'03 TL vs. '03 Accord V6
08-03-2002, 11:43 AM
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'03 TL vs. '03 Accord V6
Just wondering about your opinions...
I just bought an '03 TL-S, and I'm very happy with it. My last car was a '96 Audi A4, and there's a huge power difference to say the least.
For the people who are considering or have already bought an '03 TL-P, does it not bother you that the new '03 Accord V6 will have more HP than your more expensive, upper scale car? New Accord has a 3.0 v6 with 240hp (5spd auto too), vs. TL-P's 3.2 w/225hp. I know HP isn't everything, but it would be quite annoying to be dominated at a stoplight by a so-called lower end car by the same manufacturer???
Dirk Diggler.
I just bought an '03 TL-S, and I'm very happy with it. My last car was a '96 Audi A4, and there's a huge power difference to say the least.
For the people who are considering or have already bought an '03 TL-P, does it not bother you that the new '03 Accord V6 will have more HP than your more expensive, upper scale car? New Accord has a 3.0 v6 with 240hp (5spd auto too), vs. TL-P's 3.2 w/225hp. I know HP isn't everything, but it would be quite annoying to be dominated at a stoplight by a so-called lower end car by the same manufacturer???
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08-03-2002, 12:27 PM
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Don't bother me, I like my TL-P and I'm not sure if I will like the new style of the Accord. Besides, it's the first year for that style, the rule of thumb is not to get the first years (sorry '99 TL owners).
08-03-2002, 09:50 PM
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Its just going to be weird that a car that cost five grand less than the TL will have dual zone climate control and other cool features. They should have put that stuff into the TL for 2003 to set them apart or at least equal
08-03-2002, 09:55 PM
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Its like...
Would you rather take a Toyota Camery XLE over Lexus ES300?
:o :o :o :o
I have a TL-P and I love it.
Fact of the matter is, people with nice cars don't race...
( generally speaking for all you racers and me )
Would you rather take a Toyota Camery XLE over Lexus ES300?
:o :o :o :o
I have a TL-P and I love it.
Fact of the matter is, people with nice cars don't race...
( generally speaking for all you racers and me
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08-03-2002, 10:07 PM
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There is no question that putting a 240hp engine into an accord really blows when the base TL for the same year has less power than that. However the 2nd generation TL is about to come to an end for 2004 and it stands to reason that the 3rd generation model will come with a version with more HP than the current type S. IMO, Honda should have waited a year to introduce the larger engine option in the new Accord, to at least give the new TL a chance to stay ahead.
08-03-2002, 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by silver03TL
Don't bother me, I like my TL-P and I'm not sure if I will like the new style of the Accord. Besides, it's the first year for that style, the rule of thumb is not to get the first years (sorry '99 TL owners).
Don't bother me, I like my TL-P and I'm not sure if I will like the new style of the Accord. Besides, it's the first year for that style, the rule of thumb is not to get the first years (sorry '99 TL owners).
I really don't care that the new accord will have more power than the 03 TL-P. I rather be caught in an Acura over an accord any day. Before the flame comes, I know they are very similar but that's just my personal opinion. And don't worry, the new TL will definitely have more power than the accord so be patient.
08-04-2002, 01:34 AM
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i think the caddillac sts boasts 300+hp @ the crank for fwd...i drove my friends and it seems to handle like a damn sports car despite the size of that thing...Shyne:king:
08-04-2002, 01:41 AM
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Who cares that the accord will have more HP than the TLP. I personally have the TLS, and even though my car has 260hp, it still doesn't matter. An Acura is just that, no Honda will ever be better than an Acura, even if it's a TLP with slightly less hp. I personally don't think the 2003 accord can compare to the TLP or TLS. Let those new accord people have their extra 15 HP, TLP owners get a more upscale, luxurious, fully loaded ride. Just my .02
08-04-2002, 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by FLAcuraTLS
Who cares that the accord will have more HP than the TLP. I personally have the TLS, and even though my car has 260hp, it still doesn't matter. An Acura is just that, no Honda will ever be better than an Acura, even if it's a TLP with slightly less hp. I personally don't think the 2003 accord can compare to the TLP or TLS. Let those new accord people have their extra 15 HP, TLP owners get a more upscale, luxurious, fully loaded ride. Just my .02
Who cares that the accord will have more HP than the TLP. I personally have the TLS, and even though my car has 260hp, it still doesn't matter. An Acura is just that, no Honda will ever be better than an Acura, even if it's a TLP with slightly less hp. I personally don't think the 2003 accord can compare to the TLP or TLS. Let those new accord people have their extra 15 HP, TLP owners get a more upscale, luxurious, fully loaded ride. Just my .02
08-04-2002, 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Awais
I dunno if you've read any reviews for the new Accord, but its supossed to be really smooth and luxurious
I dunno if you've read any reviews for the new Accord, but its supossed to be really smooth and luxurious
08-04-2002, 05:42 PM
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Yeah, I just read articles in the Toronto Star and Sun and it was suggested that the Accord while boring on the outside is an excellent car.
