Need Pix of YOUR Ingalls Smart Arm Camber kit installed in Rear of CL-S
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Need Pix of YOUR Ingalls Smart Arm Camber kit installed in Rear of CL-S
Need Exactly what the title says...I'm in the midst of upgrading my suspension and i have the Ingalls camber kit for the rear but not 100% which 2 arms they would replace...
I searched and pulled up a DIY but the link took me to a write up on a TL-S that only replaced one arm in the rear and the Ingalls kit comes with 2 Arms for each side so understand my confusion....
Any help would be appreciated and a picture or 2 of these already installed would be great![Thumbs Up](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
Thanks ahead of time...
I searched and pulled up a DIY but the link took me to a write up on a TL-S that only replaced one arm in the rear and the Ingalls kit comes with 2 Arms for each side so understand my confusion....
Any help would be appreciated and a picture or 2 of these already installed would be great
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Thanks ahead of time...
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http://www.ingallseng.com/Instructions/38720.pdf
There are 3 arms on the bottom of similar length on each side and I don't know which two arms I'm replacing or what direction they should be facing if it makes any difference...judging from the way they were designed i would say they have to be installed facing a certain direction...
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Like i said in my 1st post, a simple picture would help me out alot with this...
Last edited by Bonez21; 01-30-2011 at 04:13 PM.
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http://www.ingallseng.com/Instructions/38720.pdf
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Lower center link = #11
Lower rear link = # 12
There are only three lower links on our suspension per side. You are not replacing the forward most link. Its pretty self explanatory especially since three of the five links do not share the same joints/bushing style as the two in the Ingalls kit.
Note that the center link bushing at the body mounting is slightly wider than the other bushings.
Using the new SmartArm unit with the wider bushing, install the wider bushing into the body mounting bracket for the lower center link
Remove the nut and cam bolt from the body mount of the lower rear link...Position the remaining new SmartArm unit onto the spindle mounting stud and re-install the washer (with the bevel facing away from the bushing)
and the nut
and the nut
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Lower center link = #11
Lower rear link = # 12
There are only three lower links on our suspension per side. You are not replacing the forward most link. Its pretty self explanatory especially since three of the five links do not share the same joints/bushing style as the two in the Ingalls kit.
Last edited by civicdrivr; 01-30-2011 at 08:00 PM.
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sorry to thread jack but I'm in the middle of building a suspension kit and I have purchased the ingalls upper control arms with adjustable ball joints and a wicked tuning camber kit (part number 6) in the diagram.
I thought that is everything I'd need but after stumbling across this I am now unsure if I need to purchase these also.
I am aiming for 1 finger gap in the rear if that helps
thanks in advance
I thought that is everything I'd need but after stumbling across this I am now unsure if I need to purchase these also.
I am aiming for 1 finger gap in the rear if that helps
thanks in advance
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Its only one or the other. I assume what you purchased is the adjustable rear upper control arm?
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Not sure which design is better but the ingalls kit and design seem to be the fan favorite on this site and its also listed on HeelToe in the "Tried and True" section. I went with the ingalls kit myself...
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lowrd on tein CS biatch
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i want to go that route but if I can get away without it I'd like to not spend another 200. but the kit I got does not change toe.. so when u lower the rear... how far out of spec does the toe get??
and can I get it to stock without the ingalls kit? if not I will buy the kit. but daym that means I wasted 100 on the camber kit i do have.
and can I get it to stock without the ingalls kit? if not I will buy the kit. but daym that means I wasted 100 on the camber kit i do have.
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would this fit the 03 cls..? just wondering it says 01-02...
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I highly doubt your toe will be out of spec.
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I still recommend the Ingalls SmartArm kit though.
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ok so would you guys agree with me when I say that I don't need the ingalls suspension arms and should not suffer in any way shape or form?
I called my local parts place... JRPonline and they too said I should be fine and that the toe can most likely be minutely tweaked anyways with factory suspension parts if it needs to be.
