What does a 01 CL-S need to run 13's?
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From: OR
Originally Posted by jtkz13
What do you run in the 60' without the nitrous though? And I didnt say 100mph couldnt be done, but your own time shows that over 100mph is needed to run 13's NA, thats all. 
you are totally correct, the cl-s needs more low end tq. to get out of the hole. and yes, 100 mph is hard to do. i've run over 99.5 on many occasions but i've never hit the magic number.
and
trapping over 100 is needed to run a 13.99ive run ~
2.19 60', 14.17 @ 99.77
we probably need 101 mph to run a 13.9x
TQ > MPG
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I would say the 3.5L conversion would be a worthwhile upgrade if you're looking for 1/4 times. The extra displacement should help low end torque. Type R put down what, like 245whp through his 3.5w/5AT with boltons right?
And f you 5at guys with your nice launches. If I ran a 2.19 60' in my stock 6 speed I'd be running 14.1's also.
And f you 5at guys with your nice launches. If I ran a 2.19 60' in my stock 6 speed I'd be running 14.1's also.
SC, please
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From: O'Fallon, IL (St. Louis)
Originally Posted by mattg
yes, it's my daily driver. through sleet and snow and down the 1320'. 
i've never broken anything at the track. and i've gotten good deals on all the parts for my car. you would be shocked if you knew how little i have into this car. $ wise.
i've never broken anything at the track. and i've gotten good deals on all the parts for my car. you would be shocked if you knew how little i have into this car. $ wise.
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From: OR
Originally Posted by jtkz13
I would say the 3.5L conversion would be a worthwhile upgrade if you're looking for 1/4 times. The extra displacement should help low end torque. Type R put down what, like 245whp through his 3.5w/5AT with boltons right?
And f you 5at guys with your nice launches. If I ran a 2.19 60' in my stock 6 speed I'd be running 14.1's also.
And f you 5at guys with your nice launches. If I ran a 2.19 60' in my stock 6 speed I'd be running 14.1's also.
but i want more streetable power. so i plan to try adding a ported TB with p&p intake manifold and injector base, followed by cams.
maybe after that it will be time for the 3.5L
i put down 244 n/a whp with the unichip, same as the 3.5L dyno, but w/ 15ft lb less tq.
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
1.9's are gonna be very difficult, imo. I only run 1.93 60's in my Mustang, and it has 255 BFG dr's and some suspension.
With a decent 60' (~2.1 for an auto), you'll probably need about 100mph to run close to 13.99. It hasnt been done yet because 100mph NA is very tough to do with a car that weighs 3500lbs and doesnt have a ton of low end torque.
With a decent 60' (~2.1 for an auto), you'll probably need about 100mph to run close to 13.99. It hasnt been done yet because 100mph NA is very tough to do with a car that weighs 3500lbs and doesnt have a ton of low end torque.
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With the 6spd its all about driving to hit 13's (13.9, that is). Beyond that, it needs work! 
I still think 12's NA is very possible on a 6spd - good weather, good driver, slicks and maybe cams/ECU in addition to everything I had before should cut it.
I still think 12's NA is very possible on a 6spd - good weather, good driver, slicks and maybe cams/ECU in addition to everything I had before should cut it.
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Originally Posted by mattg
i've pulled a 2.08 on street tires spaying out of the hole. i think a 1.99 might be possible on street tires w/ the perfect n2o assisted launch.
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From: O'Fallon, IL (St. Louis)
OK, call me a noob but what does NA mean? lol
and I just read the thread about allmotor's dyno (over 400 hp).. whats the price difference between a turbo and a SC? Cuz I may have to Turbo mine instead... lol
and I just read the thread about allmotor's dyno (over 400 hp).. whats the price difference between a turbo and a SC?
Cuz I may have to Turbo mine instead... lol
Naturally Aspirated (i.e., NO turbo, supercharger, or Nitrous)
Rough explaination...
A turbo and S/C are two different beasts
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm
Rough explaination...
A turbo and S/C are two different beasts
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm
SC, please
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From: O'Fallon, IL (St. Louis)
Originally Posted by darrinb
i think i can hit 13.99 with i/h/p/e chip and a sub 50 deg day
my best run to date was 14.2@98 on a 2.2 60' with just i/h and stock tires
my best run to date was 14.2@98 on a 2.2 60' with just i/h and stock tires
13.2 @ 104.76mph
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From: portland, or
Originally Posted by mattg
woodburn
we'll meet up ~ 8:00 at the burger king in wilsonville. hopefully brian will bring the s2000.
we'll meet up ~ 8:00 at the burger king in wilsonville. hopefully brian will bring the s2000.
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From: LA,CA
Originally Posted by darrinb
i think i can hit 13.99 with i/h/p/e chip and a sub 50 deg day
my best run to date was 14.2@98 on a 2.2 60' with just i/h and stock tires
my best run to date was 14.2@98 on a 2.2 60' with just i/h and stock tires
the chip can possibly get you into the 13's if its programmed well. but then again, i think i/h/p/e can net you a best of 14.1-.2 and the chip only adds about 10-15, which is just barely enough to do it.
from my limited experience and from what i see on the boards, the best way for an auto na to reach 13's is i/h/p chip and slicks. slicks would pretty much guarantee 13's, without them its a challenge.
Originally Posted by power3dfx
from my limited experience and from what i see on the boards, the best way for an auto na to reach 13's is i/h/p chip and slicks. slicks would pretty much guarantee 13's, without them its a challenge.
Slicks would almost guarantee drietrain disaster.
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From: Forked River NJ
Originally Posted by mrsteve
Slicks would almost guarantee drietrain disaster.
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Originally Posted by power3dfx
yes, but as i recall it, with more mods you actually did worse. not that the pulley didnt help, but that you had extremely good conditions with the 14.2
the chip can possibly get you into the 13's if its programmed well. but then again, i think i/h/p/e can net you a best of 14.1-.2 and the chip only adds about 10-15, which is just barely enough to do it.
from my limited experience and from what i see on the boards, the best way for an auto na to reach 13's is i/h/p chip and slicks. slicks would pretty much guarantee 13's, without them its a challenge.
the chip can possibly get you into the 13's if its programmed well. but then again, i think i/h/p/e can net you a best of 14.1-.2 and the chip only adds about 10-15, which is just barely enough to do it.
from my limited experience and from what i see on the boards, the best way for an auto na to reach 13's is i/h/p chip and slicks. slicks would pretty much guarantee 13's, without them its a challenge.
your right, i was running slower with the chip.
my best time with i/h was 14.27@98 in 55 deg weather
with i/h/p tires i ran 14.23@99.49 in 72 deg
i also have comptech mufflers, but they dont add any power
2.0 is so hard with your mods and stock wheels though. The reason why matt and typer can get 2.0s is because they have much more HP and torque than you and I. I have left the line at 2000 rpms at full throttle with ZERO wheelspin and still only managed a 2.11 60'. 2.0 is gonna be quite tough considering our power/weight/FWD factor.
