gto2050

I rode with one of my Regional Mgrs today and he has a new black IS300. I gotta say, I was impressed. It is a completely different feeling than a CL but very impressive. It's smooth, quiet, and a competent 4 dr sedan. I think with a little tweaking they'll be right up BMW's butt with a worthy competitor. Of course when you factor price into the equation a whole new plethora of alternatives pop up. Just my $.02. Still love me CL!

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01 CL-S NightHawk Black/Ebony Bowling Ball Interior

Iridium130

As mcuh as I don't like the car, I also have to admit it is a very solid car....and they're even adding a manny tranny next year. Anybody happen to know the speed on those suckers? Think those guys could beat us in the 0-60?

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~Phil~!
2K1 CL-S since 6/13/00 named Laetitia! ~Quantum tint~ ~hyper-white road lamps~ ~spoiler, baby!!~ ~Uniden LRD 6599SWS Radar Detector~ ~Shine by Meguiar's Gold Wax~ ~Member of the Scratched Rims Club~ ~Getting a red Acura badge very shortly.~
~Xephyr CAI soon~
Former post count : Over 500!! FREAK!

both

Garbage, get 5000 miles on the tires and drive it on the freeways through Portland or down 99 through central California. The tire drumming and hunting is horrendous. Plus, the CLS just blows it away, try 100 ft. by 70. Do the math, 70mph = 100fps and you've got the thing 1 full sec by 70. Plus, it's so damn cramped. Trying to take to fat guys to lunch in a CLS is enough of a bummer, but it should be easy in a 4 door. It is in a TL.

SoundSpeed

IS 300s have a crappy interior and they are too much money. A much better, much faster fully loaded CLS, TLS, or TL could be had for a cheaper price.

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True Hip-hop junkie

carlsonho

The 0 - 60 mph time for IS300 manual will be 6.4 seconds.

both

Bull on the 0-60 in 6.4. A BM 3301 5sp runs 6.2, per R&T and the auto runs 6.6. Neither C&D nor R&T broke 7.5 in the is300. I absolutely annihilated both the 300s I have had a good run with. One was a sweeping freeway on ramp, punch it at 45; by 100 he was a dot in my mirror. The other was from about 10 merging onto fwy 58 in Bakersfield, by 75 it was 4 car lengths. A regular CL/TL is faster.

both

Speaking of Highway 58. --That's the road R&T used for the comparo between the CLS and the 330ci. If you can't make your passenger (perhaps yourself) throw up on this road, pack it in. It winds its ass off through the earthquake ranges at the eastern edge of the south San Joaquin valley over to the coast range. The CLS shines on this road. R&T is right, the BM is faster and more fun on this road, but the CLS pitches less and feels more confident. On this road, the is300 might be the most fun of all. It turns very quickly and has little body roll. But, it's really close between all three cars on any real public road and at any speed below rear wheel steering. But, getting to this drive down 99, read that wop wop wop wop, etc. and back on tire drumming route 41 is so much nicer in the CLS, or even the Bimmer. I think Lexus can do a much better job. They can't do anything about the crampo back seat - no fat chicks. But, the car is fat, it's as heavy as a CLS and lacks 40hp, and the tire drumming is as bad as it is in the GS400. Oh, well, my opinion. BMW, then CLS, then Audi, T5, MB, then is300. I recently researched and drove the hell out of all these, almost bought a S4, but bowed to practicality and bought the top two.

URIRx98

Ive sat in the IS300 and it isnt a very comfy car. I wanted to get it but i am very glad that i didnt. It feels like u are sittin in a civic and its actually a little smaller feelin than in the bmw 3 series which i think is also very small. I am sooo glad that i go tmy cl-s instead of waiting another month and gotten the IS300, only car i wish i ha dmore than my cl-s is GS430, and mybge that will be next, if not TL-S.
wg

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The SILVER STREAKER CL-S no navi, spoiler, tint all around, moonroof visor,
indaglo emblom, ACURA.CL.com stickers, eurolights fog lights, bel 950 radar detector, and 2 chamber flowmaster exaust
coilovers or springs to come soon 620+ posts makes me still a freak on the old Cl page.

LuckyCL

Fat guys? I don't know any fat guys so I'm safe. If I have to take a client out or something and he's a tubbo, we can take the company van.

