Sonny

I know someone who works at the Acura dealer as a mechanic in training (studying mechanical engineering) and the dealer got specs for the 2004 TL on sale in October. I managed to glance at it quickly, engine is gonna a V6, for all the enthusiats, there is a 6 Speed on tap, there WILL be a Type-S version, no spec on the Type-S, however, lets just say that it has dvd entertainment system, with dvd/mp3 capability, and this was shocking to me...290 HP on the TL-P base model!!! It still is front wheel drive, and prices will be much higher than now, since ths TSX fully loaded can go for 35K, pricing may start at around 36-38K. Also threre will a TSX coupe to replace the CL coupe which will also be coupled with a high power engine close to the new TL (no exact specs given). This was all I could get from him and from the spec sheet

Edub-TL

We appreciate the info. And the info is pretty close to all the rumors that have surfaced. But I sure hope your friend doesn't get into trouble for your posthing this, and for naming the particular dealership where it wouldn't be very hard to figure out which mechanic in training it could be.

fahoumh

290HP + FWD = bad

vandy786

Only if the torque gets a major bump. HP is good for the high-end while more torque on the front wheels will mean more wheelspin and wheelhop (Maxima).

Raheel

Sonny Just for your friends safety, remove the name of the dealership and location and remove the info about you getting info from a friend..

Just type Saw Spec Sheet Paper at Dealership...

You don't know, Acura could browse these forums and find out info is leaked and who leaked it...

I once heard a story about a service guy who went crazy on this one ladies SVT Cobra at Ford and he wrote all about it on this forum and this lady browses the forum.. The Idiot even wrote the License Plate number, she sued him.. I think it was a She I guess I could be wrong.. But ya the idiot like wrote what time and when and how and what he did.. She had the car in for service..

Raheel

Hey Sonny do you know if the Type-S will be released right away or come later in 2-3 years?

$35k+ is a lotta money.. The car better have AWD And Wings that let it fly, before I pay that price

Nah I will probably end up paying that anyways LOL!

I dont get why the CL Will be replaced by TSX Coupe? Isn't the TSX Coupe known as RSX? ...

agean

yeah this isn't making too much sense.

the tsx is already the 4-door version of the rsx (in theory if not in design), so why make a 2-door tsx? it would be a direct competitor for the rsx.

290 hp on the tl-p? not likely. the tl-p is huge with older, more conservative drivers (no offense to the tl-p guys on the site, but think of the typical person you often see driving one). that's way too much hp for that type of market, and will cause too much torque steer. if thats the hp for the tl-p, what can we expect on the tl-s? 320hp on an fwd? thats a frightening thought...

VtecMW

The new TL is being dubbed as an "enthusiasts" car. Therefore, it will be positioned to a completely different buyer. I would imagine that the next gen RL would be positioned toward the current gen TL buyer.

A fully loaded TSX at $35K? That's Canadian right?! There's no way I'd pay that for a TSX. I'm hoping to see the TL start in the $33K range.

doopstr

I think making it an enthusiasts car is a mistake. In 99-02 they were able to take a hell of a lot of businees away from the ES300. Making it an enthusiasts car tells me they are no longer interested in the market that the ES300 is in. Are they are now trying to take on BMW and Infiniti?

Does anyone know how sales of the G35 are compared to the ES330?

agean

Does anyone know how sales of the G35 are compared to the ES330?

theres a 330 es??? i had no idea they put that engine in the es

BigNard

Hey Sonny, where do you get $35k for a loaded TSX? Is that the one with three navigations systems? My mom is actually looking into getting a TSX soon and we built it on Acura's web site and with almost every single option and accessory it came to a total of around $30k, so I would expect the new TL to come loaded at around $35k or so.

bigman

I'm so happy about the speculated specs and all, but for that price, i can think of quite a few cars to get with similar power. The TL's strongest selling point was value for dollar. Now it's not going to have that

doopstr

whoops I shot the gun that one. I meant the ES300, no 330 yet. That's supposed to be coming though.

VtecMW

I built a TSX on Acura's web site today. I included just about every option that people who are into cars would get. The price I came up with was $31K. $35K is a big stretch for a car like the TSX.

I think the TL will start somewhere around $34K. I see it competing against the G35, Audi A4 3.0, BMW 525/530, and Lexus ES. It's really hard to tell because Acura appears to be dividing up the low-end of the segment with the TSX and the mid to high end with the TL. I would think that they would have a very specific focus to capitalize on both ends of the segment.

I just wish more info on the car was available.

Monte TLS,MAX

Yeah the 35K is a bit much even 31k even 27k is for the TSX, and 290HP I just dont see it even for the TLS for that matter.

Comet2404

My dealership told me this about the TL-P:
1. 280-300 HP
2.NO Type-S version
3. Comes out in August
4. Base price set at about $34,900


I think they also told me that there wouldn't be any option available except an entertainment system or something. I'm guessing that navi will be standard on this car. Still, I'm looking forward to it!

lovemyTL

Wow....good point.

rhizopod

This statement isn't quite right. Horsepower and torque are DIRECTLY related. Using standard units of measure (horsepower for power and ft-lb for torque) the formulation is:

HP = (Torque * RPM) / 5252

For car specs, the torque is what is actually measured; the horespower is CALCULATED from it.

Edward'TLS

If Honda is gonna release a 290hp + FWD car, it must have figure out a way of taming the torque steer beast. One thing to remember, the Honda transmission suffers from very heavy gear horsepower loss. So 290hp might actually be just 200 to 230 hp to the driving wheels.

