Are the fluid change maintenance reminders premature?
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Are the fluid change maintenance reminders premature?
I do my own oil changes with Mobil 1 0W20 approx. every 7500 miles or so. My B16 came up around 17K and my A123 came up around 26K. My mechanic thinks it is insane to replace transmission, transfer case and rear differential fluid before 60K and recommended that I should continue with regular oil changes, reset the maintenance reminder and not to worry about them till 60K. What do you guys think and practice?
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Do you do any trailer towing or regular mountainous driving? According to the owner's manual these may warrant earlier fluid changes.
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I do my own oil changes with Mobil 1 0W20 approx. every 7500 miles or so. My B16 came up around 17K and my A123 came up around 26K. My mechanic thinks it is insane to replace transmission, transfer case and rear differential fluid before 60K and recommended that I should continue with regular oil changes, reset the maintenance reminder and not to worry about them till 60K. What do you guys think and practice?
The dealer doesn't even need to prove that the lack of maintenance caused the issue. He merely needs to show that you cannot prove that you did the maintenance.
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I do my own oil changes with Mobil 1 0W20 approx. every 7500 miles or so. My B16 came up around 17K and my A123 came up around 26K. My mechanic thinks it is insane to replace transmission, transfer case and rear differential fluid before 60K and recommended that I should continue with regular oil changes, reset the maintenance reminder and not to worry about them till 60K. What do you guys think and practice?
I would not be surprised if your tranny fluid is very black at the moment and the drain plug is full of metal shavings.
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I went through the same thought process but decided to change the transmission oil myself when it asked for it (around 30k) just because of how easy it is. Didn't have to worry about transfer/diff change though as I'm 2WD. If you do your own engine oil changes, you can definitely handle a tranny oil change. Hardest part is routing a funnel down to the fill point as it's tucked down deep behind the radiator. If you have a 3/8" ratchet (don't even need a socket - the plug is square drive) and a long-neck funnel, you got all the tools you need.
And FWIW, the old oil was just about spotless when I changed it. It definitely didn't look or smell burned up or like it desperately needed to be changed. Granted, it's anybody's guess how much it might have broken down chemically, but contamination certainly wasn't an issue.
And FWIW, the old oil was just about spotless when I changed it. It definitely didn't look or smell burned up or like it desperately needed to be changed. Granted, it's anybody's guess how much it might have broken down chemically, but contamination certainly wasn't an issue.
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...And FWIW, the old oil was just about spotless when I changed it. It definitely didn't look or smell burned up or like it desperately needed to be changed. Granted, it's anybody's guess how much it might have broken down chemically, but contamination certainly wasn't an issue.
Oil can change color within a very short period and still be fine, while a fluid in a more closed system can look perfectly fine and no longer be able to do its job.
Manufacturers spend millions in determining the proper fluid change intervals. While it might not apply to absolutely every driver but following the required intervals will keep your warranty intact and your car running well.
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Based on the research I've done on DW-1 fluid, it is only good for around 30,000 miles. On every Honda/Acura tranny I've changed the fluid on, the very first change around 30,000 miles, the magnetic drain plug was full of metal shavings (and seen it on others as well). This is not a serious problem and very common. Why do you think Honda uses a magnetic plug? Additionally, most auto trannies experience most of their metal wear in the first 15,000 miles or so.
Personally, I would recommend a drain and fill on the RDX every 15,000 miles, instead of doing three at 30,000. The first change will help get rid of the initial metal build up, and the subsequent changes will keep the fluid fresh and protect your tranny better.
Personally, I would recommend a drain and fill on the RDX every 15,000 miles, instead of doing three at 30,000. The first change will help get rid of the initial metal build up, and the subsequent changes will keep the fluid fresh and protect your tranny better.
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Color is seldom an indication of fluid quality.
Oil can change color within a very short period and still be fine, while a fluid in a more closed system can look perfectly fine and no longer be able to do its job.
Manufacturers spend millions in determining the proper fluid change intervals. While it might not apply to absolutely every driver but following the required intervals will keep your warranty intact and your car running well.
