JRock

93V or better
fit a 7" rim
all-season
better than stock tires
wear rating 280 or better
preferably 225/45 with rotation close to 818rpm.

Anything fit that criterea?

The three choices TireRack brings up - none of them meet our weight requirement:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...peed_rating=ZR

Useless.

Scooter

unless i missed something, the Pilot Sport A/S is prob the closest yer gonna find to this criteria

u can go for the 225/50/17's which r 94 rated w/ rotation @ 795

or u can go for the 225/45/17's which r 90 rated w/ rotation @ 829

wear rating is 400

my 225's still feel/grip great after 7 months...wet weather traction is so good, i can pretty much ride normally/corner normally with confidence

the exposure to snow has been light but effective...looking forward to this coming winter for thorough testing

Scooter

- the Pirelli P7K has a 320 treadware rating, 225/45/17's 91 rated @ 836 rotation

- Sumitomo HTR+ has 360 rating, 225/45/17's 90 rated @ 834 rotation

these r the only 2 that come somewhat close to yer criteria after searching around

Bluto

The Michelin website says 225/45, 225/50, and 235/45 Pilot A/S will fit. Stopped by Costco. They said the same thing. About $850 out the door, 2 days to get the tires in. I'll probably go with the 235s.

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Try SP5000 I heard excllent feeback on those A/S

Scrib

Pilot A/S are great tires... Grippy enough for my needs. Quiet. I got em' cheap too.

Loseit

iTrader: (1)

how cheap...and where?

Scooter

they don't come close to fulfilling the requirements specified above unfortunately

Scooter

$200 a pop from TireRack

TypeSKid

j, its bout damn time!!! :P


As far as I've heard, the pilot sports are gonna be the way to go for all season performance. Also, don't buy from tirerack, they sell "junk" tires, or reprocessed shiat. It's not brand new, this is what I've always heard as to why they can offer lower pricing.

Call around. I got my tires from a place in silver spring, it's on brookville road, the # of the place is 301-585-2740.

Radial Tire Company, call and ask for Sam, and get a price from him.
They do GREAT work, and I always see some HOT cars when I stop in. Everybody I know has gotten tires there, all the VDUB guys, lex guys, benz/bmw's, etc. They do all makes here. I even saw a modena in there when i was getting mine put on. (The place looks ghetto as shiat though!
They do free rotations too, and also only charged $9/tire to mount/balance.

Post your impressions, cuz I have summer tires on right now, and I may need to switch to some all seasons if I don't end up driving my girls rover for the winter....

Dave

First snowfall experience and a big thumbs up to the Sumitomo HTR+, 235-45-17. As far as I know it meets your requirments and
is superior to the stock tire in every way. I looked at the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S, but couldn't pull the trigger becuause of the price and back order status. I have been getting tires from Tire Rack for a few years now and have been extremely satisfied.

Slimey

How come the CL-P has a 91 rated tire and the CL-S has a 93 rated tire?

Do the load ratings imply more then just the weight the tire can carry? Does it also have to do with performance (sidewall stiffness)? Are there any negatives in putting a lower load rated tire on the car (I would doubt the difference between 91 and 93 are that significant)?

Curb weight:
CL - P 3470 lbs (1574 kg)
CL - S Auto 3510 lbs (1592 kg)
CL - S Manual 3446 lbs (1563 kg)

My manual weighs less then the P, why am I 'required' to use a 93 load rated tire? The difference between the heavy and low weight is only 40 lbs (18 kg).

SILVERADO

I have the htr's and like them very much. went with 215-50-17's. bought them from sears for $488. they matched tirerack's price. mileage has decrease 1-2 mpg. i don't think the 93 xl load is significant.

Jbusiness

iTrader: (1)

I am in the market for the same tire (pilot sport A/S). Michellin recommends at least a 7.5" rim for the 235/45/17. so does that mean 225/45/17 only way to go?

SinnedTL

You might consider the Falken Ziex 512 in 225/45/17 (XL Load Rating) which has a 94W weight rating with 360 TreadWear with A in Traction and A in Temperature, they are also All Season performers...Tirerack doesn't carry Falkens but they can be found relatively easily...they go for $102 at www.tires.com with free shipping to boot...might want to consider these, they are gonna be my next set for sure...btw Treadwear rating listed on www.tires.com is incorrect, according to www.falkentire.com, they are 360 AA and other places say it is also 360 treadwear so don't be alarmed...


Den

EricL

I'd sure like some info to back up what you’re saying...

I've bought tires from a bunch of different vendors and the tires that have come from Tire Rack have performed flawlessly. Other members have purchased from them, and seem to be quite happy.

I hope your not suggesting that because Tire Rack sells at a low price they must be selling ersatz tires. I’ve managed to get the same pricing from local vendors and the tires were perfect.

I also got my SSRs via a vendor locally that needed to buy the wheels from Tire Rack. I talked to the US distributor for the SSRs and they go straight to Tire Rack and they are NOT seconds!

