TL than what they are claiming is 100% true. Since Acura sells, prices, and markets the TL-S as a seperate model, IMHO Nissan is reaching a bit with their marketing. If you read the fine print in their ads it does state "based on standard engines".
either way they define it, whatever 'class' the i35 is in, the tl-s is in also, even if it is an optional trim...IT'S STILL IN THAT CLASS.
but of all the i35 ads i've seen, i only saw this once awhile back, so they may have pulled it but there's still some old ones floating around.
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Apparently Nissan marketing types believe the Maxima is in the same class as the TL-S. And since the Maxima and the I35 aren't in the same class (even though it's the same car), then the TL-S and I35 can't be in the same class. When giving horsepower comparisons in the 2002 Maxima brochure (holding it in my hands right now), they list for competitors:
Nissan Maxima - 255 hp
Toyota Avalon - 210 hp
Audi A4 3.0 - 220 hp
Acura TL 3.2 - 225 hp
Notice they don't use the Type-S for comparisons. After all this is *their* brochure--of course they want to make their car on top.
I don't pay much attention to marketing ploys. It's real simple for me. See a car I like, drive it. Like the drive, buy it. You can throw numbers around all day long. As long as the $$$ number fits my wallet I'm sold.
Nissan Maxima - 255 hp
Toyota Avalon - 210 hp
Audi A4 3.0 - 220 hp
Acura TL 3.2 - 225 hp
Notice they don't use the Type-S for comparisons. After all this is *their* brochure--of course they want to make their car on top.
I don't pay much attention to marketing ploys. It's real simple for me. See a car I like, drive it. Like the drive, buy it. You can throw numbers around all day long. As long as the $$$ number fits my wallet I'm sold.
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Make no mistake about it ...the VQV6 is one of the best V6's out there. However the TLS's V6 will give you a lot more low-end acceleration ... the difference is not subtle (I've been driving an I35 for the past 2 weeks). Very nice interior though.
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i own an tl-s.
sadly to say the i35 3.5 v6 is a superior engine compared to our 3.2 v6
bottom line, we got no torque!!!!!
doesnt really matter how they advertise against the regular TL,,,,,
engine to engine,,we are behind
whats up with our sohc engines???? why cant we have a dohc???
sadly to say the i35 3.5 v6 is a superior engine compared to our 3.2 v6
bottom line, we got no torque!!!!!
doesnt really matter how they advertise against the regular TL,,,,,
engine to engine,,we are behind
whats up with our sohc engines???? why cant we have a dohc???
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I tested an I35 back in December. Although the I35 felt quicker than a 01 Maxima SE with A/T (01 has less ponies), its engine
didn't feel as responsive as the Type-S at higher RPMs. Several magazine such as Car & Driver, Motor Trend and Autoweek have posted sub-15 seconds quarter mile time for the Type-S and none so far for the I35. At least Infinti is not using rocks and trees to market the new I35 like they did for the Q45 back in the early 90s
didn't feel as responsive as the Type-S at higher RPMs. Several magazine such as Car & Driver, Motor Trend and Autoweek have posted sub-15 seconds quarter mile time for the Type-S and none so far for the I35. At least Infinti is not using rocks and trees to market the new I35 like they did for the Q45 back in the early 90s
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Originally posted by paultl
whats up with our sohc engines???? why cant we have a dohc???
whats up with our sohc engines???? why cant we have a dohc???
I'd rather skip DOHC V6's altogether in favor of solenoid-activated (camless) valves.
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Originally posted by daverman
Because it's expensive. Remember that a DOHC V6 will have FOUR cams, one for each bank of the "vee".
I'd rather skip DOHC V6's altogether in favor of solenoid-activated (camless) valves.
Because it's expensive. Remember that a DOHC V6 will have FOUR cams, one for each bank of the "vee".
I'd rather skip DOHC V6's altogether in favor of solenoid-activated (camless) valves.
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Originally posted by daverman
I'd rather skip DOHC V6's altogether in favor of solenoid-activated (camless) valves.