Its just like the Altima and Maxima, where the Altima 3.5 is likely in a lot of ways better than the Maxima, style wise for sure.
Perhaps holding off the 2003 TL is wise, and either get the Accord or wait for the new TL.
Personally, the TL is a smooth car that is likely still more luxurious than the new Accord.
Its just like the Altima and Maxima, where the Altima 3.5 is likely in a lot of ways better than the Maxima, style wise for sure.
Perhaps holding off the 2003 TL is wise, and either get the Accord or wait for the new TL.
Personally, the TL is a smooth car that is likely still more luxurious than the new Accord.
08-04-2002, 05:44 PM
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What features do a fully loaded ACCORD come with?
If it does not come with HID as an option or Sport -Shift Trans the base TL has got it beat at that point. Even if this was an option they are going to pay big time for it. The fact is the ACCORD is an all new design & the TL is not. The TL got improvements to the car but the basic design will be 5 years old soon.
If it does not come with HID as an option or Sport -Shift Trans the base TL has got it beat at that point. Even if this was an option they are going to pay big time for it. The fact is the ACCORD is an all new design & the TL is not. The TL got improvements to the car but the basic design will be 5 years old soon.
08-04-2002, 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by FLAcuraTLS
An Acura is just that, no Honda will ever be better than an Acura, even if it's a TLP with slightly less hp. I personally don't think the 2003 accord can compare to the TLP or TLS.
An Acura is just that, no Honda will ever be better than an Acura, even if it's a TLP with slightly less hp. I personally don't think the 2003 accord can compare to the TLP or TLS.
08-05-2002, 09:39 AM
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Who cares that thing is hideaous, It might have as much or similiar power or times I dont care. Cars are getting better everyday and unless you have money to keep trading up something will always be at your door. The TL/TLS might get a boost in power but it want be much probably about 275 for the TLS and 245-250 for the TLP when the new model arrives. 300 is alot for a FWD car (cadillac DTS) and I think we are pushing it already in terms of horsepower for a FWD car.
08-05-2002, 04:42 PM
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I'm sure Honda would be glad to hear that most people aren't overly concerned about the HP factor between the new Accord and the current TL. I still think Honda should have released the new Accord with 215hp instead at least for '03. It would still have more HP than the latest Camry (it's main competition), and less HP than it's upper scale TL-P. That way, everyones happy. Then when the '04 TL-P comes out with 260hp or something, they can increase the HP of the Accord...
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08-05-2002, 09:57 PM
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Altima has been kicking ass in the segment the pass year, selling everyone they made. Honda got to have an anwser and the answer is coming up with an putting Type-S treatment to the old 3.0L engine to come up with 250HP. It's the only way to change the boring image of the Accord name plate.
Sure, it's faster than TL-P and as fast as TL-S, but it's not an Acura. In people's mind, Acura is still better.
And just remember, what goes in the Accord will eventually be in the TL. And I think they'll retire Type-S next year as base model will be 260HP already. Having any more power in a FWD is pointless.
Just think, a 260HP base TL @ $27K and max out with goodies @ $30K. Ain't competition grand? I just wish Nissan will keep kicking Honda's ass just so we'll get better Hondas.
Sure, it's faster than TL-P and as fast as TL-S, but it's not an Acura. In people's mind, Acura is still better.
And just remember, what goes in the Accord will eventually be in the TL. And I think they'll retire Type-S next year as base model will be 260HP already. Having any more power in a FWD is pointless.