Comet2404

still... I cant imagine my TL-P with 290hp... thats a nice number! I just wonder how much heavier that car will be than this current model. I'm so excited about it though!!! I CANT WAIT!!!

fahoumh

if I'm not mistaken, the TL-S puts down 200 whp...it would be pretty pathetic if this new one has 290 crank hp and only 200 whp

Sonny

the reason the prices are high for the TSX are b/c that is price after all tax, tag, and invoice markups and everything else at this particular dealership, sorry about the confusion. For all the non beleivers, take what u want to, I saw this with my eyes, and we'll see something close to this hopefully this fall. Also, the TSX coupe won't neccesarily be called a TSX coupe, it's just and idea for the replacement to fill the gap left by the CL.

fahoumh

what they need to do is make a car like the Legend coupe

sweetride01

Yea, $35k+?
Acura has not been like a BMW, Is not BMW, and will never be like BMW.
When we looked for a car, we drove an '03 Cobra (fast), a BMW 530i, and an Acura. We chose the Acura because it was cheaper than the BMW, and had more power (the sales guy at Ford tried to rip us off with the Cobra). However, it was almost a hard choice - the BMW build quality far outreached Acura's, as did the materials, content, quality, and engineering, as well as safety. The TL-S was just a lot more affordable, and i think Acura rely on people who get recommended this car, are enthusiasts (us), or like the feature content. They can not enter the price range of BMW, because they will never be as high quality. Trying to enter that market would be a BIG mistake.

lovemyTL

maybe acura should hire us. we know what we're doing

sweetride01

Yea-- I agree.

If the price is over $35,000 EVERYONE who browses this forum should go on strike... that would make atleast a small hole in their profits, especially as these cars are meant to be designed for people like us.

Tom Blasing

Doesn't it sound wierd to anyone that the NSX has that same 290HP? I realize it's a whole other animal but geezz...

Comet2404

Come on you guys... lets not get our shorts in a knot. Who knows that the new TL will have on it. I think its only fair to give it a chance. I know I'm REALLY excited to see it, and for all we know it could be worth 35K.

rhizopod

Could it be worth 35k??? For 35K we can get a g35 coupe.... RWD. makes all the difference in the world. Let's face it. TL comes down to the bottom line... value. Once that's gone, there's no TL left.

topdaytrader

Honda only cares about their profit.

lovemyTL

Dude it's a business. They dont OWE us a TL that is affordable.

BigNard

Yo, I agree with Comet. Let's wait and see what the new TL is made of before we make any assumptions about its quality. After all, no disrespect meant to the prev. gen. TL owners, but the whole automotive world was taken by surprise with the current version TL, and it is cheaper than the previous one. Oh and Rhizopod, rear-drive might be great for you down in Texas, but up here in the Northeast, it just ain't gonna work So either a front drive or all-wheel drive TL is desireable for us up here.

BlackTLS420

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 2004TL

$35k+ is a lotta money.. The car better have AWD And Wings that let it fly, before I pay that price


buddy a $240k Aston Martin doesn't do that. The way I look at it is take a 03 type s and a 04 TL and look at what is new and better, is it 4k in upgrades or better? than its worth it. I dont know if all you guys saved your whole like to make it to 30k or what, but 35k isnt all that much for a car. Ya its not gonna be a BMW 540i, but its also at least 20k cheaper for a reason, and as far as Acura never being as good a bimmer, if they jacked their prices to BMW's im sure they could, what do u think BMW has some secret magical connection they use for materials comon, its all about money, that's like me sitting here saying well BMW is a good car, but it will just never be as nice a Bentley. Acura's point from what I can see is to offer a car that is priced below its competitor with comparable features and high power, maybe they do want to take on nicer cars, more power to them, hell if they do a good job in 3 years maybe ill get another Acura instead of a Jag...prob. not though

and hey sweetride01 of course the TL was not as nice as the bimmer, U give me the 10K difference in the two and I guarantee I can make my TL-S nicer than a stock BMW 530 in plenty of ways

EmuMessenger

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlackTLS420

Quote:

Originally posted by 2004TL

$35k+ is a lotta money.. The car better have AWD And Wings that let it fly, before I pay that price


buddy a $240k Aston Martin doesn't do that. The way I look at it is take a 03 type s and a 04 TL and look at what is new and better, is it 4k in upgrades or better? than its worth it. I dont know if all you guys saved your whole like to make it to 30k or what, but 35k isnt all that much for a car. Ya its not gonna be a BMW 540i, but its also at least 20k cheaper for a reason, and as far as Acura never being as good a bimmer, if they jacked their prices to BMW's im sure they could, what do u think BMW has some secret magical connection they use for materials comon, its all about money, that's like me sitting here saying well BMW is a good car, but it will just never be as nice a Bentley. Acura's point from what I can see is to offer a car that is priced below its competitor with comparable features and high power, maybe they do want to take on nicer cars, more power to them, hell if they do a good job in 3 years maybe ill get another Acura instead of a Jag...prob. not though

and hey sweetride01 of course the TL was not as nice as the bimmer, U give me the 10K difference in the two and I guarantee I can make my TL-S nicer than a stock BMW 530 in plenty of ways

I wish I had an applause icon.

Well stated!

This may generate flames, but I would be happy with AWD and a small HP jump to counter balance the increased weight.