Tire Rack may get a bit "goofy" about some issues, but if you know that they are dumping 2nd rate tires out the door, that is something that is of great import…


RE: Pilot A/S – IMO, the 225/50-17 and/or 235/45-17 should work and seem to be a top choice in all-season...

JRock

Exactly. No one seems to notice or care about the 93 weight requirement. NOne of the tires I saw listed at Tire Rack meet the WEIGHT REQUIREMENT in 225/45.

WTF.

I'd like to get a slightly wider tire than the 215s on the car from the factory. But I want something that is made for a 7" rim. Apparently that's too much to ask for.

And I need tires SOON. Argh.

Scooter

u blind or somethin???

u already got like 3 votes for the Pilot Sport A/S

the 225/50/17 is THE closest to the specs yer lookin for, NOT the 225/45/17

Collective27

I also am looking to get new tires also....im considering the Pilot Sport A/S, but am also considering the regular variety pilot sports beacuse i got the legend to take out in rainy/snowey weather....im VERY BAD when it comes to all the diferent tire ratings/numbers, its all just a blur to me, so if i was to get the all seasons, the 225/50/17 are the closest fit to the stock rims?....also what do u guys think of the regualr pilot sports and what size for them is the closest fit? Thanks alot

SinnedTL

Hey JRock, Falken has the Ziex-512 in the tire size 225/50/17 with a loading rating of 94V...the tire looks aggressive also, although I can't argue with the fact that the Pilot Sport A/S are a good tire, I don't know if I would spend the 200+ price tag on them...just my opinion...

InfernoTLS

I got the Ventus Sport K104s but the are 91s, not 93s. Hope they hold. Good thing I'm a skinney-assed bastard!!! I like them but anything was going to be better than stock.

lou_RENAMED

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S in 235/45 ZR 17. Treadwear 400, Traction AA, Temp. A, 93 Y load rating, I have them and they rock. Only downside is they are uni-directional so you can only rotate front to back but any serious tire is uni-directional. What are you waiting for and while your at it get the SSR Comp. that weigh about 13 lbs. a rim and then talk to me about traction.


Wheels SSR at Tire Rack= $379 a wheel
Tires Michelin at Costco =$215 a tire installed and balanced with road-hazard free so if you get a nail in it Costco gives you a new tire cause you can't repair a Z rated tire, I mean you can but I wouldn't go 148 mph on that repaired tire.

EricL

91 is not going to kill you...

1/2" over the rim size is not a problem with 90% of the tires (a member had problems with some 235/45-17 Dunlops).

If you were think 88s, I'd be giving you the "be careful at speed and with loads" rap (heat + loaded car + high speeds).

The CLS came with a 93 XL tire and there was a while when Tire Rack wouldn't even consider a 93 SL tire replacement. (A few people don't believe me, but Acura Care also said that I'd need to stick with 93 XL tires)

However, there are plenty of people running 91V,Z (W,V) on their cars and I haven't heard of a problem related to load rating.

If you happen to "like" a tire with a high load rating (Toyo 235/45-17 with a 97W rating) – fine. Get it. I think you would be fine with a 91 rated tire (if you were dead set on it), and the only issue could result if you had a blowout or problem that resulted from Acura part (rim/etc.) + Tire. You would be below the "recommended spec" and could have a "possible" hassle regarding responsibility/liability. I've yet to see this come up. And, if you were leasing the car and needed to return it, they could hassle you over a tire with different rolling radius and load rating (emphasis on "could").

You have two excellent choices in the Pilot A/S: 225/50-17 and 235/45-17!

JRock

Yeah great but suddenly I'm up from $105/tire to $200/tire.

Fuck that I think I'm just buying the Yokohamas. They meet all the requirements safely and they have a close rpm and a decent price. I'd rather drive slower in snow than have to pay twice as much for something that legally doesn't even meet the requirements of the weight/rim.

Also, how is 225/50 closer than 225/45, or did you mean just with the Pilot A/S, Scooter?

Scrib

I got my Pilot A/S tires for $650 mounted/balanced/etc at Costco.

Basically, a guy came in several months prior to me and order a set of 225/50/17s for his car. He put a deposit down... When the tires came in, he decided he didn't want them. So Costco decided to hang on to them... And the just sat there on the floor. No one wanted to spend that much on tires.

So after about three months, they got knocked down to the price I bought them at. Costco said they just wanted to get rid of them.

I got lucky...

Scooter

yes, what i meant to say was the Pilot Sport A/S 225/50 is closer to the specs u were looking for vs. the Pilot Sport A/S 225/45

fact is u can probably go with 3 different Pilot Sport A/S combinations (225/50, 225/45, 235/45) just fine...i take the standpoint of how much of an offset to the speedo/odo will the tires cause...not only r the 225/50's the closest to your criteria, but they will offset yer speedo/odo the least as well...which means a realistic speed as well as realistic mileage, so that helps in the long run for valuation purposes

TypeSKid

RESPONSE TO ERIC L:


That's a known fact. I've read it multiple places. They don't sell BRAND new tires. They are leftovers from the factory that they purchase at lower prices-wholesale.

