what would you offer?
03-17-2003 | 10:40 PM
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robb m.
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what would you offer?
If you saw my car for sale, with the following mods, what would you offer as a fair price? The car is a 2002 with about 6000 miles on it.
Exterior Mods:
-Honda Inspire Conversion (Grille, Airbag, Badging, Door Sills)
-Cleared Headlights
-6000k Low Beam HIDS
-6000k HID Fog Lights
-Shaved Door handles
-Custom Molded factory body kit
-Custom Painted Grille Insert
-Custom Ghost Flame Job
-Custom Full Repaint with LOTS OF GLOSS
-19x8" Advan Model 5 Rims
-235/30/19 Toyo Rubber Bands
-Anodized Blue Advan Lug Nuts
-Full 5% Tint, front, rear, windshield
-No Front Plate
Engine/Performance Mods:
-Comptech Headers
-Comptech Exhaust
-Extrude Honed Intake Manifold
-Spoon Lower Temp Thermostat
-Spoon High Pressure Radiator Cap
-AEM Cold Air Intake-Blue
-APEXi V-AFC Controller
-Denso Iridium Plugs
Suspension and Braking Mods:
-Zeal Function B6 Coil Overs
-Brembo 13" BIG Brake Kit
-Comptech Front and Rear Sway bars
-Cusco Upper Front Strut Bar
-Cusco Lower Front Tie Bar
(-Cusco Lower Rear Tie Bar)
Audio/Video and Computer:
-Alpine CDA-7990 AM/FM CD Head Unit
-Alpine PXA-H9000 Multimedia Manager
-Alpine F#1 Status System Display
-Alpine centre channel amp
-Soundstream DaVinci Amplifier
-Image Dynamics CTX 5 1/4 inch centre channel speaker
-Focal Utopia 165W front speaker
-Focal Utopia 136W rear speaker
-2 12" Image Dynamics IDMAX DVC Subs
-Alpine DHA-S680 DVD Changer
-Alpine KCE-420V A/V switcher
-Alpine NVE-N851 Navigation system DVD
-Alpine TUE-T011A TV tuner with antenna
-Tsunami Battery Top PP2001-PT
-Sony Playstation 2
-Alpine TME-M790 front motorized 7" screen
-2 Santeca 6.4" Monitors in the Headrests
-1 Computer system Intel Celeron 850
-MSI 6368 mother board
-128Mb SDRAM PC-133
-View Sonic 15" LCD
-Aopen H300 M.Atx Desktop 145w power supply
-Samsung 20 G 5400rpn ATA100 Hard Drive
-Aopen 52X CD-ROM
-Logitech Cordless Keyboars and Mouse optical
-Minijack Multi Scan
-Computer Back-up Battery with COM out
-Logitech Track Man Line Mouse
-USB Hub
-TV Wonder
-VGA Convertor
-COM card
-USB cable for cell phone
-COM port cables
Security System
-Clifford Concept 600
-Clifford Concept 200
-Clifford Smart Windows kit
-Clifford Intellistart
-Clifford Cliffnet Wizard
-Clifford Digital tilt/motion sensor
-Clifford Self powered siren
-Clifford Trunk Servo for 4 door poppers
Exterior Mods:
-Honda Inspire Conversion (Grille, Airbag, Badging, Door Sills)
-Cleared Headlights
-6000k Low Beam HIDS
-6000k HID Fog Lights
-Shaved Door handles
-Custom Molded factory body kit
-Custom Painted Grille Insert
-Custom Ghost Flame Job
-Custom Full Repaint with LOTS OF GLOSS
-19x8" Advan Model 5 Rims
-235/30/19 Toyo Rubber Bands
-Anodized Blue Advan Lug Nuts
-Full 5% Tint, front, rear, windshield
-No Front Plate
Engine/Performance Mods:
-Comptech Headers
-Comptech Exhaust
-Extrude Honed Intake Manifold
-Spoon Lower Temp Thermostat
-Spoon High Pressure Radiator Cap
-AEM Cold Air Intake-Blue
-APEXi V-AFC Controller
-Denso Iridium Plugs
Suspension and Braking Mods:
-Zeal Function B6 Coil Overs
-Brembo 13" BIG Brake Kit
-Comptech Front and Rear Sway bars
-Cusco Upper Front Strut Bar
-Cusco Lower Front Tie Bar
(-Cusco Lower Rear Tie Bar)
Audio/Video and Computer:
-Alpine CDA-7990 AM/FM CD Head Unit
-Alpine PXA-H9000 Multimedia Manager
-Alpine F#1 Status System Display