I'd rather skip DOHC V6's altogether in favor of solenoid-activated (camless) valves.
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that's right!!
DOHC design is costy...and in some point they are not as efficient as the SOHC design...
a decade ago many manufacturers towards DOHC design becaue it's more powerful than SOHC engines...but thank to VTEC and those valve controll things...now they are almost as gd as DOHC engines at high RPM and not to mention they have more torque at low end!!!
but now it doesn't reallie matter for both designs coz they are both very sophisicated...plenty of low end torque and power at peak...
remember the mercedes dropped their 4valve per cyliner DOHC engines to the 3 valves SOHC engines? it's more efficient and cost a lot less too
DOHC design is costy...and in some point they are not as efficient as the SOHC design...
a decade ago many manufacturers towards DOHC design becaue it's more powerful than SOHC engines...but thank to VTEC and those valve controll things...now they are almost as gd as DOHC engines at high RPM and not to mention they have more torque at low end!!!
but now it doesn't reallie matter for both designs coz they are both very sophisicated...plenty of low end torque and power at peak...
remember the mercedes dropped their 4valve per cyliner DOHC engines to the 3 valves SOHC engines? it's more efficient and cost a lot less too
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It all comes down to what you would rather have...The I35 is odd looking when i compare it to the TLS...I dont like the rear or the front...The interior is subtle...Navi is raw...But all in all, i would rather have a TLS...Shyne
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[i].....but of all the i35 ads i've seen, i only saw this once awhile back, so they may have pulled it but there's still some old ones floating around. [/B]
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Originally posted by RAdams
You cite DOHC being a cost issue (when it's really more of a packaging issue), then mention a fairly new, as-yet-untested in the mainstream market solenoid activated valves? I'd imagine that would be even more expensive.
You cite DOHC being a cost issue (when it's really more of a packaging issue), then mention a fairly new, as-yet-untested in the mainstream market solenoid activated valves? I'd imagine that would be even more expensive.
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I'd take solenoid activated valves any day. It's got fewer moving parts to break, you can put as many valves you want on each cylinder, and you can adjust the timing of every individual valve to your (computer's) heart's content.
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Originally posted by LarryLynx
Some auto reviewer wrote a feature article for the Sacramento Bee this past week, pitting the I35 with the TLS, both with NAVI. Although it was not very in-depth or even very good reading (how can you not include performance statistics in an article about supposed performance cars), he saw no clear winner between the two cars, except that, comparably equipped, the I35 was more expensive, at 35,000 OTD. The only thing he didn't like about the TLS was its criptic name.
Some auto reviewer wrote a feature article for the Sacramento Bee this past week, pitting the I35 with the TLS, both with NAVI. Although it was not very in-depth or even very good reading (how can you not include performance statistics in an article about supposed performance cars), he saw no clear winner between the two cars, except that, comparably equipped, the I35 was more expensive, at 35,000 OTD. The only thing he didn't like about the TLS was its criptic name.
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Originally posted by jbs221
So, TL-S is cryptic, then what's I35, it just rolls off the tounge!?
So, TL-S is cryptic, then what's I35, it just rolls off the tounge!?
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dunno about EYE thirty FIVE tho.
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The ad's still playing...
I saw it on TV last night and thought the same thing. I just assumed they were comparing the I35 to the TL and they'll compare the G35 to the TL-S when it's available. Sneaky marketing, but for those not in the know (read: "most people"), unfortunately it's going to work.
The Nissan V6 is a heck of an engine, but I really think Infiniti made a big mistake mating it to a four-speed tranny. Put a five- or six-speed tranny in there, preferably manual but even sequential automatic, and the engine would have a better chance to shine.
The Nissan V6 is a heck of an engine, but I really think Infiniti made a big mistake mating it to a four-speed tranny. Put a five- or six-speed tranny in there, preferably manual but even sequential automatic, and the engine would have a better chance to shine.
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Re: The ad's still playing...