Why do you think so many people have had problems with bubbling and other fit and form issues with tires purchased from there?

Also, why would they be able to offer tires at a lower rate than ANYWHERE else??? Granted they buy in mass quantities, they're still gotta be making their buck somewhere, right?

A friend back home worked for the YOKOHOMA plant as an area manager in Roanoke Virginia. He told me NUMEROUS times that tirerack, and multiple other vendors have contracts with all tire makers in order to purchase leftovers and whatnot.

gsrblack

So if Tirerack buys leftovers...and since Discount Tire pretty much matches their prices, does it mean Discount Tire also buys these leftovers?

TypeSKid

Yeah, there are MULTIPLE vendors. Why else would they call themselves DISCOUNT tire?!
Typically, the majority of the vendors who sell at a discounted rate are online stores.


They keep a low stock, and buy based on forecasts and projections. If they buy for cheap, and sell for cheap, how else would they make money if they weren't leftovers? Tires that don't make the cut to be sold to authorized dealer locations or to be put on brand new vehicles are sold off to discount tire, tirerack.com, etc.

EricL

If you have the sources, please post the links here.


Are you telling me that they are selling AVS ES-100s that are not brand new? And the S-03s that are not brand new? And other brand-new model tires that are only now showing up on the shelves of local dealers?

Your statement belies the rest of your argument(s).

I called them and they admitted that they buy “closeouts” on certain tires that are no longer available. If you look, you can probably call around and figure out which tires these are as they are no longer in production. I got a pretty candid answer from Tire Rack and he said, “We are a large chain and inspect certain tires that are being closed out … they are no older than 2-years old … allow an extra 6-months of aging for the factory [the time that they would be sitting around the factory]” (So, is 2.5 years-old too old for a tire that is hard to find, but is still a great tire that is no longer listed on the maker’s web page/tire selector?)

I’ve seen problems with bubbling in tires that were not purchased from them and they were brand new tires. You are starting to form a conclusion without sufficient evidence. I get my tires all over the map, and my Toyos did not come from Tire Rack.

Mention a member who had a fit and form issue with a particular model that was corrected by going to a local tire vendor and getting the same make and model. I would be rather interested in this.

A little story: I have a friend that used to work for one of the largest appliance discount stores in Los Angeles. He left when things got weird (new owners had taken over the store and were not very nice people). I used to ask him how he could constantly kick the snot out of pricing at much larger stores, and they would drive up with a truck full of CASH and buy the stuff at nTH + 1 column (IOW, they bought stuff at prices that were not on any wholesale price sheet!). With increasing volume and certain inducements, volume buyers get stuff at prices that you will never see on a wholesale price sheet (I got to look at them and I bought stuff at retail that was at price below the lowest price listed on the wholesale sheet [below last column]). So, the new stuff was bought in quantity and with CASH (not credit). They also bought closeouts that were a few months old – I bought some stuff and it’s still working a decade later.

I always had other local vendors telling me that their stuff was factory refurbished. Their "proof" was similar to yours -- they claimed that they couldn't get the stuff I was getting at wholesale and also claimed that had insiders that knew that the stuff was junk...

Well, they have been rated by JD Powers for satisfaction, and in my mind you’ve turned what can be an opportunity (to buy certain tires that other people can’t get anymore: discontinued/close-outs) into an claim that all the tires they are OLD (not BRAND NEW).

SinnedTL

Simply put, TypeSKid, You got

TypeSKid

not at all.


I know these things for a fact, and I could give a fuck if someone over the internet doesn't believe them.

Maximized

How come nobody has mentioned the BFGoodrich G-force KWDS's in 235/45/17. These are the best all seasons out factoring in cost. I got mine for 110 a tire and they are amazing.

Maximized

Where do you come up with this shit?? If you actually believe what you posted before, you are gullible. Tirerack sells new tires end of story.

You wanna know why their tires are cheaper....simple business. They buy in bulk and are mail order, which cuts down on cost greatly.

TypeSKid

JRock

So really I have no affordable choices for all-season tires that meet the car's requirements...?

I guess I'll stick with the stockers a little longer and switch to Yokos once the weather gets better.

Scooter

u can't put a price on safety

acura_service

your wrong, i've been to the tire rack, the reason they are cheap is because they buy thousands of tires at a clip from the mfg's, its called whoesale volume discount

also ask your local acura store if they deal with dealertire
www.dealertire.com they give good prices and have just about any of the better name brand tires in stock - i'm pretty sure they are dealer direct only, no retail business

Nashua_Night_Hawk

most of local tires places will order from tirerack if they are out of stock (town fair tire) if the tire is in stock they wil match the price....

Collective27

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