-Alpine centre channel amp
-Soundstream DaVinci Amplifier
-Image Dynamics CTX 5 1/4 inch centre channel speaker
-Focal Utopia 165W front speaker
-Focal Utopia 136W rear speaker
-2 12" Image Dynamics IDMAX DVC Subs
-Alpine DHA-S680 DVD Changer
-Alpine KCE-420V A/V switcher
-Alpine NVE-N851 Navigation system DVD
-Alpine TUE-T011A TV tuner with antenna
-Tsunami Battery Top PP2001-PT
-Sony Playstation 2
-Alpine TME-M790 front motorized 7" screen
-2 Santeca 6.4" Monitors in the Headrests
-1 Computer system Intel Celeron 850
-MSI 6368 mother board
-128Mb SDRAM PC-133
-View Sonic 15" LCD
-Aopen H300 M.Atx Desktop 145w power supply
-Samsung 20 G 5400rpn ATA100 Hard Drive
-Aopen 52X CD-ROM
-Logitech Cordless Keyboars and Mouse optical
-Minijack Multi Scan
-Computer Back-up Battery with COM out
-Logitech Track Man Line Mouse
-USB Hub
-TV Wonder
-VGA Convertor
-COM card
-USB cable for cell phone
-COM port cables
Security System
-Clifford Concept 600
-Clifford Concept 200
-Clifford Smart Windows kit
-Clifford Intellistart
-Clifford Cliffnet Wizard
-Clifford Digital tilt/motion sensor
-Clifford Self powered siren
-Clifford Trunk Servo for 4 door poppers
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03-17-2003 | 11:12 PM
#12
Suzuka Master
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From: Pittsburgh, PA
Hit up as many car shows and meets and possible..
Good luck trying to find a buyer...
did you punch the numbers yet and figure out how much you got in to it?
p.s. 6000 miles.. damn .. I guess those miles for to and from the shop and 1 trip to PAA.
Good luck trying to find a buyer...
did you punch the numbers yet and figure out how much you got in to it?
p.s. 6000 miles.. damn .. I guess those miles for to and from the shop and 1 trip to PAA.
03-18-2003 | 12:10 AM
#13
///M POWER
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From: West Bloomfield, MI
what is Extrude Honed Intake Manifold?? damn u must have like 20k dropped into your car. you should be able to get 40k for it at the least.
Make sure u sell it before the new tl comes out in the fall.
Make sure u sell it before the new tl comes out in the fall.
03-18-2003 | 12:38 AM
#18
Fell off my Rocking-Chair
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From: In a different State of Mind
I think it highly depends on who is willing to buy the car...
If he's a car "enthusiast" who appreciates the car as art then u'll get much higher $$ then someone who's just looking for just another suped up car
If he's a car "enthusiast" who appreciates the car as art then u'll get much higher $$ then someone who's just looking for just another suped up car
03-18-2003 | 12:39 AM
#19
Three Wheelin'
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From: houston,tx
Car is one of the WORST investment you can make....You probably bought the car for $30K and probably put in another $30K for parts/labor...Realistically, you sell it as is, you probably will get an offer around $32K MAX...if you even lucky enough to get that offer. Test it out...go to the dealer and ask them how much the trade in will be with all that stuffs on.
03-18-2003 | 01:02 AM
#20
Got da Internet Goin Nutz
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From: The Land of Sugar, TEXAS
I am sure you are just asking for kicks and you already have a plan on how you are going to get rid of it (if you are). Just for kicks, I'll try to guess what your thinking...
