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Originally posted by cusdaddy
Lou... If you get the A-Spec TL, it uses Potenza RE-030's. Very similar to the 040's on the Z. They are summer tires only. The performance in the snow will be exactly the same as your Benz. They explicitly state that they can not be used in the snow.
I'd recommend getting a set of Blizzak's and cheap rims for your Benz. The outlay would only be about $1k and would save you a lot more than getting another car. I think it's worth a shot. I did it for the Z, and it helps
Lou... If you get the A-Spec TL, it uses Potenza RE-030's. Very similar to the 040's on the Z. They are summer tires only. The performance in the snow will be exactly the same as your Benz. They explicitly state that they can not be used in the snow.
I'd recommend getting a set of Blizzak's and cheap rims for your Benz. The outlay would only be about $1k and would save you a lot more than getting another car. I think it's worth a shot. I did it for the Z, and it helps
12-07-2003, 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by TypeSAddict
Just to clarify, the A-Spec TL uses Yokohama AVS ES100 (18'')......the HPT TL uses RE030 on 17'' rims. Neither are at all suitable for snow use.
Just to clarify, the A-Spec TL uses Yokohama AVS ES100 (18'')......the HPT TL uses RE030 on 17'' rims. Neither are at all suitable for snow use.
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well looked at getting a hoopty for the winter today. I decided to keep the click 430 for now since I love its 155 mph capabilites..
.....but I need a piece of crap FWD car for the snow. Not only that but I can use the POS to get to work and back a use it to lug around crap for when I buy my house 
I only want to spend $3K for it tho.
.....but I need a piece of crap FWD car for the snow. Not only that but I can use the POS to get to work and back a use it to lug around crap for when I buy my house I only want to spend $3K for it tho.
12-07-2003, 05:31 PM
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I would seriously at least TRY a set of winter rims/tires on the Benz before you drop coin on a beater.
Think of all the money you'll save on maintenance, insurance, parking, etc...
For the number of times you'll see these kinds of driving conditions, winter tires will probably be sufficient to get you by.
While I haven't driven in a foot of snow in my G, I did plow through 3 inches and the car was just fine, even going over over-passes...
Think of all the money you'll save on maintenance, insurance, parking, etc...
For the number of times you'll see these kinds of driving conditions, winter tires will probably be sufficient to get you by.
While I haven't driven in a foot of snow in my G, I did plow through 3 inches and the car was just fine, even going over over-passes...
12-07-2003, 05:42 PM
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Here is my interpretation and input.
The X5 is suitable for where Lou is at; a highly urban area where the thrill of driving is diminished. However, acceleration is still important. In this arena the X5 holds as much clout as the CLK430 does.
As for the impression factor, I am clueless. But then again, I don't impress with a vehicle; they all flock to me regardless.
Seriously, IMO, they both impress as well. So it comes down to preferences. In the same situation I would go with the X5.
The X5 is suitable for where Lou is at; a highly urban area where the thrill of driving is diminished. However, acceleration is still important. In this arena the X5 holds as much clout as the CLK430 does.
As for the impression factor, I am clueless. But then again, I don't impress with a vehicle; they all flock to me regardless.
Seriously, IMO, they both impress as well. So it comes down to preferences. In the same situation I would go with the X5.
12-07-2003, 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by Scrib
While I haven't driven in a foot of snow in my G, I did plow through 3 inches and the car was just fine, even going over over-passes...
While I haven't driven in a foot of snow in my G, I did plow through 3 inches and the car was just fine, even going over over-passes...
We had quite a bit of rain last week with temperatures in the mid 30's. There is nothing worse than cold rain; it might as well be snowing.
12-07-2003, 05:55 PM
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Please put your Meteorological skills to work and push some snow this way. I haven't seen a good snow here for nearly a decade; at least seven years for a nice one.
We had quite a bit of rain last week with temperatures in the mid 30's. There is nothing worse than cold rain; it might as well be snowing.
Please put your Meteorological skills to work and push some snow this way. I haven't seen a good snow here for nearly a decade; at least seven years for a nice one.
We had quite a bit of rain last week with temperatures in the mid 30's. There is nothing worse than cold rain; it might as well be snowing.
I seem to recall the last major storm that brought snow your way... Back in 1993 or 1994 was it??? My sister was in Florida, on spring break... Got stranded on the road. Sucked.
