Originally Posted by peiqinglong

You can not possibly be having rubbing on OEM wheels. Have the install checked out.

Originally Posted by peiqinglong

If you want the OEs...I have a set for $100 shipped...used.

Originally Posted by fantom

It is not like all the time . But when there is a bump ............then i have a problem . Roads in NY are bad In general i love the springs even rake look is not that bad . I do have OE roms and OE size tires .

Originally Posted by peiqinglong

Are you plowing through the cracks and bumps in the streets? SF streets are just are bad I really don't have too much problem (I have about 3 inch drop) or my gf who has the HR Sport on her TL.

Originally Posted by fantom

guys 2 weeks ago i got installed H&R sport 50103 . Unfortunatelly bc of bad advice i got them

Originally Posted by NSXNEXT

Keep in mind, the new Comptech springs are the same as the Eibach Prokit (just relabeled as Comptech) The drop is much more than the original Comptechs.

Originally Posted by peiqinglong

Springs.

There truly is no better or best springs IMO. It's more about what works the best for your situation. Each springs have their pluses and minuses.

Comptech Springs.

Nice and basic spring for the "starters" or those who want conservative drops. Ride feel is very much like stock, reason being is because the spring rate is only 10% stiffer than stock. Some people like the "rake" look, others don't. Fairly conservative drop also, being 1.5 inchs in the front and 1.0 inch in the rear.


H&R Sport Springs.

As far as looks, it's a nicer drop. Ride is about 20% or so stiffer. With lower offset rims, the rears do rub/scrape. Rolling of fenders usually alleviates some of the problems, but the problem still mainly exist especially in cases when there are a lot of people in the rear. Handling wise, the stiffer rates allow better cornering. The drop on this is about 2.2 inchs in the front and 1.5 in the rear.


H&R OE Springs.

Basically this is what most would refer to as an "even" drop. The rear is lower than the front. About 1.0 inch in the front and 1.5 inch in the rear. Stiffness wise, I would say it is about 15-20% stiffer than stock. You most likely would encounter the same issue with the H&R Sport Springs in the rear because of the drop height in the rear.


Neuspeed Sport Springs.

This is more performance oriented spring. It's about 30% stiffer than stock. Definitely feel more of the road and more connected. Drop height is raked also.


Also other things to consider.
The lower the drop, the higher degree of camber adjustment you may need. Usually any drop lower than 2.0 inch will require a camber kit. The only way to know for sure, is to get an alignment 2 weeks to a month after the springs have been installed (new or used, they will settle still).

Also for some odd reason, many people with the CT springs do need rear camber kits.

Originally Posted by peiqinglong

Springs.

There truly is no better or best springs IMO. It's more about what works the best for your situation. Each springs have their pluses and minuses.

Comptech Springs.

Nice and basic spring for the "starters" or those who want conservative drops. Ride feel is very much like stock, reason being is because the spring rate is only 10% stiffer than stock. Some people like the "rake" look, others don't. Fairly conservative drop also, being 1.5 inchs in the front and 1.0 inch in the rear.

Comptech Springs

H&R Sport Springs.

As far as looks, it's a nicer drop. Ride is about 20% or so stiffer. With lower offset rims, the rears do rub/scrape. Rolling of fenders usually alleviates some of the problems, but the problem still mainly exist especially in cases when there are a lot of people in the rear. Handling wise, the stiffer rates allow better cornering. The drop on this is about 2.2 inchs in the front and 1.5 in the rear.

H&R OE Springs.

Basically this is what most would refer to as an "even" drop. The rear is lower than the front. About 1.0 inch in the front and 1.5 inch in the rear. Stiffness wise, I would say it is about 15-20% stiffer than stock. You most likely would encounter the same issue with the H&R Sport Springs in the rear because of the drop height in the rear.

H&R OE Springs

Neuspeed Sport Springs.

This is more performance oriented spring. It's about 30% stiffer than stock. Definitely feel more of the road and more connected. Drop height is raked also.

Neuspeed Sport Springs

Also other things to consider.
The lower the drop, the higher degree of camber adjustment you may need. Usually any drop lower than 2.0 inch will require a camber kit. The only way to know for sure, is to get an alignment 2 weeks to a month after the springs have been installed (new or used, they will settle still).

Also for some odd reason, many people with the CT springs do need rear camber kits.

Originally Posted by peiqinglong

Coilovers.

Now this is where we start getting hardcore . What defines a coilover? Well it must have a height adjustable springs and shocks. If it is just height adjustable springs, it is called sleeves and not coilovers. You can also get really fancy with coilovers and have adjustable shocks with them. This all adds to the comfort and performance of the suspension. Today, we'll look at the coilovers.

