gmilian

the palestinians are punks, they gotta sneak attack us. we should just nuke them and afganistan up. that'll show them who's boss. critics say we read and react to terrorism. this way we will send out a message: fuck with us, we'll fuck you so hard up the ass that you'll choke.

typeR

what does the leader of Iran have to do with any of this?

In fact, can you tell me WHAT the leader of Iran has done since he came to office...harbor terrorists ...give money to terrorists ...teach there children to hate all americans...my point however is to say that we should take an eye for an eye stance on this sort of activity and declear war on ANY nation that would ,WILL harbor terrorists

Scorpius

I did all my reading in college. What I learned is this... Israel's reaction to everything is to blow up a police station or refuge camp. Wonderful solution. Piss more people off. Then they get all their military equipment from the US and we support absolutly everything they do no matter what.
Do you understand everything up to this point? If Israel deceided to exterminate all Palestinians we would support them.
Then if anyone in the US government gives the slightest hint of stopping this bullsh!t support, they bring up the blasted Holocaust. The Holocaust was 60 years ago, get over it.
What reason would all those countries hate us? Russia hates us... but for different reasons. Iran hates us but thats starting to change. Iraq hates us. Libya, Egypt everyone hates us!
Why is that? Can you answer that? Give me one good reason other than our blind support of Israel why those countries hate us.
You can't prevent terrorism. You turn this country into a police state they will still find a way to ram planes into cities. You make a better mousetrap, they'll make a better mouse.
We need to stop taking it up the ass from Israel.
Israel needs to stop this attitude that the world owes them something. Quit throwing bombs all over the place.

Why doesn't France get targeted? Why not Italy? Because they don't engage in these idiotic policies.

amir was here

hey guys i am taking this course this year... http://www.yorku.ca/rocrs/FW01/c_2647.htm

i'l post here in a few months with my input

although, scorpius is right about a number of very important facts. LOTS of people have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE how much tax money HAS been donated to Israel.

And the U.S. funding Israel, does play an EXTREMELY big role in this, in fact, it is the reason why all this happened today.

Israel recognizes this, thats why they have tomorrow named "Day of Mourning" in Israel.

You guys have to try to look at the facts, and in fact, take a look at a couple of books, and look into history.

Every action has a REACTION.

You cannot expect your country to FUND another country to fight Arabs, and then NOT expect Arabs to have a REACTION.


I have been praying the whole day for the people who lost their lives, it is very sad. I dream of the day when we can all live in peace.

Anger for what has happened today, is NO reason, to ignore the facts.

I hope I dont sound like a prick here, though I have done lots of research as well, and it is shocking.

amir was here

Typer, i think its safe to say that you have absolutely NO CLUE what you are talking about in regards to Iran.

Iran is TOTALLY DIFFERENT, and it has been like this for 10 years now.

Our new president is trying to make relatiions with the U.S. better.

Khomeini is DEAD, and the old Iran you know is too...

Do you honestly remember hearing ANYTHING about IRAN in the news the last 9 years?

mdooner

I know two in my high school alone...

kuwolde

The Middle East conflict is something that the US will likely never be able to help bring to an end. The conflict between the two groups has a history that we can't even begin to imagine. I don't believe that we can really do much to help end it. By getting involved we set ourselves up for retaliation. Both Israel and Palestine are at fault.

RedLineTypeS

Very this is a region that has had conflict since biblical times, we as a nation of such mixed faith can rarely truely understand how deep their fiath and feelings run... We here are a nation of 200+ years... theirs is a region of 2000+ years.... While we can not standbye and allow the world to manage itself and run rampant, we should take more stock in defending people in persecution indicriminantly rather then only those with 10w-30 in their soil....
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Scorpius

The problem is, none of you people have a clue! None of you know what happened this week in history. None of you know about what we do for Israel.
Don't give me this crap about being racist. Zionism is exactly that.
We should sit Israel down in a chair bitch slap them alittle and tell them to know this crap off. What do we do when somebody bombs something in the US? We find out who is responsible and punish them. If somebody from PA murders somebody in NJ what does NJ do? That don't go blow up a police station in PA. Thet figure out with the help of the PA police and bring whoever did it to justice. Why the hell can't Israel do the same thing? Find the three people who planned such-and-such bombing and being those people to justice. You do not blow up police stations, you do not blow up refugee camps and expect it to be solved and go away.
If Israel can blame all Palestinians for bombings, whe can't the police blame all blacks for inner city crime? That's the Israeli mentality right there. You think they care about the 15,000+ dead Americans? Why should they? They aren't Jews. What do they care? This is Zionism at its best.

As far as the Palestinians go. Your home is gone. You can never go back. Shut up, settle and get a damn job.

