scalbert

No, the job of the IAT is to measure the air temperature in the manifold just before it enters the engine in the J32A2 application. That, combined with manifold absolute pressure, allows the ECU to determine how much fuel to add. If the air is heated by the engine, the density drops and would need to be accounted for. That is the basis for a speed density system. The ECU is tuned for the designed location.

I could be mistaken but didn't Acura move away from speed density and to a MAF system with the RL? Regardless, if tuned for it the location is fine. But if changed there is a basis for arguement.

typeR

yes because the highly ethical acura warned us ahead of time about our transmissions they knew full well about and they also offered to give each of us new rotors regaurless of miles...they'll replace our motor mounts for life,and theyre telling each owner about the likelyhood that there accutator is failed...the list goes on and on...oh and his dealership sell each person the same car for the same amount also giving a fair trade in price for those that have one...they never seek to get more money out of someone because they can,and there service center never tries to do out of warranty work where it isnt nessecary

typeR

the 05 RL has a MAP sensor on the TB

highroller

Ooops, broken and melted plugs are not good in any motor especially an aluminum head/block J-series.

Looks like a rebuild. I don't believe in NOS myself, too many thing can go wrong. It is hard to say no to instant power. Although if you take a second to read the specs you will see the HIGH comp of our motors spells trouble for such an instant power add on. SC or turbo are better because they add power gradually easing the strain on the motor. Live and learn I guess.

Warranty of any kind will most likely be voided. You probably already know this and are avoiding the inevitable. Sorry about your motor and good luck

typeR

ive always heard that nitrous likes high compression...id say this was more an issue of timing and fuel

scalbert

That doesn't mean anything. Is there a MAF in place as well? A MAF based system will still utilize a MAP and IAT in case the MAF fails. This is for redundant load calculation. Often times a comparison is made to determine the health of the MAF.

scalbert

So, because of a design issue in the transaxle which may or may not affect him he should get a free engine after damaging his own?

That does not make any sense.

shineynitelite

rtatsutani

scalbert

Geez, I guess you subscribe to a socialist form of trade?

Business is business and everyone has the option to go soemwhere else. I am sure you do not work for free. Why should anyone else. It is easy to point a finger and say others should bend over backwards for you, but I doubt you do the same in return.

scalbert

rtatsutani

Honestly, I just see it as trying to get even with them for trying to rip me and most others off in all other areas (ridiculous service charges and belt change recomendations when not needed, always trying to void ones warranty for aftermarket parts even if they had nothing to do with the problem at hand). Have you ever compared the price and labor hour quotes for jobs which were covered under warranty and jobs which weren't? Ridiculously different. Ironic? Doubt it. My girlfriend and I both had acura integras since the mid 90's and have seen every trick in the book from their service department and really have fell for it back it in the day and got burned. Live and learn.

My service advisor also said that installing the crank pulley OR headers not including intake would void my ext. trans warranty. Common, now that has to be full on bull shit. You cannot tell me that he's just being a moron and trying to save acura some money. How can a measely 8 added HP from a crank pulley void a trans warranty?

anyways, bottom line, it's things like this where I feel that they deserve losing the argument with me for fixing my motor. Although it most likely will not happen, it's worth the try.

scalbert

You are trying to justify your own problems with these statements by trying to reallocate blame. Look at the situation, your engine is damaged most likely due to your own choices. You are trying to have someone else pay for it on the basis of unrelated and perceived matters.

Most people think dealers are ripping everyone off when in fact, they are running a business which employs numerous people. If they did not make a profit, many people would not have a job. I assure you that they also incur serious costs associated with the services they perform. It is not just the labor but also the infrastructure.

Obviously you are trying to tell yourself whatever you need to in order to justify the actions. Regardless of what is stated, you have made up your mind on the justification, which there is none.

All Mine

scalbert

In the end I could care less what is done. But it should be called for what it is. Not sugar coated for justifications sake.

rtatsutani

Unfortunately for me your last statement is incorrect. I just got off the phone with Acura, and they said that they would be charging me $1000 (compared to his earlier 4 hour labor quote) as a disassemble/reassemble fee which I will be forced to pay just to have the extended warranty co. take a look at the internals. After he threatened me with that inflated value I guess I really have no choice. I really don't want to take the risk of losing $1000 out of pocket for them just to tell me that they're not going to cover my ass. BTW, he told me it would cost me $9000 to do a full rebuild on my motor if I went through acura.

Taking it to my local speed shop today, they said they will try to see what other things may have been the cause of my unfortunate issue and give me a quote on the repairs there.

scalbert

IMO, it sounds like the dealer knows what is going on and is elevating the price to the point that you do go elsewhere. Think of it as a godsend as they probably expected the car not to be covered and you won't be out that $$.

Also, think of the positives now, you can get a built engine. What is done is in the past, now you can plan for the future.

Again, I am sorry for your situation and wish you the best.

rtatsutani

Thanks Scal and typeR. Looking at the 3.5L build threads now. Doin my research and gonna present it to the local speed shop to get their price estimates on the labor. I'm sure it must be cheaper than $9000.

scalbert

IMO, you should be able to get it done for $5000, maybe less depending on what all is desired and who is performing the work.

typeR

dont know...

typeR

thats not what im saying...we all know the car sales buisness is probablly the least ethical business in the US...im saying they done over every customer they got a chance too...if they get done back,i have no sympathy...there's a difference between making an honest buck and seeking to screw any unsuspecting customer that sets foot on there lot or in there shop...not trying to start a rant...i just have no respect for car dealerships...id probablly enjoy selling cars and make good money at it if it could be done fairly and honestly...im not into screwing people when i can...i left a commsion sales job to take an hourly job for mostly that reason

Allout

I guess you don't live by the standard that Two Wrongs make a Right

Cocoa

iTrader: (2)

You should have not gone to the dealership to begin with. Now you lost $1,000 when you could have bought the block for the amount to begin with. I dislike dealerships, and I have my own reasons as to why. Anyways, get started on your J35 swap and happy modding! Just take your loss at the dealership and stop wasting time.

rtatsutani

No, I didn't go with the option of having them prove to the extended warranty folks that I had nos in there (would've costed $1000). I just told them I wanted my car back and I wasn't going to pursue the issue with warranty. Anyways, I am getting my pro rated credit from the extended warranty folks for $900 so that should give me a headstart on getting the parts and stuff for the conversion.

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

You can order a brand new J35 assembled block for $1,300 from acuraparts247.com and type-s pistons or '05 RL pistons (you will need one or the other) for $300. The rest is just labor.

rtatsutani

Hmm, I thought the J32 was a better block for the RL crankshaft and pistons? Are you suggesting the J35 b/c it's a cheaper approach to the conversion?

Acura2.3CL

any updates?

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

You don't use the RL crankshaft.

It is easiest to use the fully assembled J35 block from the factory because you'll have all the parts. You'll still need to tear it down to install the new pistons though.

rtatsutani

TypeR recommended the RL crankshaft b/c it would be better. Although it does cost about $400 more, he did say it was better. I want to try staying away from a new block since I live all the way over here in Hawaii I don't want to get dragged over the coals paying for shipping. But if I have to I have to.

Well, bringing my car in tomorrow to get the mechanic's opninion. I'll let you guys know what he says. I'll start a new thread with the 3.5 build after he finds out if I need a new block or not.

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Well if money is of concern just buy a new J32 block

rtatsutani

Holy cow, just saw the price on the heads, any chance they are shot?