12-07-2003, 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
We had quite a bit of rain last week with temperatures in the mid 30's. There is nothing worse than cold rain; it might as well be snowing.
We had quite a bit of rain last week with temperatures in the mid 30's. There is nothing worse than cold rain; it might as well be snowing.
Sorry about that. I think i brought the cold from chicago with me when i came to Atlanta last weekend.
Most of my cousins now have the flu from that weather. You southerns would die if ya lived in chicago. :P
12-07-2003, 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Scrib
I seem to recall the last major storm that brought snow your way... Back in 1993 or 1994 was it??? My sister was in Florida, on spring break... Got stranded on the road. Sucked.
I seem to recall the last major storm that brought snow your way... Back in 1993 or 1994 was it??? My sister was in Florida, on spring break... Got stranded on the road. Sucked.
It was kinda funny how the following weekend we went to PC Beach for spring break.
I can say that was the first and probably last time I will see snow in Atlanta in March.
12-07-2003, 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Crazy Sellout
Sorry about that. I think i brought the cold from chicago with me when i came to Atlanta last weekend. Most of my cousins now have the flu from that weather. You southerns would die if ya lived in chicago. :P
Sorry about that. I think i brought the cold from chicago with me when i came to Atlanta last weekend.
Most of my cousins now have the flu from that weather. You southerns would die if ya lived in chicago. :P
The previous week it was in the 70's.You should have dropped me a note and we could of met for lunch. And BTW, I was born in St. Charles. IL. and lived in Geneva, IL. for a while. Cold doesn't bother me, just annoys me.
12-07-2003, 06:09 PM
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I would have met up with GA acl guys, but i didnt have any time since i wasnt in town long.
Born in St Charles? Was it corn fields at that time? You should see it now.. its becoming huge. I live about 15min from there.
Didnt mean to thread hi-jack. Lou, stop being weird. Carry on.
Born in St Charles? Was it corn fields at that time? You should see it now.. its becoming huge. I live about 15min from there.
Didnt mean to thread hi-jack. Lou, stop being weird. Carry on.
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Originally posted by Crazy Sellout
Born in St Charles? Was it corn fields at that time? You should see it now.. its becoming huge.
Born in St Charles? Was it corn fields at that time? You should see it now.. its becoming huge.
The last time I was out there was when I was at a sales meeting in downtown Chicago back in '94. I brought my wife and we drove out to Geneva on the way home (although out of the way). Although it had grown up since the last time I was there, about 1979, it was still somewhat familiar. I found my home, even though I was eight at the oldest when I lived there, without a problem. I think the township idea may it easier than what they have here in the south.
12-07-2003, 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Crazy Sellout
I would have met up with GA acl guys, but i didnt have any time since i wasnt in town long.
I would have met up with GA acl guys, but i didnt have any time since i wasnt in town long.
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Forget the X5, get the X3, it's got the same looks, same luggage space and yes, the engine's smaller but hell, it's probably 200 less a month for a lease!
12-07-2003, 08:53 PM
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Lou,
Just my $.02: If you like the CLK, keep it. If you want to drive it all year round, just get some snow tires. For the amount of money you're probably going to shell out to get in to the X5 or even less, you can pick up a beater (used civic, cr-v, rav4, corolla, or anything that's FWD, AWD, or 4WD). $3-5k should get you something decent. As others have said, I think you'll regret it in the spring.
I just bought my C32 this past September have been enjoying it ever since until the snow. Put over 5k miles on it already. Can't drive it in the snow, because of the summer tires. So its in the garage waiting for every bit of snow & salt to clear. I'm not even considering putting snow tires on it because I don't want some idiot who doesn't know how to drive in the snow, hit me. In the meantime, I'm driving the QX4. I was going to return the QX4 at the end of the lease, but I decided to buy it (bad weather, skiing, moving stuff, etc.) Definitely worth the extra insurance payment. My suggestion is to shop for a beater. I work for a dealership, so if anything decent comes in as a trade, I'll let you know.
Sorry for the long post, but I figured I'd try to help out a fellow MB owner & previous Acura owner.
Just my $.02: If you like the CLK, keep it. If you want to drive it all year round, just get some snow tires. For the amount of money you're probably going to shell out to get in to the X5 or even less, you can pick up a beater (used civic, cr-v, rav4, corolla, or anything that's FWD, AWD, or 4WD). $3-5k should get you something decent. As others have said, I think you'll regret it in the spring.