Flame me at will.

doc majic

SCORPIUS you are like some Palastinain KKK dude or something.
First of all the US has never supported Isreal to take over Palestine. It is just the opposite because I would think Isreal WOULD invade Palestine if it could.

The reason Isreal attacks police stations is because the Palastine police are the terrorists. Its nothing like Pa police getting a fugative from NJ you moron. the Palstine police would never turn over a terrorist. BESIDES, THOSE DUMB PALASTINAIN FUCKS THINK THEY GET 72 VIRGINS IF THEY DIE IN A SUICIDE BOMBING. (this is true) Its hard to arrest them when they are scattered all over the street.

Palastine has long been known to be a terrorist supporting state. Arafat (their leader) has supported terrorism in the past.
Im not Jewish but to tell people to get over the Holocaust cause its 60 years ago is ONE OF THE MOST IGNORANT STATEMENTS I HAVE EVER HEARD. 3 million men women and children were exterminated for no reason. How can you get over it. There are still many people around who lived through it.

I'm sure there are many other points
I should comment on but a dumb fuck like you isn't worth any more of my time. (well maybee later)

PS= I am neither pro Isreal or pro-Palestinain when it comes to their problems.

aeon

It has been said several times already in this thread alone, and not until now have I been moved to express my opinion on the matter. You truly are a moron. It appears that you have spent a little time watching CNN, and now consider yourself aquainted with worldly matters. The analogies you made are poor in relation and do not in any means reflect a point, not yours at least.
By the way, I would recommend everyone to go out and fill up their gas tanks. No telling what is going to happen to fuel costs.

BlackFox

A bumper sticker on a car parked outside my house this morning read....

"TEACH PEACE, TEACH ISLAM"

Was this a joke or was this for real? Not to condemn all that believe in a higher power (myself included) but religion has been the root of many wars. The "mine is better than yours" mentality will always be around.

SpetsiotakisDogs

I think everyone needs to clam down here. Remember we are all on the same team here. We all live in America and should be banding together, not putting down one another. This is a time where we need to come together as a nation. The US will punish those who did this. You ask well how do we know who did this? Terrorists. That is why the US needs to go and destroy all terrorists groups. All over the world. Not only the US, this needs to be a united world effort. To go and seek out known terrorists and take them down. Almost like in the movie "The Siege". Very similar circumstances. And once again, remember there are people who have lost oved ones. We need to pray for them instead of bitch at each other about foreign policy.

kuwolde

The quickest way to get rising fuel costs is for there to be a rush to the pumps. It'll cause shortages, which will in turn cause the prices to rise.

tel1sps

This sux... I'm still stuck at work and they say the bridges will be closed again tomorrow. I may not get home until thursday???

EricL

Note to Scorpius...

In my opinion, your mixing a whole bunch of messy politics with the acts of a group of killers who in their quest, decided not to strike at infrastructure, but at civilians.

In this case, an analogy would be similar to us having fought the Gulf War by first bombing every residential district, then killing every baby, child, and mother on the street, and moving up the chain (finally to tanks and soldiers – only after carpet bombing civilian areas.

It is interesting to note that Bin Laden has advocated the use of force of ALL Americans and he has links to a lot of people that have turned hate into a powerful weapon. You seem to be fixated on some causal relationship – sometimes, pure evil doesn't need any catalyst. I must also point out, that the extremists have been all too willing to strike at innocents when peace or attempts at peace are made. There are people that are "evil" and they DO NOT WANT peace -- they are death mongers.

If there was ever an Antichrist, he is alive and well….

You keep rationalizing the destruction, and it makes you sound like you are ready to join the “revolution.”

There were people or all races and nationalities in the targets hit today, and their families will not be seeing them again. There were about 200 NY firefighters that lost their life trying to save people. The total count is going to be horrific, and I have a feeling that a good lot of the people killed might have political views that did NOT necessarily jive with current US foreign policy.

Type S

god bless america and all of us

tel1sps

These are the times that the free world needs to bond with us to stop these people.

Al Uminum

Item 1: My cousin worked in an office on the 11th floor of Tower number 2. By extrordinary luck he was not yet in the bulding at the time but down the street. After many hours he finally phoned thru to his father and we found out he's alright. His co-worker/friends he hasn't heard a thing about and it doesn't look good.

Item 2: We went to Italy a month ago and we met a newly married couple from south Jersey. Very nice folks. While home in the US he would arise at 4:30 daily to make it to his new office in the towers. God I'm praying but I've yet to receive a return email from them about his situation.

Point of this is that in the Metropolitan area there will not be many people who do not know somebody personally affected by this attack. To those who advocate mass indiscriminate retaliation due to your unchecked emotions I hope that cooler heads prevail because this and subsequent actions will be on another level.