1. With the kind of money you must have in your pockets, you are in NO HURRY to sell the car at all.
2. You can easily put a price of how ever much you want for the car out there and wait until somebody bites.
3. You probably have a brother, close friend, or relative that will be looking to buy a car that you wouldn't mind loosing out on a lot of money too (Soopa would fit in this category).
4. If all else fails you will do like Farris Bueller's homeboy's pops and put it on jack stands in your own personal showroom
No doubt you have bad azz ride! If you want to trade it for a 63K CL-S beater and $5 give me a holla
1. With the kind of money you must have in your pockets, you are in NO HURRY to sell the car at all.
2. You can easily put a price of how ever much you want for the car out there and wait until somebody bites.
3. You probably have a brother, close friend, or relative that will be looking to buy a car that you wouldn't mind loosing out on a lot of money too (Soopa would fit in this category).
4. If all else fails you will do like Farris Bueller's homeboy's pops and put it on jack stands in your own personal showroom
No doubt you have bad azz ride! If you want to trade it for a 63K CL-S beater and $5 give me a holla
03-18-2003 | 02:38 AM
#22
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From: So. Cal
Originally posted by bl^5
I am sure you are just asking for kicks and you already have a plan on how you are going to get rid of it (if you are). Just for kicks, I'll try to guess what your thinking...
1. With the kind of money you must have in your pockets, you are in NO HURRY to sell the car at all.
2. You can easily put a price of how ever much you want for the car out there and wait until somebody bites.
3. You probably have a brother, close friend, or relative that will be looking to buy a car that you wouldn't mind loosing out on a lot of money too (Soopa would fit in this category).
4. If all else fails you will do like Farris Bueller's homeboy's pops and put it on jack stands in your own personal showroom
No doubt you have bad azz ride! If you want to trade it for a 63K CL-S beater and $5 give me a holla
I am sure you are just asking for kicks and you already have a plan on how you are going to get rid of it (if you are). Just for kicks, I'll try to guess what your thinking...
1. With the kind of money you must have in your pockets, you are in NO HURRY to sell the car at all.
2. You can easily put a price of how ever much you want for the car out there and wait until somebody bites.
3. You probably have a brother, close friend, or relative that will be looking to buy a car that you wouldn't mind loosing out on a lot of money too (Soopa would fit in this category).
4. If all else fails you will do like Farris Bueller's homeboy's pops and put it on jack stands in your own personal showroom
No doubt you have bad azz ride! If you want to trade it for a 63K CL-S beater and $5 give me a holla
Nice guessing! Astro - If you want to trade it for a 1st gen so you can have one of the most modded 1st gens now, let me know
I will trade you straight up..honest!
03-18-2003 | 10:23 AM
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robb m.
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Originally posted by chikai
hey....those who guessed...are we talking Canadian or US dollars?
So Astro...did they fix your Davinci yet?
hey....those who guessed...are we talking Canadian or US dollars?
So Astro...did they fix your Davinci yet?
DaVinci is Back, brand new, and air cooled.
03-18-2003 | 12:32 PM
#32
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From: Hellertown, Pa. USA
03-18-2003 | 12:52 PM
#33
Where is my super sauce?
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From: Tick-Tock Tech
This may be a dumb question, but is there really a purchasing market for such a heavily modded car?
No offense is intended: you have a nice ride and have obviously invested A LOT of time, money, and TLC into your car, however I would think there would be only a very few people who would even consider a purchase of your car. I would highly doubt that you can come close to recouping the investment you've made.
I look at it this way - it's a used TL that someone has radically tweaked. The tweaking may be of good quality and very professionally done, or you may be investing in a long road of fixing someone else's tweaking headaches. And I know the dealer is not going to honor any suspension or A/V warranty.
Modding is a part of an individual's personality. I would think that someone would rather mod a stock car then buy one already modded (I'm talking about modding to the degree that your car is - not springs and headers alone).