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2001 CL Type S.
No spoiler. No NAV either. No fat chics.
no "phat" chics either.

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

Yeah, but what if you get really drunk and end up with a fat chick in your car... you'd be screwed!!



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1998 Iced Blue CL 3.0 ** Some mods, but who cares, I want a Type-S!!

Moderator - 1st Gen Forum

Email: juniorbean@acura-cl.com

Wyle E. Coyote

Why waste your money on a "knockoff" (IS300) when you can get the real thing (330i) for the same price? Lexus' are a total waste of $$$!

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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi

35% tint/Wheel locks/Splash guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 air filter/Mobil-1 5W-30 oil & filter/One scratched rim

JZ

Two false statements that jump out at me. 1st--no way you are getting a new 330 at the same price as an IS300 similarly equipped. That's just crazy talk.
2nd-In my opinion, the manual IS300 will be no faster than 6.9 seconds 0-60, and I bet it will be closer to 7.0-7.1. The difference in a manual and a 5 speed automatic is nothing like the difference between older 4spd autos and a manual. I drove in a new Eclips 4spd auto the other day and that thing was dog slow. The 5spd manual is sopposed to be around as fast as us. No way on earth that the manual in the IS300 drops the car a full second or more 0-60!!

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Black/black CL Type S Comptech springs, headers. Soon to have Konis and Comptech sway bars. PIAA 19169, Solaris high beams. Potenza RE730's 225/45/ZR17
...And I wonder where my money goes!

both

I agree with JZ. He's right on.

SatinCL

Be careful with that one....the 2/01 MotorTrend had a 330xi at 5.8 with a manual. Any traction gains are offset by parasitic losses.



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Ken
'01 Satin Silver CL-P
Performance: Headers, K&N Drop-In, Comptech Springs/Sways, 17" Borbet T's & Eagle RS-A's.
Other: Flaps, X-Pel Clear Bra, Cannon Mats, Polarg Accent Bulbs, & Burlwood Shift Knob.

Stock GTech: 7.15
Current G-Tech: 6.46

both

Motor Trend mixed up their copy. the 330i walks from a 330xi and it won't break 6.

SatinCL

Possibly. But, unfortunately, they printed it.

I agree with your other stuff though.


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Ken
'01 Satin Silver CL-P
Performance: Headers, K&N Drop-In, Comptech Springs/Sways, 17" Borbet T's & Eagle RS-A's.
Other: Flaps, X-Pel Clear Bra, Cannon Mats, Polarg Accent Bulbs, & Burlwood Shift Knob.

Stock GTech: 7.15
Current G-Tech: 6.46

Al Uminum

Yes the IS300 interior is problematic. Sit in the drivers chair, turn almost fully around to your right as if to look out the rear window and viola, you and your rear seat passenger are almost swapping spit! Its very tight in there.

The famous aluminum ball shifter; its got the same dimension in palm as a mouse ball.

The main concern is to be very careful if your holding a cup of hot coffee in your right hand and your about to rest your arm on the center console armrest. Yup you might have a McDonaldsesque lawsuit in your lap because buddy, there AINT NO CENTER ARMREST!

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"01" CL Type-S
•White\Black
•Comptech Springs+Sways
•Navigation System
•Burl Shifter
•Guards+Fenderwell Trim
•Smokers Package
Pictures of My Ride

2Sxy4YoMama

IS 300 is just an expensive Honda Civic.

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2001 CL-S Satin Silver/Ebnoy with Spoiler, 35% tint and moonroof visor

Jonny Blaze

If they were to take the back doors off the car add a little more leg and head room it wouldnt be as bad. as far as performance I think it quite acceptable just outclassed.

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2K1 CL-S BLK on BLK
Navi,mudgaurds,
spoiler,35%,sitting on 19" Altstadts & Nitto 235/55/19s
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Coming next week Comptech headers and sways.

GoldTypeS_RENAMED

I agree in that the diff between auto and manual is not as big as it used to be, but I wouldn't doubt it one bit that Lexus is tinkering with its manual gear ratios to get the car into the mid 6's if possible because they have just GOT to be tired of hearing people dog on it since they didn't hit their estimate with the auto. And I'll also bet that their gonna be really careful with their official published estimate for the manual as well

My fearless, official prediction:
Manual IS300 hits 60 in 6.6-6.7 seconds.

Still ain't gonna be takin' us down without a serious fight!!



