Review and Track Times: Comptech S/C + HBP
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Originally Posted by darrinb
brad, didnt u notice that it only did this when it was cold out, like lower than 60 deg.
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Went to the track today again with Kevin (derelict) to compare his stock pulley to my HBP.
He managed a 13.7 @ 103. He was pulling 2.0 60's though.
Sticky tires + SSR comps > me
I was playing with the launch all day and managed to trap at 105 3 out of 4 runs with my last run being 104. BUT.............
My blower belt has slipped a little. It sorted jumped up just barely on to the pulley so it isn't seated exactly where it should be in the pulley. I'm losing about a 1 psi because of it. I'll have the problem fixed Monday morning.
He managed a 13.7 @ 103. He was pulling 2.0 60's though.
Sticky tires + SSR comps > me
I was playing with the launch all day and managed to trap at 105 3 out of 4 runs with my last run being 104. BUT.............
My blower belt has slipped a little. It sorted jumped up just barely on to the pulley so it isn't seated exactly where it should be in the pulley. I'm losing about a 1 psi because of it. I'll have the problem fixed Monday morning.
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Replace that belt or it will continue to slip, not shift, but slip, from being stretched on the back part of the belt. Make sure its on correct, on all the pullies, before it's tightened and it should not jump off, and shift like that.
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Kevin (derelict) has the same problem and we had the installs done at different locations. He also doesn't have the HBP.
So I should completely replace the belt? It only has 200 miles or less on it.
Could it have something to do with the pulley spacers on the end of the shaft? Maybe I should take one out to line it up better?
So I should completely replace the belt? It only has 200 miles or less on it.
Could it have something to do with the pulley spacers on the end of the shaft? Maybe I should take one out to line it up better?
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
So basically all your mods gained you ~ 10mph over stock, right? That pretty decent I think. Especially for only 6psi. You should be ~107mph with an intecooler and more boost.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Kevin (derelict) has the same problem and we had the installs done at different locations. He also doesn't have the HBP.
So I should completely replace the belt? It only has 200 miles or less on it.
Could it have something to do with the pulley spacers on the end of the shaft? Maybe I should take one out to line it up better?
So I should completely replace the belt? It only has 200 miles or less on it.
Could it have something to do with the pulley spacers on the end of the shaft? Maybe I should take one out to line it up better?
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
So basically all your mods gained you ~ 10mph over stock, right? That pretty decent I think. Especially for only 6psi. You should be ~107mph with an intecooler and more boost.
#50
Originally Posted by mrsteve
Kevin (derelict) has the same problem and we had the installs done at different locations. He also doesn't have the HBP.
So I should completely replace the belt? It only has 200 miles or less on it.
Could it have something to do with the pulley spacers on the end of the shaft? Maybe I should take one out to line it up better?
So I should completely replace the belt? It only has 200 miles or less on it.
Could it have something to do with the pulley spacers on the end of the shaft? Maybe I should take one out to line it up better?
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I'm losing tons of boost right now with that belt. I boosted it twice WOT to the top of 2nd gear on the way home from dinner.
Peak boost is reached at 5000 RPM and it is just over 5.5 psi. Then by readline it is under 5 psi. I need to use the damn belt that comes with the kit not the one the dealer put on. I'm gonna go to another shop and have them install it because the dealer is worried about damage to the pulley installing the stock belt.
Peak boost is reached at 5000 RPM and it is just over 5.5 psi. Then by readline it is under 5 psi. I need to use the damn belt that comes with the kit not the one the dealer put on. I'm gonna go to another shop and have them install it because the dealer is worried about damage to the pulley installing the stock belt.
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Originally Posted by scalbert
I suspect he will add at least 40 WHP with the IC and more boost. His trap may be upwards of 109 - 110.
Steve,
If I were to use the I/C with just the HBP and not the max boost pulley what is your best estimate on power increase? The car already feels amazingly fast now. I might want to save that next increase for later down the line.
Also, using that set up (I/C with just HBP) I wouldn't need the E-Manage right away correct?
I'm sure with the I/C and just HBP I'd lose a little boost, but I bet i'd pick up a few ponies.
Your thoughts?
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
I'm losing tons of boost right now with that belt. I boosted it twice WOT to the top of 2nd gear on the way home from dinner.
Peak boost is reached at 5000 RPM and it is just over 5.5 psi. Then by readline it is under 5 psi. I need to use the damn belt that comes with the kit not the one the dealer put on. I'm gonna go to another shop and have them install it because the dealer is worried about damage to the pulley installing the stock belt.
Peak boost is reached at 5000 RPM and it is just over 5.5 psi. Then by readline it is under 5 psi. I need to use the damn belt that comes with the kit not the one the dealer put on. I'm gonna go to another shop and have them install it because the dealer is worried about damage to the pulley installing the stock belt.