Al Uminum

Seriously Scorpius. What DID happen this week in history as pertains to this attack. I've been wondering why this day was selected. Aside from the fact that some court verdict was due this mid-week in NYC in the trial of those responsible for another terror bombing (Africa I believe) I cannot note the significance of this date. Can you tell us so we can "have a clue"?


Misinformation. While it is true that Zionism has the aim of reconstituting a Jewish state in Palestine, modern Zionism is concerned with the development and support of the state of Israel and not specifically a race of people. To say that Zionism is racist shows a serious knowledge deficiency in understanding relevant terms. As a matter of fact those of "semitic" backround or beliefs are a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic. Zionism is not racial but Nationalistic in intent.

Scorpius, unfortunately it is true that while someone might understand the meaning of the word "analogy" it does not automatically imbue that person with the skill necessary towards making a proper analogy. Your using the NJ police vis a vis the PA police as representing the same relationship that exists between the Israeli police and the Palestinian police manifests your illogical and kneejerk reaction to this complicated issue. (i.e. bitch slap tham alittle). How can you maintain that there exists that same working relationship between the Israeli and Palestinian when not too long ago it was from a Palestinian police station that three Israeli captives were beaten, tortured, and then if front of the world (motion picture camera) they were thrown from the upper floors of the police station. Why couldn't the Palestinian police "hand over" the Israeli offenders to the Israeli police for justice? While I will never deny that some serious crimes have been perpertrated against people by the US police I cannot think of a single instance (can you?) in which a policeman from PA has killed another policeman from NJ at all let alone in front of the world.


I'm not sure that they don't already blame them. But whether it be intentional or not I would be very careful (even though you use it as an example) here as it seems that your linking of "all blacks together" with "inner city crime" might make you look like a racist. Why not say "all Hispanics", or "all Asians", or all "impoverished Caucasians". While true most inner cities are places in which many blacks are forced to live it is also true that other folk can be found within the inner city.

I am learning much about a group I do not belong to. You are telling us about the Israeli mentality, about the Israeli sentiment on the 15,000(?) American dead, and about "Zionism at its best". Can we assume your knowledge about these things is a result of your participation in the Zionist movement or the Jewish religion? Or perhaps you belong to one of the 7,000,000 Islamic people currently living in the US who will never condone the type of attack made upon the US this past day. You really must take some time from being this kneejerk red-baiting, neofascist and try to educate yourself from a perspective that includes some logic and factfinding not only from right-wing based manifestos and Russ Limbaugh.

Hmm! Now this seems to be a nice opinion of an ethnic group. But then again using a dopey Paul Sorvino ethnic quip as a daily inspiration for life doesn't leave many surprised by this.

tankmonkey

so, jews aren't an ethnic group, but palestinians are? interesting.

I always thought "palestinian" described (or would describe) a nationality, much like "american" or "canadian", etc.

there's a lot of "holier-than-thou" crap going on between people in here which nicely parallels what we see happening in the world today...

Al Uminum

Uh tankmonkey perhaps I've been spanking my monkey too much but can you show me where it was I said that jewish folk do not constitute an ethnic group? Of course you cannot because I never did.

As to your other question about what exactly constitutes an ethnic group, tankmonkey nup, your still coming up short. There are more factors to consider when describing an ethnic group. An ethnic group is one in which a group of people can either share a common and distinctive racial, national, religious, linguistic, or cultural heritage. On at least one count (linguistic), the jews of the world may be considered an ethnic group. Since the Palestinians also seem to share at least one of these characteristics (national) than they too of course fit the definition of an ethnic group.

Btw having to explain sarcasm simply defeats its impact but you seem to have missed my meaning in my last post about Scorpius's comments about the Palestinians. I was critical of his uneducated remarks about all Palestinians.

As to some of the comments in your estimation being in the "holier than thou" category, gawd I hope so.

tankmonkey

you intimated your apparent belief that jews are not members of a separate race. I contrasted that particular position with your apparent position regarding palestinians.

from websters ii new college dictionary:

ethnic 1. of or relating to a religious, racial, national, or cultural group.

race 3. a group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.

interestingly, these definitions appear to come from the very same dictionary you've been getting your information from:

to wit: (also from the above-cited dictionary)

zionism 1. a plan or movement of the jewish people to return from the diaspora to palestine. 2. a movement originally aimed at the re-establishment of a jewish national homeland and state in palestine and now concerned with the development and support of israel. (page 1284 in my edition)

semitic 2. of, pertaining to, or comprising a subfamily of the afro-asiatic language family that includes arabic, hebrew, amharic, and aramaic. (page 1005 in my edition)

so, yes, I do think you're being a pompus, know-it-all ass, when in fact, you're just regurgitating shit you don't probably don't even understand in a weak attempt to make yourself look like some sort of expert.

and, speaking of sarcasm, al, since I've already looked up a few words today, may be you could try looking up didactic, pedantic, and plagerism in your dictionary...

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