Stock '03 Accord 6spd Die-no!!
04-16-2003, 05:43 PM
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Stock '03 Accord 6spd Die-no!!
226 whp
199wtQ
Hmmm.... this explains all the 14.5sec time slips that have been popin up on accordv6.com!
who sez we can't hang with the CLS6?
04-16-2003, 05:45 PM
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are those sae corrected?
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Originally posted by ModAddict
Stock,.....w/ Injen CAI???
Stock,.....w/ Injen CAI???
here's the thread for more info.........
http://www.v6accord.com/forums/showt...8&pagenumber=1
04-16-2003, 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by torqueaholic
BONE STOCK, as in, factory air box!!
here's the thread for more info.........
http://www.v6accord.com/forums/showt...8&pagenumber=1
BONE STOCK, as in, factory air box!!
here's the thread for more info.........
http://www.v6accord.com/forums/showt...8&pagenumber=1
"Yup, it's not a DynoJet and is therefore not directly comparable to what a DynoJet would give.
I estimate the following on a Dynojet....
204 whp stock 87 octane
212 whp stock 93 octane"
and also as the thread said.....
"The small spike at the end doesn't count"
and,.... 8hp gain from 87 to 93 octane,....um...ya think? I don't. Nice try though. :sqnteek:
04-16-2003, 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by ModAddict
and,.... 8hp gain from 87 to 93 octane,....um...ya think? I don't. Nice try though. :sqnteek: [/B]
and,.... 8hp gain from 87 to 93 octane,....um...ya think? I don't. Nice try though. :sqnteek: [/B]
So I don't think an 8 whp difference is out of the question...
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Originally posted by ModAddict
as the thread said,....
"Yup, it's not a DynoJet and is therefore not directly comparable to what a DynoJet would give.
I estimate the following on a Dynojet....
204 whp stock 87 octane
212 whp stock 93 octane"
and also as the thread said.....
"The small spike at the end doesn't count"
and,.... 8hp gain from 87 to 93 octane,....um...ya think? I don't. Nice try though. :sqnteek:
as the thread said,....
"Yup, it's not a DynoJet and is therefore not directly comparable to what a DynoJet would give.
I estimate the following on a Dynojet....
204 whp stock 87 octane
212 whp stock 93 octane"
and also as the thread said.....
"The small spike at the end doesn't count"
and,.... 8hp gain from 87 to 93 octane,....um...ya think? I don't. Nice try though. :sqnteek:
anyways, vtec.net should release their numbers any day now......
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Originally posted by Kkranghkar
Regardless of the other factors, there was a ton of talk about this before accord came out.... People were saying 240hp on 87 (crank), 260 hp on 91-93 (crank)....
So I don't think an 8 whp difference is out of the question...
Regardless of the other factors, there was a ton of talk about this before accord came out.... People were saying 240hp on 87 (crank), 260 hp on 91-93 (crank)....
So I don't think an 8 whp difference is out of the question...
I was told the RSX Hondata ECU mod picked up 20whp from fuel map tunning alone.
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Originally posted by torqueaholic
well there is a lot of arguement right now, about the issue, as seen on the thread, but people, back in november 2002, when motortrend did a 14.5 @ 98.04mph in the 6spd accord, what kind of Dyno numbers were you expecting from a car that performed like that, with a 3,260lbs curb weight?
anyways, vtec.net should release their numbers any day now......
well there is a lot of arguement right now, about the issue, as seen on the thread, but people, back in november 2002, when motortrend did a 14.5 @ 98.04mph in the 6spd accord, what kind of Dyno numbers were you expecting from a car that performed like that, with a 3,260lbs curb weight?
anyways, vtec.net should release their numbers any day now......
04-17-2003, 03:49 AM
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All I gotta say is that if auto 03 coupes are pulling 14.7 with CAI then a 14.5 shouldn't be too hard. I wouldn't be surprised if HOnda is doing the Altima/Maxima thing where they were supposedly different hp but SCC mag was getting better times with Altimas.
