PiMpiN wHITe Cl-S

iTrader: (14)

thanks for the update juker..do you know how much itll cost?

Juker008

Honstly I didn't want to devuldge that kinda info. Reason is because it is very discouraging. People only look at HP per dollar, no one thinks of what else it could do or how it could benifit other accessories.

Anyway the price should be in a range of $700-$800 dollars, more, MUCH more for the aditional software that would allow users to program themselves.

I tried calling back to Allen to get more info on questions that poped in my mind after I spoke with him, but he was unavailable at the time.

I need to ask if the piggy back will "interfere" , "over-write" , or "make obsolete" an Apexi VAFC Controller.

Oh u guys are gonna love this . One idea that poped into my head was is this going to be made as a plug and play module. If any splicing needs to be required the I would suggest that Opac get intouch with FROG and have FROG fabricate a module that would allow us to plug the ECU and piggy back together without having to splice a single wire.

About the VAFC, personally I would like it if the VAFC could stay and that the piggy back didn't interfere with fuel control. That way I can control fuel on the fly without having to plug in a laptop. Not only that but the VAFC is visual, so anyadjustments that are done to the VAFC, it is shown on the face of the controler. All without having to lug a laptop.

So I'll try to remember to call tomm.










Juker008

mc222

Thanks for the info Juker - Much appreciated..Do you know how Allen will handle purchases when the time comes? By that, I mean, will we simply tell him that we would like to order a Piggy Back unit and then

would I let him know what my mods are so they can be specifically tuned? How does that work?

mattg

$700- $800? it better provide some great gains for that kind of $.

the only things that matter are timing, fuel and raising the rev limiter. 7500 rpm would be nice, to make it easier to stay in vtec. removing the speed governer is rediculous imo.

types1967

i will start the group buy after the piggyback has been tested.im calling allen today to discuss price

scalbert

You should have the ability to use the VAFC for some fine tuning in the car. You will just want to make sure you are set with the Unichip ahead of time and with the VAFC set to 0 across the board. From there just use the VAFC as little as possible.

IMO, I wouldn't use both as you should get the Unichip's program finished and leave it for a particular set up. Otherwise I do suspect there will be tuning head aches!!

blacksleeper

FYI - I called Allen the other day and he said the price would be $650 and that isn't part of any group buy. I think types1967 should do some serious negotiation on the group buy with all the forum interest. IMO it should be 500-550. Hammer down types1967 and let us know. It's a piggy back with no splicing - plug n play.

Juker008

See thats what I mean, no one knows what they are really getting. Compare Unichip to AEM. Allen said that we would be able to program (if u are swavy enough) our own fuel curves. If u can't he will. AEM is somewhere in the range of 2K. Sure Unichip is not a stand alone, but it would allow u to do the same as AEM.

Frankly for $800 I would still pay. As for the price being $500 that would be the FKin TITS. Anything below $650 is a very good price.

About taking off the rev limiter, really why??? Sure it would allow u to stay in a gear longer, but u would lose time and speed because u are decelerating. There is no attainable power past 7K. U could get more power after redline if u changed out the cams to allow more lift and duration at higher RPMs.

As for removing the speed govenor. Well I guess it depends where u live. In the begining I got to 149 once or twice, but now racing SC 330ci, chipped Jettas, 850 Turbo Volvos, where distance between one another doesn't start to change till 115, then for me I would greatly appreciate the removal of the govenor.

It would suck though cause I wouldn't be able to spray in 5th. Acura has 5th tuned to run lean as a crusing/economy gear. Spraying in that get would probably make me go lean....BOOM .








Juker008

mc222

You can go to like 120 in 4th gear right? Wouldn't spraying at such high speeds be dangerous to your internals...Let alone crazy?

But If I could I would

Smitty

Okay Eric... I spoke with you today about the chip... What was the response from them???

Smitty

types1967

ok here is the lowdown,i spoke to allen at opak yesterday and said what is going on and he said hes calling dastek next week which is the company that makes the unichip based in australia.he said they are updating the software on the chip and removing some old software.he said it will be done and i said i want a phone call next week right after you talk to them!!!!!!.they are making it for the cl just finishing the chip so we can adjust timing.dont worry guys im on top of it and will not give up on you.

mc222

Thank you for the update

typeR

would you ask if it'll beable to raise redline/fuel cut or eliminate it and change the vtec change over point?

Smitty

a whole new cans of worms just got opened....cool... that would be awesome.