BUt he went on to add that the toe should not suffer anyways since the car is not damaged and is in spec and the camber should be the only thing that moves which is what the kit does anyways.
is he right?
guys thank you all for your super fast replies and knowledge. you've saved me some much unneeded anxiety and I thank you all for it
I called my local parts place... JRPonline and they too said I should be fine and that the toe can most likely be minutely tweaked anyways with factory suspension parts if it needs to be.
BUt he went on to add that the toe should not suffer anyways since the car is not damaged and is in spec and the camber should be the only thing that moves which is what the kit does anyways.
is he right?
guys thank you all for your super fast replies and knowledge. you've saved me some much unneeded anxiety and I thank you all for it
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6mt swapped..smart
I am in a similar situation.. I am currently dropped on h&r race (4001?) springs.. 1.75 f and 1.5 r.. I have noticed the inside rear tires wearing more than the rest of the tire. I know I need a camber kit to fix this. Would I be cool just getting the same one as you progression or should I go for the Ingalls? As I understand it the Ingalls lets you adjust camber and toe while other brands only let you adjust camber. What I dont understand is that I thought I read that toe was adjustable with stock components.. Going down lower on Tein Basics in the spring so I need to get this straightened out before I buy new tires
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speaking from EXpirence ! if you like buying tires then dont install them oderwise if your droped you nned them asap ill give you 2-3 months max on the front tires .
read up
http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/176
read up
http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/176
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speaking from Experience! If you like buying tires then dont install them, otherwise if your dropped you need them asap! I'll give you 2-3 months max on the front tires...
READ UP!!!
http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/176
READ UP!!!
http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/176
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#23
Thanks for the clarification on which arms to replace. After looking over it again i know i must've been tired because you were right. There's only 2 arms that have similar bushings on each end...
I understand no one wants to be the ginea-pig in these kind of situations but if there's one thing that I've learned over the years from modifying and working on cars is that certain things you have to see and try for yourself. All you can do is research and make your best educated guess.
Another thing is i try not to take advice from ppl that haven't actually done the things they speak of. Just because a guy is a mechanic or works at your local autoparts store doesn't deem him a certified pro at modifying ur CL. I'm sure he has the basic knowledge but certain cars have specific needs. I've done my fair share of research on this particular topic with this particular car because every car is different IMHO. I've noticed that a good percentage of the ppl with camber kits on their CL have the ingalls setup. Yea both adj camber but 1 of the 2 setups is tried, true and proven to work. Idk about you guys but i don't mind spending a extra few bucks for piece of mind.
With that said...why don't you try finding someone on this forum that has a similar style camber kit and ask them what they think of it compared to the ingalls. Everyone with the ingalls setup seems to be pretty satisfied...well those that have the rear kit anyway...
Just my
Another thing is i try not to take advice from ppl that haven't actually done the things they speak of. Just because a guy is a mechanic or works at your local autoparts store doesn't deem him a certified pro at modifying ur CL. I'm sure he has the basic knowledge but certain cars have specific needs. I've done my fair share of research on this particular topic with this particular car because every car is different IMHO. I've noticed that a good percentage of the ppl with camber kits on their CL have the ingalls setup. Yea both adj camber but 1 of the 2 setups is tried, true and proven to work. Idk about you guys but i don't mind spending a extra few bucks for piece of mind.
With that said...why don't you try finding someone on this forum that has a similar style camber kit and ask them what they think of it compared to the ingalls. Everyone with the ingalls setup seems to be pretty satisfied...well those that have the rear kit anyway...
Just my
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This is the kit (or at least it was similar to this one) i saw a write up on in the DIY section. This kit seems to adj camber too but the fan favorite is the ingalls kit. Instead of it replacing the 1 upper tie rod arm in the rear it replaces the 2 lower arms on each side in the rear.
Not sure which design is better but the ingalls kit and design seem to be the fan favorite on this site and its also listed on HeelToe in the "Tried and True" section. I went with the ingalls kit myself...