04-17-2003, 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by Doom878
All I gotta say is that if auto 03 coupes are pulling 14.7 with CAI then a 14.5 shouldn't be too hard. I wouldn't be surprised if HOnda is doing the Altima/Maxima thing where they were supposedly different hp but SCC mag was getting better times with Altimas.
All I gotta say is that if auto 03 coupes are pulling 14.7 with CAI then a 14.5 shouldn't be too hard. I wouldn't be surprised if HOnda is doing the Altima/Maxima thing where they were supposedly different hp but SCC mag was getting better times with Altimas.
The auto 03 v6 can NOT run a 14.7 !!!!!!!!
I have seen two different 03 v6 coupe autos at the track and neither could break 15.2 under normal conditions !!!!
Torqueaholic ran a 14.79 in 28 degrees 0 % humidity, ask him what he ran the other night in 80 degrees
. He was real quick to report that 14.79 but failed to disclose the weather conditions, I have seen my buddies 01 cl type S run a 14.19 in 30 degree temps ( WE NEED TO REPORT TEMPS AND HUMIDITY !!!!!!! so that we know what we are looking at )
Alll these #s are still impressive but come on .... get a real DYNOJET SAE corrected test done and then we will talk.
Realistic #s
03 auto 195 whp 15.2 1/4 mi
03 man. 210 whp 14.8 1/4 mi
both under normal condition, very impressive!!!!!
These are actual #s that I have witnessed NOT MAGAZINE STATS.
04-17-2003, 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by ModAddict
and,.... 8hp gain from 87 to 93 octane,....um...ya think? I don't. Nice try though. :sqnteek:
and,.... 8hp gain from 87 to 93 octane,....um...ya think? I don't. Nice try though. :sqnteek:
The 195 whp stock auto dynos are also more suggestive of 250HP, not 240HP. 240hp would be more like 186 whp on a dynojet. Both Injen and VTEC.net got around 193-195 whp with premium gas most likely in the tank using dynojet dynos.
Track results? Member ck2000 (at VTEC.net and accordv6.com) got a 15.3 @ 91 with a 2.4xx 60' time on 87 octane. He went back to the track a few weeks later with similar conditions but on premium gas and pulled a 15.0 @ 93 with the same 2.4xx 60'
CarTest estimates are also aligning with all of the above.
I think this is enough evidence to conclude that the engine is de-rated to only 240HP on 87 gas. Makes sense also, since you wouldn't be able to run very aggressive ignition timing on 87 with a 10.0:1 compression ratio. On 93, the higher octane takes care of the knock, more ignition advance can be run, and hence more power and torque.
The only thing we are missing at this point is a direct dyno comparison on the same car and dyno of 87 vs 93. But there is enough other data out there that it would be tough to convince someone to spend $150 on dynos just to show what we already know.
04-17-2003, 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by tool462
Realistic #s
03 auto 195 whp 15.2 1/4 mi
03 man. 210 whp 14.8 1/4 mi
both under normal condition, very impressive!!!!!
These are actual #s that I have witnessed NOT MAGAZINE STATS.
Realistic #s
03 auto 195 whp 15.2 1/4 mi
03 man. 210 whp 14.8 1/4 mi
both under normal condition, very impressive!!!!!
These are actual #s that I have witnessed NOT MAGAZINE STATS.
stock, an '03 auto should put down 195whp+, and do a 15.0 @ 94.5mph, every single time! check the endless data, on 1/4mile times on the 7th gen section!
we have mag times, and two individual timeslips on the 7th gen forums quoting stock accord 6spds at: 14.5 @ 97-99mph!
keep talking smack! one day, we'll do a couple runs on a day when my ecu isn't BULLSHITTING, and pulling timing! who knows!
you might grow to like the styling of my rear tailights! :P
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Originally posted by torqueaholic
keep talking smack! one day, we'll do a couple runs on a day when my ecu isn't BULLSHITTING, and pulling timing! who knows! you might grow to like the styling of my rear tailights! :P
keep talking smack! one day, we'll do a couple runs on a day when my ecu isn't BULLSHITTING, and pulling timing! who knows!
you might grow to like the styling of my rear tailights! :P
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha hhahahahahha...................you cant be serious........... at least you have a sense of humor.
pulling timing????? try 80 degrees !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know your kidding.
