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Old 05-16-2005, 09:11 AM
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UPSETTING DAY YESTERDAY 220 hp with a charger??

well i went to a car show i normally judge this past sunday and found out they had a dyno you could run... well i step up and let it rip 3 times in third gear,.......well actually he tried to make me pull in fourth but i told him that wasnt right......so three pulls later and here are the results

max horsepower 220
max tourque 199


quarter mile at 14.4 with a 1.3 reaction time

he was like "wana run the quarter? " then yelled go

im a little upset right now my mods are......

comptech- supercharger-ice box- header- down pipe- stock boost pulley

greddy evolution exaust

and thats it for the motor!! can anyone help here or did this dyno guy not know what was going on.....i will post the papers today i just have to scan them

need help here located in NY
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Originally Posted by 1quickCLtypeS
well i went to a car show i normally judge this past sunday and found out they had a dyno you could run... well i step up and let it rip 3 times in third gear,.......well actually he tried to make me pull in fourth but i told him that wasnt right......so three pulls later and here are the results

max horsepower 220
max tourque 199


quarter mile at 14.4 with a 1.3 reaction time

he was like "wana run the quarter? " then yelled go

im a little upset right now my mods are......

comptech- supercharger-ice box- header- down pipe- stock boost pulley

greddy evolution exaust

and thats it for the motor!! can anyone help here or did this dyno guy not know what was going on.....i will post the papers today i just have to scan them

need help here located in NY
Look at the A/F curve......there may be a problem there, perhaps running REALLY lean
Old 05-16-2005, 01:27 PM
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Flywheel vs Wheels

Is your issue really that the dyno measured at the wheels, while everyone talks about HP at the flywheel? What is the stock HP at the rear wheels?
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Originally Posted by Johnpetes
Is your issue really that the dyno measured at the wheels, while everyone talks about HP at the flywheel? What is the stock HP at the rear wheels?
Stock hp at the rear wheels??? 0. Sorry I had to.

At the front wheels I think 197-205 is what I keep reading though others are getting more.
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Is the ESM connected correctly, and the voltage is right. My first dyno with the SC I had 218 whp, 200 trq... The belt was also slipping which needed to be tightened.
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wow good info so far guys.....they did not monitor my af during the run......im getting gauges asap and looking for someone to install them ..... i hope this doesnt sound corny but what is the "ESM" ??? thanks guys!!!
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ESM or belt slip issue for sure.
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Originally Posted by 1quickCLtypeS
wow good info so far guys.....they did not monitor my af during the run......im getting gauges asap and looking for someone to install them ..... i hope this doesnt sound corny but what is the "ESM" ??? thanks guys!!!

the ESM is part of the comptech kit which prevents the ECU from retarding the timing when it see's boost.
Old 05-17-2005, 05:04 PM
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oooo ok thank for the info guys....for starters im getting a boost gauge...upgraded pulley and a fuel pressure gauge.... then i should learn more im hoping....any other mods i should look into ?
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You should really figure out the problem before upgrading your pulley.

Definitely look into the ESM and belt. Make sure the ESM is SOLDERED, not crimped on. The belt should not slip and be properly tightened.

Boost Gauge
Fuel Gauge
A/F Monitor

Here is my A/F:
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NiteQuill how did that run ya... Looking into getting an A/F Monitor
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they dynoed your car without a A/F moniter? wow.

dont bohter getting a narrowband A/F gauge.. they are basically useless for performance tuning. AEM UGEO wideband is what i swear by, and its a normal gauge, so its easy to mount on a pillar etc.


and a 14.4 1/4 mi?.. i sure HOPE that isnt right.

1. get a wideband
2. get fuel control
3. tune it
4. go back to a good dyno that will fine tune the 10% you cant tune on the street with the wideband.
5. post what your car ACTUALLY makes
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Originally Posted by CLater
they dynoed your car without a A/F moniter? wow.
It's a portable dyno... they usually don't have the capability to monitor A/F. Also, this was for a dyno competition, they aren't looking for tuning numbers, just peak dyno/torque numbers.



and a 14.4 1/4 mi?.. i sure HOPE that isnt right.
That's about right for 220whp. And remember, that run was done on the dyno i'm assuming. If it was done at the track and his car is only making 220whp, then 14.4 is dead on.

1. get a wideband - No Need
2. get fuel control - No Need
3. tune it - No Need other than minor ESM voltage adjustments and/or FPR adjustments
4. go back to a good dyno that will fine tune the 10% you cant tune on the street with the wideband. - No proof that the dyno he was on was a "bad" dyno. Oh and 10% Where'd you pull that number from?
5. post what your car ACTUALLY makes - If he runs 14.4 then he ACTUALLY makes 220whp Although he shoud be closer to 260whp with his mods









Do you have boost or fuel pressure gauges? If so what are they reading? Sounds to me like you need to check the belt. If it was an ESM issue your car probably wouldn't even make 220whp. If you could post the plot that would also help us out.
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Originally Posted by babyblue
NiteQuill how did that run ya... Looking into getting an A/F Monitor

Depends if you buy the DIY kit or the kit already for install:

http://www.techedge.com.au/

I purchased the AEM Gauge type UEGO though.
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ok..... i hate to sound so cliche" but where is the esm....next if the belt was slipping i should change the belt....correct? ... .if true where do i buy the belt and what is the best one you can buy....also i ran 14.4 with a 1.25 reaction time.... anyone in new york around me ..... im located in orange county
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