Of course I'm just guessing and I may be talking out my ass about something I don't know about.
No offense is intended: you have a nice ride and have obviously invested A LOT of time, money, and TLC into your car, however I would think there would be only a very few people who would even consider a purchase of your car. I would highly doubt that you can come close to recouping the investment you've made.
I look at it this way - it's a used TL that someone has radically tweaked. The tweaking may be of good quality and very professionally done, or you may be investing in a long road of fixing someone else's tweaking headaches. And I know the dealer is not going to honor any suspension or A/V warranty.
Modding is a part of an individual's personality. I would think that someone would rather mod a stock car then buy one already modded (I'm talking about modding to the degree that your car is - not springs and headers alone).
Of course I'm just guessing and I may be talking out my ass about something I don't know about.
03-18-2003 | 12:57 PM
#34
Drifting
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From: toronto
Assuming you have receipts for your mods, I'd say the value would be
worst case : $29k Cdn + 50% of value of the mods
best case : $30k Cdn + 80% of value of the mods
If someone actually wants all those mods, they would essentially save the labour and hassle of installing parts purchased second hand which amounts to great value. But that's a big if.
worst case : $29k Cdn + 50% of value of the mods
best case : $30k Cdn + 80% of value of the mods
If someone actually wants all those mods, they would essentially save the labour and hassle of installing parts purchased second hand which amounts to great value. But that's a big if.
03-18-2003 | 01:01 PM
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From: Carrollton, Texas
Originally posted by Shawn S
I wonder if THIS THREAD has anything to do with the potential sale.
Shawn S
I wonder if THIS THREAD has anything to do with the potential sale.
Shawn S
03-18-2003 | 01:33 PM
#38
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From: Hellertown, Pa. USA
Raffle it off at Park Avenue 2003 for 25-bucks a ticket.
Sell 2000 tickets MAX.
Toss 5-Grand to a local charity to make it legal and you’ll come home with 45-Grand USD.
The way everyone was salivating over the car last year I bet you could pull this off.
Shawn S
PS…. I get (10) free tickets for the idea.
Sell 2000 tickets MAX.
Toss 5-Grand to a local charity to make it legal and you’ll come home with 45-Grand USD.
The way everyone was salivating over the car last year I bet you could pull this off.
Shawn S
PS…. I get (10) free tickets for the idea.
03-18-2003 | 02:05 PM
#39
nothing
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From: NoVa
put it on ebay motors and youll def. get what you put in back. a friend of mine sold his gsxr600 telefonica for $13k. it was only worth about $7k or so. he also sold his 96 mustang with a fully built 302 for $25k+...so theres always someone out there with money to throw away.
03-18-2003 | 04:46 PM
#40
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From: Northern VA
I see this as something similar to buying a home for the average price in your area then remodeling the daylights out of it until the "value" of the renovations makes the house more valuable than any other in the area. Then if you try to recoup your costs, you'd have to sell it (on the open market) either at a loss to you (so you get someone to buy it) or you sell it at what you think is a fair maket value and it sits (because you want more than the next guy does for the same thing (on the outside) or you know where to find a customer willing to pay what you're asking and looking for exactly what it is that you have to offer.
Good olde market economics!
If it were me (I'm no way into mods), I'd find every way possible to market this thing. Obviously you're going to have much better luck selling at a car show than you would going to Carmax so put it out there that "the car is worth $X and I put $Y in modifications." You do, of couse have to account for the fact that not only does the car depreciate in value but technology decreases in value even faster (one reason why people are recommending recouping 50% of your cost in resale).
Good olde market economics!
If it were me (I'm no way into mods), I'd find every way possible to market this thing. Obviously you're going to have much better luck selling at a car show than you would going to Carmax so put it out there that "the car is worth $X and I put $Y in modifications." You do, of couse have to account for the fact that not only does the car depreciate in value but technology decreases in value even faster (one reason why people are recommending recouping 50% of your cost in resale).