Bonez21

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So Far i have....
1) 01 CL-S
2) Tein Basics (Not yet installed)
3) Ingalls Front adj. Ball joints and rear Camber Kit (Not yet installed)
4) wheel/Tire combo is currently at stock spec for now until i find a set of wheels that i like... but wheels will be 18's with 235/40 Tires

Issue: So i've been researching just to see if there were any issues with the parts i picked up and low and behold there seems to be a clearance issue with the Ingalls front adj. ball joints and the factory A arms when dropped really Low

My Plans: I don't plan on dropping my car extremely low as i have outgrown the slammed phase of my life but i am looking to lower my car.

Opinion/Advice: So....the question i have for you guys given my preferred specs: Tein Basics, 235/40/18 Tires with ingalls camber kit for rear and adj. ingalls ball joint for front....

Is the ingalls front ball joint really necessary for a mild drop?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I also searched and found out that the clearance issue can be bypassed by simply getting the Ingalls A-Arm with adj ball joint but i got a deal i couldn't pass up on the front ball joints and the rear kits for $200 altogether

The last thing i want is another issue, i want to be able to drive my car as worry free as possible, tapping from a clearance issue is not something i want to deal with but since i have the kit should i just go with it or leave it stock for now, sell them and just get the ingalls A-Arm's with adj. ball joint?!?!?!!?

Keep in mind this will be a mild drop, i'm not a wrestler so i don't plan on slamming my car to the point where i can tell you what kind of pavement i'm driving on LoL I'm in NYC btw...

I'm planning on installing these parts this coming Sunday...

gnuts

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you'll be fine. people who were hitting with the adjustable ball joints were slammed. i have tein basics with a mild drop and i was just within spec when i had it aligned. there was probably a 1.5 finger gap.

civicdrivr

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You probably wont need the camber kit for the front. Mine is within spec, and I have about a finger gap.

The rear is needed however.

Bonez21

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What size Tires are you two running currently?

I have the rears but i also have the fronts. After carefully looking over the details and part #'s for the fronts that i have i realized i have part # 35591 which has Adj. Ball Joint +1.5 to +3.0 deg

Technically speaking if i were going to use these....wouldn't I need part # 35590 with Adjustable Ball Joint +/- 1.5 deg instead?

civicdrivr

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Im running 235/40-18s.

RooEng

Do you need a front camber kit?

Depends on who you ask. The OE specs are +-1 degree and is not adjustable BUT at 1*, a 25.4" tire will be leaning 0.44" from vertical which will prematurely wear out the tires even though it's within the tolerance. Some people adjust or don't adjust the front to camber more for different reasons. Cost, looks, handling, tire wear etc.

Mine was at 0.7* and was wearing out the inside of the tires, caster was good and the toe was adjusted but the camber was off but still within specs. I put the Ingalls camber kits on, camber is about 0.25* and the tire wear is even now.

You need the +-1.5 kit, the Teins won't get low enough to make the camber exceed 1.5*. With my Tein SS bottomed out, the camber was about 1* but I've rasied it up since then.

Bonez21

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Thanks you guys, you've been very helpful but i stil think somewhere down the line i will go with the Ingalls adj. A-Arm. In the meantime the Ingalls adj. ball joints will be in the classifieds...

COMPtechtyper

I just ordered my teins for my 03 type s. I didnt order my camber kits do i need to order both back and front camber kits?

Bonez21

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Depends on how low you want to go, after researching it looks like you'll be fine with a mild drop with just the rear camber kit. The fronts are necessary if your a wrestler aka someone who wants to super SLAM their car but if you want go get a good camber kit with the front camber kit as well it looks like ingalls makes a front A-Arm with adj. ball joint. That seems like the best way to go.

dave586270

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With just the basics, you won't hit. I had the Tein springs and nothing hit. Now with my coils, the adjustable ball joints deff won't work. if your still out of alignment with the coils you need adjustable control arms to bring the front in. rear ingall kit is plenty to get it into spec in the rear even with my coils.

civicdrivr

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FYI even the adjustable a-arms hit the shock tower.

Bonez21

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Really? Damn is there a difference in height at which the point they hit? In other words does the A-Arm allow you to go any lower then the balljoint? Or do they both hit at the same point of lowness?

This issue is getting more and more amusing to me

civicdrivr

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They are a lower profile then the ball joints, but not as low profile as stock arms. Take a look at nspecs car. Hes running the arms and he hit.

97BlackAckCL

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If you're only doing a mild drop, you shouldn't have to worry about the ball joints hitting

Bonez21

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Understandable....but now i'm just curious...seems like there's no way for "The wrestler's" to win on this one...

civicdrivr

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Honestly, if its only a mild drop, you shouldnt need adjustable arms or ball joints anyway.

dave586270

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Exactly. Just springs, all you'll need is a rear camber kit. Unless something is way off in the front the stock adjustments in the front will do. rear camber kit is a must. Ingalls is easy to put in and so easy to adjust!

Bonez21

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I already purchased the ingalls smart Arms for the rear but i'm not 100% sure which 2 arms (on each side that is...) they replace. I have the car up in the air in my bro's garage at the moment awaiting some new Top hats so if anyone could shed some light on this, or maybe even a simple pic of what your smart-arms look like already installed that would be great!!!!

P.S. i have a pretty good idea but i'd like to be sure, the directions that came with it don't help much and i tried calling ingalls but ended up having to leave a few voicemails...