I just bought my C32 this past September have been enjoying it ever since until the snow. Put over 5k miles on it already. Can't drive it in the snow, because of the summer tires. So its in the garage waiting for every bit of snow & salt to clear. I'm not even considering putting snow tires on it because I don't want some idiot who doesn't know how to drive in the snow, hit me. In the meantime, I'm driving the QX4. I was going to return the QX4 at the end of the lease, but I decided to buy it (bad weather, skiing, moving stuff, etc.) Definitely worth the extra insurance payment. My suggestion is to shop for a beater. I work for a dealership, so if anything decent comes in as a trade, I'll let you know.
Sorry for the long post, but I figured I'd try to help out a fellow MB owner & previous Acura owner.
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Originally posted by cl-driver
Lou,
Just my $.02: If you like the CLK, keep it. If you want to drive it all year round, just get some snow tires. For the amount of money you're probably going to shell out to get in to the X5 or even less, you can pick up a beater (used civic, cr-v, rav4, corolla, or anything that's FWD, AWD, or 4WD). $3-5k should get you something decent. As others have said, I think you'll regret it in the spring.
I just bought my C32 this past September have been enjoying it ever since until the snow. Put over 5k miles on it already. Can't drive it in the snow, because of the summer tires. So its in the garage waiting for every bit of snow & salt to clear. I'm not even considering putting snow tires on it because I don't want some idiot who doesn't know how to drive in the snow, hit me. In the meantime, I'm driving the QX4. I was going to return the QX4 at the end of the lease, but I decided to buy it (bad weather, skiing, moving stuff, etc.) Definitely worth the extra insurance payment. My suggestion is to shop for a beater. I work for a dealership, so if anything decent comes in as a trade, I'll let you know.
Sorry for the long post, but I figured I'd try to help out a fellow MB owner & previous Acura owner.
Lou,
Just my $.02: If you like the CLK, keep it. If you want to drive it all year round, just get some snow tires. For the amount of money you're probably going to shell out to get in to the X5 or even less, you can pick up a beater (used civic, cr-v, rav4, corolla, or anything that's FWD, AWD, or 4WD). $3-5k should get you something decent. As others have said, I think you'll regret it in the spring.
I just bought my C32 this past September have been enjoying it ever since until the snow. Put over 5k miles on it already. Can't drive it in the snow, because of the summer tires. So its in the garage waiting for every bit of snow & salt to clear. I'm not even considering putting snow tires on it because I don't want some idiot who doesn't know how to drive in the snow, hit me. In the meantime, I'm driving the QX4. I was going to return the QX4 at the end of the lease, but I decided to buy it (bad weather, skiing, moving stuff, etc.) Definitely worth the extra insurance payment. My suggestion is to shop for a beater. I work for a dealership, so if anything decent comes in as a trade, I'll let you know.
Sorry for the long post, but I figured I'd try to help out a fellow MB owner & previous Acura owner.
your absolutely right about just getting the beater. I dont think the x5 would make me happy in the summer, spring, or fall.
12-08-2003, 03:22 AM
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Yesterday my daughter left the interior light on in my Rover wich I was going to use today to keep the CL clean and killed the battery . I was not about ready to jump it at 5:45 am so I had to use the CL in the aftermath of the weekend snow storm. Today is a perfect example of why even if you have a beater, you've got to make sure your "good" car is able to get you where you have to go. Get the snows AND a beater Lou.
12-08-2003, 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by hemants
The X5 has a horrible AWD system. That is all.
The X5 has a horrible AWD system. That is all.
12-08-2003, 06:22 AM
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If I had to drive in the snow alot, I'd want a beater for it. I wouldn't want to drive a nice X5 and risk some other idiot sliding into it. I'd keep the summer car for it's pimp factor (even tho I don't really like the last gen CLK) and get something like a Jeep.
A real Hummer (NOT the H2) would be da bomb tho...
A real Hummer (NOT the H2) would be da bomb tho...
12-08-2003, 06:31 AM
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Lou get yurself a Denali and drop some 22's on the bitch, get an ill audio video system and a bor5la twin exhaust with a supercharger and you will be happy.
12-08-2003, 06:42 AM
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Priced a bit higher then a beater, but probably cheaper then then upgrades you've planned for the CLK 
, the Forester XT is a lot of bang for the buck. Base MT version in the low-mid $20K, decked out auto tranny leather sunroof for about $26,4xx out the door.