Originally posted by SCWells72
I saw it on TV last night and thought the same thing. I just assumed they were comparing the I35 to the TL and they'll compare the G35 to the TL-S when it's available. Sneaky marketing, but for those not in the know (read: "most people"), unfortunately it's going to work.
The Nissan V6 is a heck of an engine, but I really think Infiniti made a big mistake mating it to a four-speed tranny. Put a five- or six-speed tranny in there, preferably manual but even sequential automatic, and the engine would have a better chance to shine.
I saw it on TV last night and thought the same thing. I just assumed they were comparing the I35 to the TL and they'll compare the G35 to the TL-S when it's available. Sneaky marketing, but for those not in the know (read: "most people"), unfortunately it's going to work.
The Nissan V6 is a heck of an engine, but I really think Infiniti made a big mistake mating it to a four-speed tranny. Put a five- or six-speed tranny in there, preferably manual but even sequential automatic, and the engine would have a better chance to shine.
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Originally posted by perrymaxima
Maybe Nissan wants to save something for the next gen I35/Max. I'm glad they didn't rush a 5spd auto to the market before extensive studing. Nissan probably didn't want transmission problems to tarnish that VQ engine's shine.
Maybe Nissan wants to save something for the next gen I35/Max. I'm glad they didn't rush a 5spd auto to the market before extensive studing. Nissan probably didn't want transmission problems to tarnish that VQ engine's shine.
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Re: Re: Re: The ad's still playing...
Originally posted by SCWells72
But they're already doing so with the G35, right? I mean, it's going to have a sequential manumatic mated to the VQ as it is. Perhaps that wasn't quite baked when they decided to release the I35, but it's not like they hadn't done the R&D...
But they're already doing so with the G35, right? I mean, it's going to have a sequential manumatic mated to the VQ as it is. Perhaps that wasn't quite baked when they decided to release the I35, but it's not like they hadn't done the R&D...
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I know which setup I'd rather have if I lost the timing belt or needed a rebuild for some other reason.... Also I've been noticing Nissan advertises one horsepower reading but on the dyno we get another reading which is always lower. Hmmmm.
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I just wanted to point something out. That is our 3.2 litre engines are from 1999, and nissans larger 3.5 litre engine is new. Well it better be better than. Hondas, since its new. You watch, the new TL engine will be much better when it comes out in 2003, as Honda always leapfrogs over the competition with their new models, especially their engines, which is their forte.
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Originally posted by BLEXV6
I just wanted to point something out. That is our 3.2 litre engines are from 1999, and nissans larger 3.5 litre engine is new. Well it better be better than. Hondas, since its new. You watch, the new TL engine will be much better when it comes out in 2003, as Honda always leapfrogs over the competition with their new models, especially their engines, which is their forte.
I just wanted to point something out. That is our 3.2 litre engines are from 1999, and nissans larger 3.5 litre engine is new. Well it better be better than. Hondas, since its new. You watch, the new TL engine will be much better when it comes out in 2003, as Honda always leapfrogs over the competition with their new models, especially their engines, which is their forte.
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i own an tl-s.
sadly to say the i35 3.5 v6 is a superior engine compared to our 3.2 v6
bottom line, we got no torque!!!!!
doesnt really matter how they advertise against the regular TL,,,,,
engine to engine,,we are behind
whats up with our sohc engines???? why cant we have a dohc???
i own an tl-s.
sadly to say the i35 3.5 v6 is a superior engine compared to our 3.2 v6
bottom line, we got no torque!!!!!
doesnt really matter how they advertise against the regular TL,,,,,
engine to engine,,we are behind
whats up with our sohc engines???? why cant we have a dohc???