Oil can change color within a very short period and still be fine, while a fluid in a more closed system can look perfectly fine and no longer be able to do its job.
Manufacturers spend millions in determining the proper fluid change intervals. While it might not apply to absolutely every driver but following the required intervals will keep your warranty intact and your car running well.
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You should not have chunks of metal on the drain plug magnet. Some fuzz is OK and probably normal but black fluid is bad at just about any mileage. That was what I was referring to.
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On my first change, there was typically a decent amount of shavings, on the second and subsequent changes, the amount of shavings dropped precipitously.
As for black fluid, I agree, and around 30,000 miles on DW-1, the fluid is most likely black.
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So i am kind of eating my words here. We bought a 2016 RDX Advance at the end of January (2017) and had the A123 pop up on the MID recently. Odometer was at 26.8K. Over this past weekend, I had the transmission fluid, rear differential fluid, oil, engine air filter, cabin air filter and wiper blade inserts (x3) all changed out.
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Transmission Change 2016 RDX AWD
If you read the owners manual it clearly states the transmission service, for normal driving, is due at 60,000 miles. Note the *fluid*4 on service item 3. Below the column you will see *4 means 60,000 for the first change, 30,000 miles thereafter.
owners manual also lists 3.3 quarts for a 'fluid change'.
I plan to change with a 1x drain and fill every 30,000, anything more exceeds Acura requirements and is likely overkill.
owners manual also lists 3.3 quarts for a 'fluid change'.
I plan to change with a 1x drain and fill every 30,000, anything more exceeds Acura requirements and is likely overkill.
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If you read the owners manual it clearly states the transmission service, for normal driving, is due at 60,000 miles. Note the *fluid*4 on service item 3. Below the column you will see *4 means 60,000 for the first change, 30,000 miles thereafter.
owners manual also lists 3.3 quarts for a 'fluid change'.
I plan to change with a 1x drain and fill every 30,000, anything more exceeds Acura requirements and is likely overkill.
owners manual also lists 3.3 quarts for a 'fluid change'.
I plan to change with a 1x drain and fill every 30,000, anything more exceeds Acura requirements and is likely overkill.
6 Speed Automatic AWD with Advance Package - Recommended service:
- Replace transmission and transfer fluid*
- * Not available on all models
- Independent of the Maintenance Minder information, replace the brake fluid every 3 years.
- Inspect idle speed every 160,000 miles (256,000 km).
- Adjust the valves during services A, B, 1, 2, or 3 if they are noisy.
We have the Advance model so..............
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Transmission Change 2016 RDX AWD
My owners manual for my 2016 RDX AWD w/ tech pkg on page 345 on the bottom right of the page, in very fine print has a *4 that refers to ATF changes.
Unfortunately it reads like it was written by someone who lacks basic writing skills.
I have it attached part of P. 345 as a .JPG, I suggest you check your owners manual and decide for yourself what Acura is trying to say.
I plan to change at the MM indication which I guess will be near the 30K range, but only do the change as dealers do, 1 drain/fill of about 3.3 quarts AFT.
Let me know if you find something different.
Unfortunately it reads like it was written by someone who lacks basic writing skills.
I have it attached part of P. 345 as a .JPG, I suggest you check your owners manual and decide for yourself what Acura is trying to say.
I plan to change at the MM indication which I guess will be near the 30K range, but only do the change as dealers do, 1 drain/fill of about 3.3 quarts AFT.
Let me know if you find something different.
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I see what you are saying agree with you. It's not that well written and it sounds like 60K is the right time to replace the transmission fluid. I'm going to assume our Owner's Manual says the same thing, but won't have access to it until this evening as it is the Mrs' chariot. I have been using a Honda mechanic who does work at his home on the side, so while I may have done it early, it was relatively inexpensive.
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I personally go a little long on oil changes, since I believe the maintenance minder oil change is about 7500 miles. Synthetic with a good filter can easily go 10K+ without issues. I usually go at least 10K, sometimes 12K. However, I change the AT at least as often as the oil, sometimes more. I'd say I average 8-9K miles between drain and refill of DW1. I don't trust Honda's AT's as long as I could throw one (and it's probably impossible to lift one)
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