Just think, a 260HP base TL @ $27K and max out with goodies @ $30K. Ain't competition grand? I just wish Nissan will keep kicking Honda's ass just so we'll get better Hondas.
08-06-2002, 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by 2002acuraTL
There is no question that putting a 240hp engine into an accord really blows when the base TL for the same year has less power than that. However the 2nd generation TL is about to come to an end for 2004 and it stands to reason that the 3rd generation model will come with a version with more HP than the current type S. IMO, Honda should have waited a year to introduce the larger engine option in the new Accord, to at least give the new TL a chance to stay ahead.
There is no question that putting a 240hp engine into an accord really blows when the base TL for the same year has less power than that. However the 2nd generation TL is about to come to an end for 2004 and it stands to reason that the 3rd generation model will come with a version with more HP than the current type S. IMO, Honda should have waited a year to introduce the larger engine option in the new Accord, to at least give the new TL a chance to stay ahead.
08-06-2002, 09:09 PM
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Thanks for that info TideHHI, i didn't know that the TL is the honda inspire , but i am not comparing the Acura TL to the JDM equivalent. I am comparing the TL(Inspire) to the ACCORD..Two different cars, and no honda accord will ever be as nice as a Honda Inspire. Does that help a little.
, but i am not comparing the Acura TL to the JDM equivalent. I am comparing the TL(Inspire) to the ACCORD..Two different cars, and no honda accord will ever be as nice as a Honda Inspire. Does that help a little.
08-07-2002, 01:27 AM
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Re: '03 TL vs. '03 Accord V6
Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
Just wondering about your opinions...
I just bought an '03 TL-S, and I'm very happy with it. My last car was a '96 Audi A4, and there's a huge power difference to say the least.
For the people who are considering or have already bought an '03 TL-P, does it not bother you that the new '03 Accord V6 will have more HP than your more expensive, upper scale car? New Accord has a 3.0 v6 with 240hp (5spd auto too), vs. TL-P's 3.2 w/225hp. I know HP isn't everything, but it would be quite annoying to be dominated at a stoplight by a so-called lower end car by the same manufacturer???
Dirk Diggler.
Just wondering about your opinions...
I just bought an '03 TL-S, and I'm very happy with it. My last car was a '96 Audi A4, and there's a huge power difference to say the least.
For the people who are considering or have already bought an '03 TL-P, does it not bother you that the new '03 Accord V6 will have more HP than your more expensive, upper scale car? New Accord has a 3.0 v6 with 240hp (5spd auto too), vs. TL-P's 3.2 w/225hp. I know HP isn't everything, but it would be quite annoying to be dominated at a stoplight by a so-called lower end car by the same manufacturer???
Dirk Diggler.
08-07-2002, 01:30 AM
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Plus, this is how i look at it.... Honda is ALWAYS a honda, Acura is always an Acura.... especially, when you pick up your car at the hotel valet parking, where they will drive the car up, and you claim it infront of everyone else.... Would you want they pull up a 240hps ACCORD??? Or an Acura TL/CL??? the class is totally, and way beyond Honda! people look at you differently when you have an Acura!
08-07-2002, 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by Houston CL
Honda is ALWAYS a honda
Honda is ALWAYS a honda
but not how you intended it to be
for marketing, they split their products into two
but in the rest of the world, you get hondas
same things, just different badges
my friend with his s2000 gets lots of respects
hopefully i will too when i get mine
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Although the Altima has more HP, I think it's in a different class. Honda shouldn't really have to worry about them. They are going to sell lots of them regardless of the HP. It's just like the Camry. Toyota doesn't seem to care that their cars are damn ssssslllllllooooowwww. They still sell lots of them. Maybe they're hoping that the kids in the riced up Civics move onto bigger cars with more HP!
08-07-2002, 06:22 PM
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hahahaha
well...performance wise both are reallie close...
but clearly TL has the edge over the new accord in terms of luxury...i would still pick TL over accord
well...performance wise both are reallie close...
but clearly TL has the edge over the new accord in terms of luxury...i would still pick TL over accord
08-07-2002, 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrema
Altima has been kicking ass in the segment the pass year, selling everyone they made. Honda got to have an anwser and the answer is coming up with an putting Type-S treatment to the old 3.0L engine to come up with 250HP. It's the only way to change the boring image of the Accord name plate.