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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type S
Comptech Springs
Comptech Sway Bars
PIAA 19169
Comptech headers ordered 2/1/01

JZ

Hell, the gear ratios in the IS300 are already very tight--why do you think it needs to shift into 3rd before 60 and why do you think they get under 20mpg? And, that is also precisely why racing an IS300 in 4th gear of our car we would probably lose. How much shorter can they make the gears in the 5spd manual--1st from 0-10, 2nd from 10-25?

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Black/black CL Type S Comptech springs, headers. Soon to have Konis and Comptech sway bars. PIAA 19169, Solaris high beams. Potenza RE730's 225/45/ZR17
...And I wonder where my money goes!

Wyle E. Coyote

Okay, $5k more for the Bimmer, which I would gladly pay! Both are over-priced IMO, but the Bimmer is a much better product overall... and the original.



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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi

35% tint/Wheel locks/Splash guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 air filter/Mobil-1 5W-30 oil & filter/One scratched rim

JZ

$41,110 true market value for a 330 coupe with the same options (roughly) as the IS300. With the IS300 prices dropping like mercury in January, you're looking at about 10K more for a similarly equipped 330 than an IS300. Hey if you can get one for 36K by all means do so!!

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Black/black CL Type S Comptech springs, headers. Soon to have Konis and Comptech sway bars. PIAA 19169, Solaris high beams. Potenza RE730's 225/45/ZR17
...And I wonder where my money goes!

Wyle E. Coyote

Well, I was speaking of the 330i sedan because the IS300 is a sedan. And, I haven't heard much about the price for an IS300 dropping. Roughly, the IS300 is a $35k car and the 330i is a $40k car. Enough said on this subject.



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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi

35% tint/Wheel locks/Splash guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 air filter/Mobil-1 5W-30 oil & filter/One scratched rim

both

$1000 over invoice in LA

JZ

OK MikeN--
Edmund's quotes of True Market Value for IS300 and similarly equipped BMW 330 sedan:

IS300: 32193
BMW: 40755

Difference: 8562

With tax
IS300 33802
BMW 42792

Difference: 8990

Enough has been said when the correct information has been displayed. Edmunds is a very reliable source for information and is very well respected by dealers.

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Black/black CL Type S Comptech springs, headers. Soon to have Konis and Comptech sway bars. PIAA 19169, Solaris high beams. Potenza RE730's 225/45/ZR17
...And I wonder where my money goes!

Wyle E. Coyote

Okay, they're still not equal cars no matter how you look at it. You've proven YOUR point, now shut up about it!


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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi

35% tint/Wheel locks/Splash guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 air filter/Mobil-1 5W-30 oil & filter/One scratched rim

[This message has been edited by MikeN (edited 02-02-2001).]

both

Any way you cut it the is300 costs more and underperforms the CLS in every way but braking and stock slalom. On straight roads, mountain roads or hard travel the CLS blows it away and is more comfortable doing it. The is300 does not approach a 330i in any way.

DtEW

It's too bad you're in Fresno, or I'd invite you to an upcoming mountain fun run.

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051/LP/SR/LD/HH

nootch

I'm in favor of debating about cars but it seems like all of the arguments presented in this thread have already been made many other times. The people who like CL's at this point will always like it more the the IS300, and vice-versa.

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Please have a crane drop on my car so I have to buy a new CL-S. But wait till I'm not in the car. Thanks

Iridium130

Wow, the arguements this time have been relatively civilized, no crazy flaming, or guys from IS3.net coming over here posting, etc.

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~Phil~!
2K1 CL-S since 6/13/00 named Laetitia! ~Quantum tint~ ~Hiper Hibrid Plasma Xenon road lamps~ ~spoiler, baby!!~ ~Uniden LRD 6599SWS Radar Detector~ ~Shine by Meguiar's Gold Wax~ ~Member of the Scratched Rims Club~ ~Getting a red Acura badge very shortly.~
~Xephyr CAI soon~
Former post count : Over 500!! FREAK!

nootch

I wasn't trying to say the thread should be locked or anything, but there is a point where no matter what is said, the respective sides aren't going to change their minds. Hell even the flaming is kinda funny sometimes but this topic has been beaten to death.

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Please have a crane drop on my car so I have to buy a new CL-S. But wait till I'm not in the car. Thanks