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Originally posted by city001
I35 is not same class as TL P......I35 is upgrade from I30.. it's more like in comparison with our TL S
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I35 is not same class as TL P......I35 is upgrade from I30.. it's more like in comparison with our TL S
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in fact, SOHC provides more torque at low end than DOHC engines but don't have high end...but VTEC helps it looks same to DOHC engines at high end...so that's y honda is using SOHC engines mostly...and it's saves more fuel too
perry, if nissan did extensive studying, they should have brought the 5spd auto a couple years ago...they are still using 4spd auto because they don't wnat to make it more expensive...do u know how much more expensive for a 5spd auto??? all due to the cost cutting...
in japan, most upper line Nissan cars are equipped with 5spd auto long ago and now some of the models even have CVT...
i belive 5spd will come in within a yr or 2, but upgrading yr by yr is just unimpressive to those previous version customers. like they did to the 3.5VQ just now and 5spd auto in the future...
RL is a 6 yr car already....back to 95 or 96...no reason to develop a 5spd to the slow seller and its aging design...otherwise they would upgrade to the 240hp and 5spd combo that in the MDX
wait few more months and u will see a new RL..
perry, if nissan did extensive studying, they should have brought the 5spd auto a couple years ago...they are still using 4spd auto because they don't wnat to make it more expensive...do u know how much more expensive for a 5spd auto??? all due to the cost cutting...
in japan, most upper line Nissan cars are equipped with 5spd auto long ago and now some of the models even have CVT...
i belive 5spd will come in within a yr or 2, but upgrading yr by yr is just unimpressive to those previous version customers. like they did to the 3.5VQ just now and 5spd auto in the future...
RL is a 6 yr car already....back to 95 or 96...no reason to develop a 5spd to the slow seller and its aging design...otherwise they would upgrade to the 240hp and 5spd combo that in the MDX
wait few more months and u will see a new RL..
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Originally posted by samkws
in fact, SOHC provides more torque at low end than DOHC engines but don't have high end...but VTEC helps it looks same to DOHC engines at high end...so that's y honda is using SOHC engines mostly...and it's saves more fuel too
perry, if nissan did extensive studying, they should have brought the 5spd auto a couple years ago...they are still using 4spd auto because they don't wnat to make it more expensive...do u know how much more expensive for a 5spd auto??? all due to the cost cutting...
in japan, most upper line Nissan cars are equipped with 5spd auto long ago and now some of the models even have CVT...
i belive 5spd will come in within a yr or 2, but upgrading yr by yr is just unimpressive to those previous version customers. like they did to the 3.5VQ just now and 5spd auto in the future...
RL is a 6 yr car already....back to 95 or 96...no reason to develop a 5spd to the slow seller and its aging design...otherwise they would upgrade to the 240hp and 5spd combo that in the MDX
wait few more months and u will see a new RL..
in fact, SOHC provides more torque at low end than DOHC engines but don't have high end...but VTEC helps it looks same to DOHC engines at high end...so that's y honda is using SOHC engines mostly...and it's saves more fuel too
perry, if nissan did extensive studying, they should have brought the 5spd auto a couple years ago...they are still using 4spd auto because they don't wnat to make it more expensive...do u know how much more expensive for a 5spd auto??? all due to the cost cutting...
in japan, most upper line Nissan cars are equipped with 5spd auto long ago and now some of the models even have CVT...
i belive 5spd will come in within a yr or 2, but upgrading yr by yr is just unimpressive to those previous version customers. like they did to the 3.5VQ just now and 5spd auto in the future...
RL is a 6 yr car already....back to 95 or 96...no reason to develop a 5spd to the slow seller and its aging design...otherwise they would upgrade to the 240hp and 5spd combo that in the MDX
wait few more months and u will see a new RL..
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Originally posted by daverman
Aren't "eight speed" and "continuously variable" kinda contradictory?
Aren't "eight speed" and "continuously variable" kinda contradictory?
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Originally posted by perrymaxima
Maybe Nissan wants to save something for the next gen I35/Max. I'm glad they didn't rush a 5spd auto to the market before extensive studing. Nissan probably didn't want transmission problems to tarnish that VQ engine's shine.
Maybe Nissan wants to save something for the next gen I35/Max. I'm glad they didn't rush a 5spd auto to the market before extensive studing. Nissan probably didn't want transmission problems to tarnish that VQ engine's shine.
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