jimcol711

i had to share this with you guys, a few kiddies over there are trying to say that their RSX type S can beat a CL Type S because of the weight difference....ok...sure...whatever...maybe a few of you guys would like to go chime in on their little conversation...its pretty funny...

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?threadid=20574

mdaniel

I can't wait for the 1st IS300 or RSX-S to mess with a 6 speed CL-S.

TypeSKid

They can believe whatever they want.


A guy in my building has an RSX-S and I've stomped his ass time after time, off the line, and interstate.


Raise the BS FLAG.

soopa

you ALL can believe whatever you want.


fact is... 2 of my friends have RSX-S's... including our felllow member, phil2.

i race them both all the time with every possible configuration.


fact is... the cars are dead even.

sometimes the RSX pulls... sometimes the CLS pulls.


The CLS is NOT THAT FAST. The RSX is for what its got.


However, were also talking Auto vs 6-spd here... if we leveled the playing field and put a 6spd CLS vs a RSXS... you can say bye bye to mini-me!

TypeSKid

Mini me, can I have a hug?

*choke*

Thats my special boy...

Crippen

Finally, the voice of reason Yeesh, some of you should step off your soap-boxes and wake up .. the CL-S is NOT! THAT! FAST!

Assuming the RSX-S driver is pretty decent and doesn't bog his launch, his weight difference along with the better gearing should make it very close.

Yes, the 6-speed CL-S is a whole other beast , i'd venture to say it's no contest at that point. But the auto .. the tranny robs all the power.

jimcol711

stock, CL-S can beat a RSX-S...unless CL-S driver is a total idiot...CL-S with a few mods (even with the "slush-box") will easily kill an RSX-S anyday...lets be honest here...RSX puts down 160 to the wheels maybe...even stock, we have 200-205...with headers/intake, we should be putting down 230 or more...70 whp difference should be an incredibly easy kill

ThoroDredCLS

Soopa did you race the guys in the RSX with those chrome bling blingers and the speaker setup in the trunk? I am wondering how much difference there would be with the extra wieght. I had a different experience racing this guy in Virginia w/ an RSX type S. He brought his RSX in to Radley Acura for check up, and he saw my cls. We left together after both our service was done. We raced up and down rt7 and i led him everytime we raced from a stoplight.

soopa

these are my friends... i race them everyday... with all of my cars.


ive raced phil2 in the following manners.

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CLS vs RSX

stock vs stock
Dead Even.

stock vs 19s
CLS

system vs 19s
Back & Forth

system vs 19s and CAI
RSXS

system and 19s vs 19s and CAI
RSXS (by far)

system, 19s, and CAI vs 19s, CAI, & (incredibly weak) system.
CLS (by biggest margins yet)
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i also get stomped by my other friends stock rsx.


NOW... not only have i performed this race in my black CLS... but ive done so in my red CLS with X Cai... same results...

Crippen

I don't know about "Easily" -- when I had my CL-S with intake + headers (and made 230hp to the wheels), I was still beat off the line by my friend's slightly modd'd GS-R (just an intake). I would eventually catch up to him and overtake him, but I believe we were past the quarter mile or very close to it.

Assuming the RSX-S makes more power than my friend's header'd GS-R (i think so .. ? ) -- I don't think the CL-S "easily" beats the RSX-S. We've raced MANY times under so many diff configurations and launches by myself .. same result each time.

soopa

Jim your from Peekskill... not incredibly far away.

We should all meet up some weekend... well bring few rsx's and few cls's



the RSX might not sound like it can do much on paper... but i must admit it delivers results on the ground.


its probably because it doesnt have a single pound of insulation. thing is a fuckin tin can!

ThoroDredCLS

Your friends must be animals with the 6spd. Damn! I guess different experiences with different drivers. I didn't know the guy w/ the RSX so, I don't know if he was a quick shifter, or knew how to launch? I know we were going pretty damn fast up rt7, and I wasn't killing him or would call it a kill but, he never led me. I used ss most of the time and gate shifted once (not a pro at that yet..)

soopa

well considering Phil2 just blew his tranny out (hes already on his 2nd motor)

ya, their retards alright

Black CL-S 4-Life

You have a slow CL-S...get it checked.:P

mdaniel

Naw. He just needs to work on that right calf muscle. :P

Black CL-S 4-Life

Zapata

Soopa weren't you complaining that your CLS was sluggish and lost some low end power? I'm not saying the results of the races aren't valid. However, your car might be slow for whatever reason and accordingly, you are getting beaten?


Power to weight ratio the cars are nearly the same. I think the edge goes to the CLS.

cls hp7.4/6.6 ft-lbs trq
rsxs hp7.2/5.1 ft-lbs trq

The numbers are close. However, the edge should go to the CLS. The CLS can pull in the beginning then it should win. If the RSX gets the jump and the CLS is lacking power or really messess up the launch the RSX-S will win.

Black CL-S 4-Life

I've been wanting to run an RSX-S for sometime now, but can't find one willing to race.

mdaniel

A little OT, but does the RSX-S have an LSD?

soopa

yes, i was complaining about loss of low end torque in my car...

but that was recently... ive been racing phil since last July.


in either case, my car healed itself.



i dont care about power to weight ratios... im talking bout real world results.

and like i said... ive
had TWO CL-S's... same results.