Sure, it's faster than TL-P and as fast as TL-S, but it's not an Acura. In people's mind, Acura is still better.
And just remember, what goes in the Accord will eventually be in the TL. And I think they'll retire Type-S next year as base model will be 260HP already. Having any more power in a FWD is pointless.
Just think, a 260HP base TL @ $27K and max out with goodies @ $30K. Ain't competition grand? I just wish Nissan will keep kicking Honda's ass just so we'll get better Hondas.
Altima has been kicking ass in the segment the pass year, selling everyone they made. Honda got to have an anwser and the answer is coming up with an putting Type-S treatment to the old 3.0L engine to come up with 250HP. It's the only way to change the boring image of the Accord name plate.
Sure, it's faster than TL-P and as fast as TL-S, but it's not an Acura. In people's mind, Acura is still better.
And just remember, what goes in the Accord will eventually be in the TL. And I think they'll retire Type-S next year as base model will be 260HP already. Having any more power in a FWD is pointless.
Just think, a 260HP base TL @ $27K and max out with goodies @ $30K. Ain't competition grand? I just wish Nissan will keep kicking Honda's ass just so we'll get better Hondas.
well...for the 4 cylinder comparasion, the new accord outruns the altima despite it's heavier and 15hp less...also 100cc less too...
they have detuned to just 160hp instead of the original target 180hp becoz they do not want to steal the V6 market...
it's impressive to see the new V6 has 240hp and just REGULAR gas...they claimed for 10hp more if u get preminum....
08-07-2002, 09:34 PM
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Re: '03 TL vs. '03 Accord V6
Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
Just wondering about your opinions...
I just bought an '03 TL-S, and I'm very happy with it. My last car was a '96 Audi A4, and there's a huge power difference to say the least.
For the people who are considering or have already bought an '03 TL-P, does it not bother you that the new '03 Accord V6 will have more HP than your more expensive, upper scale car? New Accord has a 3.0 v6 with 240hp (5spd auto too), vs. TL-P's 3.2 w/225hp. I know HP isn't everything, but it would be quite annoying to be dominated at a stoplight by a so-called lower end car by the same manufacturer???
Dirk Diggler.
Just wondering about your opinions...
I just bought an '03 TL-S, and I'm very happy with it. My last car was a '96 Audi A4, and there's a huge power difference to say the least.
For the people who are considering or have already bought an '03 TL-P, does it not bother you that the new '03 Accord V6 will have more HP than your more expensive, upper scale car? New Accord has a 3.0 v6 with 240hp (5spd auto too), vs. TL-P's 3.2 w/225hp. I know HP isn't everything, but it would be quite annoying to be dominated at a stoplight by a so-called lower end car by the same manufacturer???
Dirk Diggler.
I got a 03 TLP, and would still do the samething today even if I knew about the accord! the altima was out at the time with a manual transmission running a 14.4 1/4(tested by motorweek)! so if I wanted a bastardized fwd 4 door, I could have gotten it then, but I still choose my "underpowered"
TLP, and I don't care
08-07-2002, 10:27 PM
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hey torqueaholic, rub it in, because all us TLS owners are really fearing those stop light encouters with an 03 accord. And I am even more upset that the accord will have a manual.
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08-08-2002, 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by samkws
they have detuned to just 160hp instead of the original target 180hp becoz they do not want to steal the V6 market...
they have detuned to just 160hp instead of the original target 180hp becoz they do not want to steal the V6 market...
08-08-2002, 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by Xtrema
No they didn't. They just transplant the exact engine from the CRV with no change what so ever. Hence save on cost by using products already proven and developed.
No they didn't. They just transplant the exact engine from the CRV with no change what so ever. Hence save on cost by using products already proven and developed.
but at first they wanted to have 180hp...but due to conflict of V6 market they had to stay with 160 and not going for the horsepower competition with nissan
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Originally posted by ferrari527
Ever heard of the NSX?
Ever heard of the NSX?
Anyways, regardless of hp, I just hope that the Accord 5spd auto won't have tranny problems like we do. If Acura/Honda hasn't figured out the their tranny sucks ball, they have a major problem. Regardless, my next car will be Lexus and Mercedes (hopefully LS430 and SL500).
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