TL260power

well 10 more horses is not gonna give them a sec quicker on the times.. So .2 to .4 faster sounds right. I have seen in magazines the 04 TLs do a 14.4 to 14.5 in 1/4 mile times.

Ken1997TL

Yeah mid 14's is about right for the 04+ TL's. I recently went against a stock AT equipped '04 at a track, he did 14.6 and I got 14.8 in my '97.

TL260power

in the end it really donest matter its still a TL so i dont care if its faster by .2 sec. I know i can put in some mods and beat it. AS long its not a G35 or BMWs or maximas that are beating me...

wavshrdr

I am in the process of buying a '05 TL and I still found it stifles the car quite a bit. For the 6MT I found with the traction control off you can just keep the tires hazed without excessive wheelspin for a quick launch without bogging the car. Then nail the 1>2 shift and the rest is just waiting for the finish line. OTOH wheelspin becomes an issue of you brake torque the 5AT with the traction control off.

Obviously the 6MT with the LSD was quicker but the ones I drove back to back where pretty darn close to 60. Above that the 6MT had an advantage but smaller than I thought.

Both are nice cars but I'm going with the 5AT I think. The TL wasn't meant to be the ultimate sports car as it's FWD. It does make one heck of a nice GT car. Load up the wife and luggage and its a great platform to tour the US or Europe.

1fasttl

I beat 04TL 6Spd all day but i'am fully modded. Some times it all about the launch. but then that"s my

BiggyMcWang

Unfortunate for most of us... they are going AWD... I would skip that any day because of the bill for maintenance. RWD is cheaper and lighter by far.

LiQiCE

You'd still lose a significant amount of time in the 1/4 if you ran with traction control on. I've seen people run about a 1/2 second more with VSA on versus VSA turned off.

Edward'TLS

Brake torque ?! God help our already weak tranny.

wavshrdr

I hope the tranny isn't THAT weak. If it is how does it cope with wheel slippage and then hooking up?

Edward'TLS

When you brake torque your car, your right foot is applying the gas and your other foot is applying maximum pressure to stop the car from moving. So the engine is reving, and the car is not moving. The clutches are taking in all the abuses. This is creating enormous stress and wear even to good STRONG tranny, let alone our WEAK tranny having insufficient oil lubricatiion, overheating 2nd gear, out-of-tolerance 3rd gear clutch packs.

How can this be the same as wheel slippage and then hooking up ?

wavshrdr

Let me explain it to you. Each way you are putting stress on the tranny. When you BT it there is the torque loading on the tranny with the TC multiplying the torque from the engine so you can have a high moment of torque on the internal tranny parts. It is not like you are going to BT the car all day. Yes it generates heat but that is the downside to all AT trannies. They work by having the TC slip and slippage causes heat.

When the wheels spin and then catch abrupltly that has stored energy that sometimes can shock load the tranny and this is exacerbated if you have wheel hop that can load and unload the wheels increasing the shock loading.

Probably the worst thing you could do if you had sticky tires would be to neutral drop the tranny into 1st from a high rpm. Then you would snap axles or break CV joints, u-joints, axles or internal tranny parts.

My point being that if the stock Acura tranny can't handle BT'ing then almost anything more severe is bound to cause it issues.

I understand the effects of BT, I have a vehicle that puts out about 5 times (that is correct) the amount of torque the TL but to launch it quickly the only way it will launch quickly. Then I can build boost up off the line and then all 4 wheels will spin away it goes. To handle the 1200 ft/lbs of torque I had to have the tranny specially built. No one ever said going fast is cheap and a TL is not the ultimate quarter mile car and wasn't intended to be. It is like using Scotch Whiskey for paint thinner. Yes you could do it but why?

2K2SilverTL-S

This thread is kind of old, but anyway, auto vs. auto, my 04 is does NOT FEEL faster than my TL-S w/ AEM CAI. I'm actually not too happy with the drive by wire throttle on my 04, which makes the 04 feel slower than it really is. My TL-S actually has more low end torque than my 04 in the lower RPMs, while the 04 feels a bit more torquey in VTEC.

Anyways, I still havent gotten around to race my 04 and TL-S against one another, but I will soon. I'll let you guys know the results.

fla-tls

FWIW - see my sig...

That was without the Iridiums (no big deal). I'm confident I could do better with a better launch.

BTW - I have stock 215 width road tires. They are nowhere near able to handle to torque at launch.