We love ours. It's absofuckentivly awesome in the snow, and not too shabby on the road too.
, the Forester XT is a lot of bang for the buck. Base MT version in the low-mid $20K, decked out auto tranny leather sunroof for about $26,4xx out the door.We love ours. It's absofuckentivly awesome in the snow, and not too shabby on the road too.
12-08-2003, 07:17 AM
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Try the snow tires first.
When I was in NYC last Christmas, I drove up not knowing it was going to snow. I had the Toyo T1's on my stock rims. Man was I stuck. I tired to drive down the block & had no traction. I parked it till the street were clear, & even then when I hit any little patch of slush the car would skid. Scared the hell out of me. So I know where your coming from.
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Try the snow tires first. When I was in NYC last Christmas, I drove up not knowing it was going to snow. I had the Toyo T1's on my stock rims. Man was I stuck. I tired to drive down the block & had no traction. I parked it till the street were clear, & even then when I hit any little patch of slush the car would skid. Scared the hell out of me. So I know where your coming from.
12-08-2003, 08:00 AM
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I dunno about the snow tires...even if the Benz drives fine, you can't say that about all the other drivers. It would suck to have the Benz wrecked and nothing else to drive. I say get a beater 4x4.
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Do you think Micheling Pilot A/S would suffice ???
I priced them out and $265 a tire
I think Costco should be a little cheaper but their equipment is not so good with tires less than 50 series and the polished lip on the wheels doesnt help either.
this is the math I was doing if I get $40K for the clk 430
than I would drop another $5K making it $45K on a X5 which would be $55K
I owe on the Benz less than $20K meaning at worse Ill be financing $25 K at 4% leaving me an mid $400 for a 2004 BMW 4.4 X5 with the I drive
another thing is the X5 insurance premium is not higher than the cLK 430 if anything less cause its not a sports coupe.
in the long run I would have a fast truck that is good in snow and drives like a 3 series with all-time RWD and when it needs it transfer up to 100% of power to the front wheels.
almost same gas mileage X5 slightly worse but with its 6 speed auto tranny should be close if not driven hard. Also the X5 and the clk have same resale value so its not like Im going to something worse. Also the X5 with the 4 yr 50K mile warranty and maintence will come in handy for some time.
add up the snow tires $1K ++ a winter beater $3-5K +++insurance on the winter beater Im assuming another $1.5K a year ++ headache of parking the winter beater in the street with alternate side parking
In the long run Ill be paying the same
remember the clk 430 will never be closer to the selling price of the x5 later on...the cars depreciate more with time and mileage which will be tacked on.
I might be able to put more money down if I can sell my Alpine IVA 900 and alpine navi since I wont need it on the x
all this is just my optimistic thinking Im sure if I go to the BMW dealer they will offer me $35K for a 2002 MB clk 430 with 11K miles on it..in mint and I do mean mint condition which would change the whole situation not making feasible.
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I priced them out and $265 a tire
I think Costco should be a little cheaper but their equipment is not so good with tires less than 50 series and the polished lip on the wheels doesnt help either.
this is the math I was doing if I get $40K for the clk 430
than I would drop another $5K making it $45K on a X5 which would be $55K I owe on the Benz less than $20K meaning at worse Ill be financing $25 K at 4% leaving me an mid $400 for a 2004 BMW 4.4 X5 with the I drive
another thing is the X5 insurance premium is not higher than the cLK 430 if anything less cause its not a sports coupe.
in the long run I would have a fast truck that is good in snow and drives like a 3 series with all-time RWD and when it needs it transfer up to 100% of power to the front wheels.
almost same gas mileage X5 slightly worse but with its 6 speed auto tranny should be close if not driven hard. Also the X5 and the clk have same resale value so its not like Im going to something worse. Also the X5 with the 4 yr 50K mile warranty and maintence will come in handy for some time.
add up the snow tires $1K ++ a winter beater $3-5K +++insurance on the winter beater Im assuming another $1.5K a year ++ headache of parking the winter beater in the street with alternate side parking
In the long run Ill be paying the same
remember the clk 430 will never be closer to the selling price of the x5 later on...the cars depreciate more with time and mileage which will be tacked on.