Not sure which design is better but the ingalls kit and design seem to be the fan favorite on this site and its also listed on HeelToe in the "Tried and True" section. I went with the ingalls kit myself...
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ok so would you guys agree with me when I say that I don't need the ingalls suspension arms and should not suffer in any way shape or form?
I called my local parts place... JRPonline and they too said I should be fine and that the toe can most likely be minutely tweaked anyways with factory suspension parts if it needs to be.
BUt he went on to add that the toe should not suffer anyways since the car is not damaged and is in spec and the camber should be the only thing that moves which is what the kit does anyways.
is he right?
guys thank you all for your super fast replies and knowledge. you've saved me some much unneeded anxiety and I thank you all for it
I called my local parts place... JRPonline and they too said I should be fine and that the toe can most likely be minutely tweaked anyways with factory suspension parts if it needs to be.
BUt he went on to add that the toe should not suffer anyways since the car is not damaged and is in spec and the camber should be the only thing that moves which is what the kit does anyways.
is he right?
guys thank you all for your super fast replies and knowledge. you've saved me some much unneeded anxiety and I thank you all for it
I am in a similar situation.. I am currently dropped on h&r race (4001?) springs.. 1.75 f and 1.5 r.. I have noticed the inside rear tires wearing more than the rest of the tire. I know I need a camber kit to fix this. Would I be cool just getting the same one as you progression or should I go for the Ingalls? As I understand it the Ingalls lets you adjust camber and toe while other brands only let you adjust camber. What I dont understand is that I thought I read that toe was adjustable with stock components.. Going down lower on Tein Basics in the spring so I need to get this straightened out before I buy new tires
The stock components can adjust toe slightly. The Ingalls kit has a much broader range of adjustment.
No matter what, when you drop the car you will have negative camber. To correct that, the kit you have will push the top of the wheel outward to get it back within spec. The Ingalls kit on the other hand will pull the bottom of the wheel inward to bring it with in spec.
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Another big thing that I thought about before I bought the Ingalls kit was the other kits that replace the upper control arm replace the ball joint as well. If that ball joint fails, where do you get a replacement?
Last edited by civicdrivr; 02-02-2011 at 11:17 AM.
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well the ball joint has lasted 10 years on my car now.. so if I can get 10 years outta that arm. I'll have no problem getting another down the road if it fails...
I will be impressed something aftermarket with moving components is still running good.
but the reason I got this kit is cause I thought the ball joint that is there which IS 10 years old probably needs replacing anyways so... w/e
only cost 100 to my door which is 110$ less than the ingalls kit.. so I saved myself almost 2 tanks of gas
thanks again for all the light you all shed on this topic... much appreciated
I will be impressed something aftermarket with moving components is still running good.
but the reason I got this kit is cause I thought the ball joint that is there which IS 10 years old probably needs replacing anyways so... w/e
only cost 100 to my door which is 110$ less than the ingalls kit.. so I saved myself almost 2 tanks of gas
thanks again for all the light you all shed on this topic... much appreciated
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Just keep in mind most aftermarket ball joint boots are not the same quality as OEM, or something like Moog.
#30
This is going to be hard to explain, but Ill try my best.
No matter what, when you drop the car you will have negative camber. To correct that, the kit you have will push the top of the wheel outward to get it back within spec. The Ingalls kit on the other hand will pull the bottom of the wheel inward to bring it with in spec.
No matter what, when you drop the car you will have negative camber. To correct that, the kit you have will push the top of the wheel outward to get it back within spec. The Ingalls kit on the other hand will pull the bottom of the wheel inward to bring it with in spec.
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On ebay for much cheaper, but is this the kit I'd need in the rear (#38720?) I'm on Tein Basics
http://www.ingallseng.com/38720-smar...-bushings.html
http://www.ingallseng.com/38720-smar...-bushings.html
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BUT
you might actually through it geometry SO FAR out of whack, that the suspension actually binds up, and limits the achievable travel (there is some give in the other rubber bushings)
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