Come to union grove tomorrow so i can see your tail lights!!!
BTW , you will need to race in the 13's for me to see your taillights.
04-17-2003, 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by johntypes
how can a aacord 03 pull 195 hp when most cls only pull 191?
how can a aacord 03 pull 195 hp when most cls only pull 191?
Stock VS stock...The cls6 will beat the acc6...NO DOUBT IN MY MIND!!
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here is my take...
As a 2003 Accord V6 Coupe owner I was able to run these times.
Temp: 78 degrees
Loacation: Indianapolis Raceway Park
Time of day: Late afternoon
ET: 15.1
Trap speed: 92.5mph
launch: 1k rpm
60 foot time: 2.3
Mods: Injen CAI and full tank of 92 oct fuel
tire pressure: 25psi (bog off line)
shifting style: left in D3 with computer doing all shifting
Miles at time of track: 1,300
total runs: 2
Average of two runs: 15.14@92.4mph
Hope this all helps
Dustin
As a 2003 Accord V6 Coupe owner I was able to run these times.
Temp: 78 degrees
Loacation: Indianapolis Raceway Park
Time of day: Late afternoon
ET: 15.1
Trap speed: 92.5mph
launch: 1k rpm
60 foot time: 2.3
Mods: Injen CAI and full tank of 92 oct fuel
tire pressure: 25psi (bog off line)
shifting style: left in D3 with computer doing all shifting
Miles at time of track: 1,300
total runs: 2
Average of two runs: 15.14@92.4mph
Hope this all helps
Dustin
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Originally posted by Roadmaster
here is my take...
As a 2003 Accord V6 Coupe owner I was able to run these times.
Temp: 78 degrees
Loacation: Indianapolis Raceway Park
Time of day: Late afternoon
ET: 15.1
Trap speed: 92.5mph
launch: 1k rpm
60 foot time: 2.3
Mods: Injen CAI and full tank of 92 oct fuel
tire pressure: 25psi (bog off line)
shifting style: left in D3 with computer doing all shifting
Miles at time of track: 1,300
total runs: 2
Average of two runs: 15.14@92.4mph
Hope this all helps
Dustin
here is my take...
As a 2003 Accord V6 Coupe owner I was able to run these times.
Temp: 78 degrees
Loacation: Indianapolis Raceway Park
Time of day: Late afternoon
ET: 15.1
Trap speed: 92.5mph
launch: 1k rpm
60 foot time: 2.3
Mods: Injen CAI and full tank of 92 oct fuel
tire pressure: 25psi (bog off line)
shifting style: left in D3 with computer doing all shifting
Miles at time of track: 1,300
total runs: 2
Average of two runs: 15.14@92.4mph
Hope this all helps
Dustin
1. wrong tire pressure
2. high temperature(78 degrees)
3. "off-idle" launching!
4. miles on the car: 1,800.
:P
04-18-2003, 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by tool462
The auto 03 v6 can NOT run a 14.7 !!!!!!!!
I have seen two different 03 v6 coupe autos at the track and neither could break 15.2 under normal conditions !!!!
Torqueaholic ran a 14.79 in 28 degrees 0 % humidity, ask him what he ran the other night in 80 degrees .
He was real quick to report that 14.79 but failed to disclose the weather conditions, I have seen my buddies 01 cl type S run a 14.19 in 30 degree temps ( WE NEED TO REPORT TEMPS AND HUMIDITY !!!!!!! so that we know what we are looking at )
Alll these #s are still impressive but come on .... get a real DYNOJET SAE corrected test done and then we will talk.
Realistic #s
03 auto 195 whp 15.2 1/4 mi
03 man. 210 whp 14.8 1/4 mi
both under normal condition, very impressive!!!!!