I might be able to put more money down if I can sell my Alpine IVA 900 and alpine navi since I wont need it on the x
all this is just my optimistic thinking Im sure if I go to the BMW dealer they will offer me $35K for a 2002 MB clk 430 with 11K miles on it..in mint and I do mean mint condition
which would change the whole situation not making feasible. Thanks
Lou
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Originally posted by Slimey
We should start a betting pool on what car Lou will be driving next week...next month...next year...
We should start a betting pool on what car Lou will be driving next week...next month...next year...
12-08-2003, 01:35 PM
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Man, if you are replacing the CLK, try to find the X5 4.6. It's got damn nice numbers for an SUV, and def has a look that sets it off. Dealers might be willing to deal some on them as they aren't offering it for 2004.
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Originally posted by proaudio22
Man, if you are replacing the CLK, try to find the X5 4.6. It's got damn nice numbers for an SUV, and def has a look that sets it off. Dealers might be willing to deal some on them as they aren't offering it for 2004.
Man, if you are replacing the CLK, try to find the X5 4.6. It's got damn nice numbers for an SUV, and def has a look that sets it off. Dealers might be willing to deal some on them as they aren't offering it for 2004.
Ill be happy with over 300 Hp and 300 tq for a truck thats not to shabby and 0-60 in 6.8
but I did hear that the x3 with the 3.0 will be as fast but will have more cargo room but less fuel efficient. Can you believe it a V8 that consumes less gas than a straight 6 LD
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Originally posted by Crazy Sellout
I think Lou already made up his stubborn ass mind.
Have fun with the X5 kid
I think Lou already made up his stubborn ass mind.
Have fun with the X5 kid
I love my click 430 and it would be difficult to get one as well kept, low miles, nice color and interior, nicely equipped, and the discounted price I got.
I dont like the new CLK so this car to me can very well be a classic beautiful looking car you just cant get anymore....that is hard to give up for a run of the mill, common BMW x5 and I dont really like the interior that much.
I was trying to think practical and for the long haul but like I said only if I got $40K for the clk430 meaning I wouldnt lose that much at all unlike the cl-s $5K
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Originally posted by lou
yea thats because it will be a 4.8 with some incredible HP #s
Ill be happy with over 300 Hp and 300 tq for a truck thats not to shabby and 0-60 in 6.8
but I did hear that the x3 with the 3.0 will be as fast but will have more cargo room but less fuel efficient. Can you believe it a V8 that consumes less gas than a straight 6 LD
yea thats because it will be a 4.8 with some incredible HP #s
Ill be happy with over 300 Hp and 300 tq for a truck thats not to shabby and 0-60 in 6.8
but I did hear that the x3 with the 3.0 will be as fast but will have more cargo room but less fuel efficient. Can you believe it a V8 that consumes less gas than a straight 6 LD
0-60 - 6.8
mpg, auto - 13/17
3.0 X3
0-60 - 7.6 (M) 7.8 (A)
mpg, manual - 17/25
mpg, auto - 16/23
The V8 still owns the I6 in fuel consumtion...
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Originally posted by proaudio22
4.4 X5
0-60 - 6.8
mpg, auto - 13/17
3.0 X3
0-60 - 7.6 (M) 7.8 (A)
mpg, manual - 17/25
mpg, auto - 16/23
The V8 still owns the I6 in fuel consumtion...
4.4 X5
0-60 - 6.8
mpg, auto - 13/17
3.0 X3
0-60 - 7.6 (M) 7.8 (A)
mpg, manual - 17/25
mpg, auto - 16/23
The V8 still owns the I6 in fuel consumtion...
straight from Edmunds full review There is still a choice of six- or eight-cylinder power, but this year the V8 is different. Borrowing the 4.4-liter V8 from the current 7 Series, the X5 4.4i now offers 315 horsepower (an increase of 25 ponies) and the same stout 324 pound-feet of torque. Driving through a new six-speed automatic, the new 4.4i can sprint to 60 mph in just 6.8 seconds, about a half-second quicker than before. Another benefit of the new drivetrain is markedly better fuel efficiency; the 4.4i is now rated at 16 city and 22 highway — increases of 2 and 4 mpg, respectively, over last year's 4.4i. Stab the throttle at virtually any speed and the V8 pulls hard, with a sweet exhaust growl adding to the sensory delights. The gear changes from the new six-speed automatic went virtually unnoticed, silent testament to the tranny's great efficiency and smooth operation.