DISRUPTV

wow thats great...however, unichip had an application for the 98-00 accord v6, which were not DIS system ignitions...however, when honda switched over to the DIS system for the 01+ accord v6s, unichip was not able to make an application for the 01+ av6s citing that due to the DIS, they were not able to control quite a few factors, notably timing, and thus an application never materialized for the 01+ av6s..

I bring this up b/c i'm pretty sure that the Cl-S is also a DIS system, so i'm wondering how thay have been or re going to take care of the DIS issue

Please feel free to correct me since its been a long while in regards to speaking to unichip abt the av6s

mc222

Earlier in this thread - someone said they asked him and YES was the answer to both of those questions

PiMpiN wHITe Cl-S

iTrader: (14)

so there would be no point in gettin a vtec controller huh?

Nashua_Night_Hawk

If had a CLS-6, I would have ditched the stock ECU and got the new AEM ECU. This thing is a beast, it even control traction, and has built in 2 stage Nitrous Controller.

Ah for the 5AT, we VSA and I am pretty sure this is not supported by AEM!

Downside: It is a bit expensive!

PiMpiN wHITe Cl-S

iTrader: (14)

isnt it like $1000?

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Unichip is at least $750 plus tuning. the AEM is 5X better than the Unichip.

scalbert

But there is a big difference. With the UniChip you start off with the stock tuning as a base and adjust from there. With the AEM unit you have to create all of the maps from scratch.

In other words, your tuning will be 5x longer with the AEM standalone unit.

Juker008

Naw, 4th can get me to bounce off of the revlimiter, 147-152 :P .







Juker008

Juker008

He told me something about S Africa, .








Juker008

Juker008

Allan said to me that it would.







Juker008

Juker008

Not true, I am still looking into getting a VAFC. Not just to adjust the VTEC point but to also adjust the fuel which I thinkis a more important factor than changing VTEC points.







Juker008

Nashua_Night_Hawk

In the latest software release, AEM claim that they have Auto-Tune software... cool.. check here: http://www.aempower.com/product_ems.asp

Juker008

I can't agree with u more. If someone is a full race enthusiast the AEM would be the way to go, but for the price and the power stage that we are at now the Unichip is the best way to go. For some of us that are looking into pushing more shot saftly Unichip is all we would need. For others that are looking into using larger injectors, agressive cams, and a huge turbo, then AEM hands down. the other nice plus that AEM would have is that it is transferrable .










Juker008

scalbert

That sounds like it is for idle and light load situations. High load throttle inputs would still need futher tuning. Don't get me wrong as I would to have the EMS but it really is not out for the CL-S nor do I think they will ever make a kit which is plug'n'play, has preloaded maps, etc.

Plug & Play Programmable EMS
Application Part Number Availability MSRP

Acura CL 1998-99 2.3L M/T Only 30-1010 Available $1,868.75
Acura CL 1997 2.2L M/T Only 30-1020 Available $1,868.75

This why some of us are looking to the UniChip as it will do what we need, give control over the fuel and timing over a wide range of load situations. If it is $700 then so much the better.

RUF87

^

need more input . . . need more power

and need it cheap :P

Ruf

Juker008

Couldn't agree more.






Juker008

kHmER Co

this mod is gonna hurt the pocket.

mattg

it was supposed to be around $300.

civic4982

the CLS 6MT isn't one of the applications that AEM EMS is made for. they make it for the 1st gen manuals only.

mattg

i thought i was posting in the RES thread.

:o

NSX-Tuner

The price for the production units is suppose to be around $700, plus custom mapping if desired.

The $300 price is for the persons who volunteer their cars for the development work.

RUF87

har har har

Yes, MMII or MMI, which ever was supposed to be worth 11-15hp and tq at about $300.

I can understand some of the reasons behind RES not being produced, but MMII? What was up with that?

So for $500+ (Less than $650) this Unichip is cheaper than headers and should provide a broader gain across the powerband.

I've talked to tuners and they agree that our cars run richer than they need to and if we could tune that and the timing we should have at least 10-15hp hidden some where.

The question here is 25hp gains with a moded (I/H) or stock.

Ruf

mattg

i was actually dead serious, i thought i was in that other thread. it was nearly 4 am. :o

kHmER Co

L0L, you need more sleep man.

RUF87

ol Matt was just RESing in peace and had a dreaMM II.

Too bad it's just a wet dream . . . for now :P

ok, a cheesy way to bump a post

Ruf

fuzzy02CLS

iTrader: (2)

I was told the same thing by my dyno guy.