These are actual #s that I have witnessed NOT MAGAZINE STATS.
The auto 03 v6 can NOT run a 14.7 !!!!!!!!
I have seen two different 03 v6 coupe autos at the track and neither could break 15.2 under normal conditions !!!!
Torqueaholic ran a 14.79 in 28 degrees 0 % humidity, ask him what he ran the other night in 80 degrees
. He was real quick to report that 14.79 but failed to disclose the weather conditions, I have seen my buddies 01 cl type S run a 14.19 in 30 degree temps ( WE NEED TO REPORT TEMPS AND HUMIDITY !!!!!!! so that we know what we are looking at )
Alll these #s are still impressive but come on .... get a real DYNOJET SAE corrected test done and then we will talk.
Realistic #s
03 auto 195 whp 15.2 1/4 mi
03 man. 210 whp 14.8 1/4 mi
both under normal condition, very impressive!!!!!
These are actual #s that I have witnessed NOT MAGAZINE STATS.
What point are you attempting to argue. First you say he can't run 14.7 than you said he can. I know it was flukey with the temperature, but it was done wasn't it? Why can't it be 28 degrees again?
Not all cars and conditions are created equal. Maybe if you ran in 28 degree weather you'd break 13s. 
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Originally posted by Doom878
Tool,
What point are you attempting to argue. First you say he can't run 14.7 than you said he can. I know it was flukey with the temperature, but it was done wasn't it? Why can't it be 28 degrees again? Not all cars and conditions are created equal. Maybe if you ran in 28 degree weather you'd break 13s.
Tool,
What point are you attempting to argue. First you say he can't run 14.7 than you said he can. I know it was flukey with the temperature, but it was done wasn't it? Why can't it be 28 degrees again?
Not all cars and conditions are created equal. Maybe if you ran in 28 degree weather you'd break 13s.
My point is that it WAS 28 degrees and he never mentions it , he acts like its a mid 14 second car at any time !!! Then these other guys go to the track including himself and they cant do better than a15.1 or 15.2. Then he talks all this crap how the new accord is quicker than the Cl s and its NOT!!!!!!!!! We proved it to him 3 nights ago and we will prove it again tonight!!!!!
I will post all our times tonight at around midnight central time.
I dont know what its gonna take to prove this to him, the other night when he coulnt break 15.2 he blamed it on his ecu pulling timing !?!?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Originally posted by tool462
My point is that it WAS 28 degrees and he never mentions it , he acts like its a mid 14 second car at any time !!! Then these other guys go to the track including himself and they cant do better than a15.1 or 15.2. Then he talks all this crap how the new accord is quicker than the Cl s and its NOT!!!!!!!!! We proved it to him 3 nights ago and we will prove it again tonight!!!!!
I will post all our times tonight at around midnight central time.
I dont know what its gonna take to prove this to him, the other night when he coulnt break 15.2 he blamed it on his ecu pulling timing !?!?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
My point is that it WAS 28 degrees and he never mentions it , he acts like its a mid 14 second car at any time !!! Then these other guys go to the track including himself and they cant do better than a15.1 or 15.2. Then he talks all this crap how the new accord is quicker than the Cl s and its NOT!!!!!!!!! We proved it to him 3 nights ago and we will prove it again tonight!!!!!
I will post all our times tonight at around midnight central time.
I dont know what its gonna take to prove this to him, the other night when he coulnt break 15.2 he blamed it on his ecu pulling timing !?!?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Originally posted by tool462
My point is that it WAS 28 degrees
My point is that it WAS 28 degrees
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Originally posted by johntypes
how can a aacord 03 pull 195 hp when most cls only pull 191?
how can a aacord 03 pull 195 hp when most cls only pull 191?
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actually the new accord is pretty fast. i don't know if its fast as the cls but my brother bought one like 2 months ago? not sure... but it is quick. haven't raced him though.... high end picks up real good. kind of a delay when you floor it? not sure why though.. the cl feels much more fun to drive that i know for sure
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