Tein.
Tein is a leading suspension maker in Japan. The only available coilover kit for our cars (CL/TL/V6 Accord) from Tein is the Tein Basic and Tein S/S. Both come with springs and shocks. The difference is that the Tein Basic does not have adjustable dampers (which means the shocks can not adjust the ride feel). The level of adjustment for the Tein S/S is about stock height to about 3 inch drop using the stock Tein spring that comes with the package. The Tein S/S kit used on the TL, can install the optional Electronic Force Damper Control (EDFC) which is a device that resides in the car that can allow for realtime damper adjustment for system suspension fine tuning. The EDFC does not control height. The ride of the Teins are about similar to Comptech as far as stiffness wise, and better in terms of performance. One thing that some people will notice, those who will lower their car with the Tein S/S lower than 2 inchs front or back will experience "bottom-out" sensation. Cause for this problem is because the spring rates were designed for the Accord and not the CL/TL which puts it 400lbs heavier than the Accord. This can be easily remedied, by purchasing upgraded springs. But do keep in mind, the stiffer the spring, the harsher the ride, but the better the performance. But this is one thing that makes Tein unique and versatile. The ability to customize how stiff of springs you want on the kit. The damper is a neat function available on the Teins. It offers 16 points of adjustment. From soft to stiff. The stock spring rate is 7kg/f in the front and 5kg/f in the rear. I had 9kg/f in the front. Tein also has a USA division now, so if you blow a shock, they can repair it in house in LA. One other bad thing, at the moment Tein does not offer a pillow mount for these kits. They are however in developement.

Tein SS

Endless Zeal B6 Function.
Endless is another top leading maker in the Japanese suspension market. They have different kits just like Tein that cater to various applications. The one that fits the CL/TL/Accord is the B6 kit. This is the track kit from Endless. These coilovers are very stiff but offer great performance. The spring rate is as follows: 12kg/f in the front and 9kg/f in the rear. These coilovers also offer adjustable dampers, but only 6 levels. The drop height of this coilover is anywhere from 2.8 inchs to 5 inchs. The only issue with these coilovers is ride quality. There is none. This is purely performance. Very well built. One other bad thing is that if you blow a shock, you have to send these back to Japan for rebuilding. Ask Mantis...he'll tell you. This kit does include pillow mounts, but if you want the adjustable camber pillow mounts, that is optional. Very low chance of bottoming out due to stiffer springs and shocks.

Endless Zeal

NEX Coilovers.
These coilovers were developed by NEX who resides here in California. They have two kits for our car. One is the RS kit and the other is the SS kit. The SS kit is the track version. I only have knowledge of the SS kit so I can only comment about those. I currently have these on my car. They are as stiff as the Zeal B6. The height drop available is also the same. The only issue is that there is no adjustable dampers. It's only adjustable height. These do come with pillow mounts, but not adjustables camber ones. Very low chance of bottoming out due to stiffer springs and shocks.

NEX SS

Originally Posted by peiqinglong

Pillow Mounts.

I imagine some of you never heard of what a pillow mount is or what it does. Let me assist you. For the next part fo the informative post of the year by me, we'll discuss pillow mounts. For further reading, you may wish to visit this. But for a basic run down. Your car has pillow mounts. It comes stock. When you use springs, you'll basically be reusing your stock pillow mounts. This is also true if you are using the Tein S/S kit also. So what about all the other kits with upgraded pillow mounts you ask? Well there are two types of pillow mounts. We'll discuss the first one first . The first type is just your ordinary big chunk of aluminum or whatever metal they wish to use to make it. By having an aftermarket one that is thicker than your stock one, it allows for better steering response because the springs can't "dig" so much into the thicker ones as it can in the flimsy little stock one. This is also makes the ride stiffer also. The second type of pillow mount is the adjustable camber pillow mount. This does away with the need for camber kits because camber adjustments are done straight from top. And usually with the camber adjustments being up there, it's easier to get closer if not at stock numbers.

The picture shown below is a comparasion between the NEX kit (right) and the Tein S/S kit (left). This picture shows two things, the difference in the upper pillow mount and why the NEX can never be set to stock height and why the NEX can go lower than the Tein can.

Originally Posted by HellaShookOne

nice write up, but you forgot about Tein springs

Originally Posted by peiqinglong

Springs.
The only way to know for sure, is to get an alignment 2 weeks to a month after the springs have been installed (new or used, they will settle still).

Also for some odd reason, many people with the CT springs do need rear camber kits.

Originally Posted by Frainky

I read the whole post......am still a little confused. Maybe I missed it,it could be obvious,but how do you tell if you need a camber kit after the alignment has been done? How long would it take to know. And from what I read I could correct it with the pillowmounts?

Originally Posted by HellaShookOne

i can post pix in the next couple days if someone wants