Black CL-S 4-Life

No. The Intgera Type R does.

Zapata

Ok, i'm not disputing your results but what the heck do you think power to weight ratios are???? Numbers from never-never land??

moomaster_99

I ripped an RSX-S a new asshole when he wanted to race me... he thought he was going to win...I blew him off the line by 2 car lengths...and shut it off before my Vtec kicked in in 2nd gear....he was toast...game over...and no an RSX is not close to an ITR no matter what those wusses with an RSX may think. Until the Turbos or SCs come out on the RSX...my CL will continue to own them.

Crippen

Power to weight ratios DO tell a story, but I think you are not factoring the tranny into this equation. Or were you already comparing the power-2-weight using hp@wheels in your equation?

Also, the auto-tranny versus the manual tranny has to be factored in here as the CL-S' gear ratios aren't optimized for drag racing, neither is the stall speed on the TC.

moomaster_99

Actually the gears are pretty close...3rd could be a little shorter...but we hit 1-2-3...and I repeat NO RSX without FI can beat me....

Crippen

You may have a stronger CL-S than most .. ? where are you from? I'd like to see you race my friend's RSX-S , he's bone stock but knows how to drive it. At least then i'd be convinced it wasn't driver error

moomaster_99

No...I have a slower one actually...227whp...with I/H....I've raced with lots of guys who know how to drive their cars...but the RSX-S isn't what the ITR is...faster than a GS-R...on par with a Celica GT-S...I'm sure they'll be faster...as the tuners start working on the engine..but until then...

QwiQ cLs

i think off the line the CL and RSX will be quite even....but the dude in the rsx will have to shift perfectly

and after 100mph or so we will start pulling farther and farther away
but then in the twisties...rsx

mdaniel

I think it would be the opposite. CL would have a better launch due to the torque advantage. And our tranny kills us past 100.

ThoroDredCLS

Either or..... The RSX is pretty fast for a 4banger. I raced two RSX-S in the past year, and I haven't lost yet. Maybe the people I race don't rev-their engine until redline, but a race is a race. I also test drove the 6spd cls at radley and I have to tell you, if the RSX guys want to talk smack, they really need to go up against a cls 6spd. I can't drive MT like a pro but, the 6spd has a LOT more pull than the Auto we have.

mdaniel

Got that right. They should have called it a CL Type R or something. Its like a totally different car.

4thGSi

I beat an RSX-S on a rolling start in a toll both race, I was coming from Ohare Airport.

ArcRSX-S

people who think CL-S can eat RSX-S ALIVE are just too cocky.
CL-S are fast.. but RSX-S aren't slow..
performance wise, they (RSX-S/SS CL-S) are very similar.. with the 6 speed CL-S couple tenth of second faster.. but this is no M3 vs RSX-S.. so it really depend on the drivers' skill....
however, stock vs stock same skill drivers.. 6 speed CL-S should win.

BoostedM3

It's all depends on the driver. I've had 2 or 3 encounters with the RSX-S and if driven well (like you hate the car), it's pretty fast.

ArcRSX-S

wrong answer.
type-r is not just if you add a little more horse power, 6speed transmission or little of this little of that...
honda designs their type-r cars be type-r, it's not like if they just souped up any current model and call them type-r..
type-r cars began with race car concept and end up like one..
they may not run as fast as other none type-r honda, ex: s2000 vs CTR, but that is the philosphy behind type-r.. they are built not to confort the driver.. so there probably wont be bose stereo, leather seats, climate control...etc if there is ever a CL-R..
ideally, that is never going to happen, cuz CL is a near luxury sport coupe..

cusdaddy

I have raced two RSX-S's in since I have had my car. The first race was without headers and the second race was with headers. Without headers, it was close, but I had him off the line and never looked back. With headers, no contest.

I actually had a tougher time against my friends old GS-R (granted, he had h/i/e)

JRock

Yeah because the cars weigh the same and are geared the same.

typeR

again my 2 cents....no...i repeat no non FI RSX is beating me...here's a number for you i invite any rsx-s guys to match(not that its out of this world) 9.433@76.77 lets hear it....post your slips...tires my friends ,tires,...

phil2

wrong again!

soopa and i have raced from a near dead stop all the way up to well over 120mph and at no time did he pull on me. now if you are talking from say 70 mph where i would be in 4th gear its no contest the cl-s will pull and pull on me, but 3rd gear to 3rd gear its a dead heat again!

why is this always a battle with you guys? cant we just accept both cars for what they are (cl-s...the powerful luxo coupe) and the rsx-s(agile sports coupe with good power)!

BNut

Phil2,

You have to realize the mindset here.

If you aren't doing a comparision, most people will tell you what a POS, rattle box, dieing tranny, poor quality interior the CL-S is. (The usual bitch and moan you see around here)

But once you try to compare the CL-S to anything, they can give you a list with a 100 reasons why the CL-S is the better car.

I'm still trying to figure out how that works.