Yep your belt is slipping. Here is the dyno I had with a slipping belt, you will see a drop in HP and torque at about 6K. At that time my belt was coming off the pulley and felt very tight. Well I guess it is not tight enough
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...3.5+conversion
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Originally Posted by scalbert
I suspect he will add at least 40 WHP with the IC and more boost. His trap may be upwards of 109 - 110.
Which should be very close to a sub 13 second pass depending on how well I get off the line.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Steve,
If I were to use the I/C with just the HBP and not the max boost pulley what is your best estimate on power increase? The car already feels amazingly fast now. I might want to save that next increase for later down the line.
Also, using that set up (I/C with just HBP) I wouldn't need the E-Manage right away correct?
I'm sure with the I/C and just HBP I'd lose a little boost, but I bet i'd pick up a few ponies.
Your thoughts?
If I were to use the I/C with just the HBP and not the max boost pulley what is your best estimate on power increase? The car already feels amazingly fast now. I might want to save that next increase for later down the line.
Also, using that set up (I/C with just HBP) I wouldn't need the E-Manage right away correct?
I'm sure with the I/C and just HBP I'd lose a little boost, but I bet i'd pick up a few ponies.
Your thoughts?
#57
mrsteve, look at the other pullies and see if they are all off by one groove also. if they are and it's staying there, it could be the origional installers missed one of the other pullies, causing it to jump. If so they should buy the new belt. The belt size should not be the problem.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
105.92 MPH is screaming fast by the way. I should be in the neighborhood of 290-300whp with numbers like that. I know mattg trapped about that with nitrous and he was around 300whp. A dyno will soon follow this thread. Also back to back 13.558 and 13.559. This could be quite the bracket racer. Pics will follow later, it is dark out and I can't find the cable to download pics to the computer.
As for the tranny not shifting into gear that has happened to me as well, it's even done it once with this new rebuilt. These are very faulty by design and modifying only improves somewhat. Unfortunately they have been the weak link in our cars.
As for the belt try and get a GY "gator back" they work very well. But at least you are getting good boost, I never got 6.5 lbs. out off my HBP it only did 5.5 and your getting that with a slipping belt.
Can't wait to see your dyno....it should be very impressive.
#61
Originally Posted by mrsteve
Steve,
If I were to use the I/C with just the HBP and not the max boost pulley what is your best estimate on power increase? The car already feels amazingly fast now. I might want to save that next increase for later down the line.
Also, using that set up (I/C with just HBP) I wouldn't need the E-Manage right away correct?
I'm sure with the I/C and just HBP I'd lose a little boost, but I bet i'd pick up a few ponies.
Your thoughts?
If I were to use the I/C with just the HBP and not the max boost pulley what is your best estimate on power increase? The car already feels amazingly fast now. I might want to save that next increase for later down the line.
Also, using that set up (I/C with just HBP) I wouldn't need the E-Manage right away correct?
I'm sure with the I/C and just HBP I'd lose a little boost, but I bet i'd pick up a few ponies.
Your thoughts?
Nope, you would need the E-Manage with just the IC and HBP. When I installed the IC, my new SC pulley was not in yet. I had no adjustments going on in the E-Manage either. The car went lean right away. I was runnign mid 11:1 ratios, and now I was up at 13:1.
That, and the previously mentioned ability to lower the fuel pressure to a safe level makes this a serious benefit.
#62
Originally Posted by SCTL-SS
CONGRATULATIONS MrSteve...those are some awesome track times. Looks like your are having fun!!
As for the tranny not shifting into gear that has happened to me as well, it's even done it once with this new rebuilt. These are very faulty by design and modifying only improves somewhat. Unfortunately they have been the weak link in our cars.
As for the belt try and get a GY "gator back" they work very well. But at least you are getting good boost, I never got 6.5 lbs. out off my HBP it only did 5.5 and your getting that with a slipping belt.
Can't wait to see your dyno....it should be very impressive.
As for the tranny not shifting into gear that has happened to me as well, it's even done it once with this new rebuilt. These are very faulty by design and modifying only improves somewhat. Unfortunately they have been the weak link in our cars.
As for the belt try and get a GY "gator back" they work very well. But at least you are getting good boost, I never got 6.5 lbs. out off my HBP it only did 5.5 and your getting that with a slipping belt.
Can't wait to see your dyno....it should be very impressive.
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This was my best slip yesterday - ironically, my first run. Much relieved since my last trip to the track only yielded a 14.2 @ 99. My belt slipped again as well at the track, and on the way home, I heard something scrape underneath my passenger-side footwell. When I got off the highway and turned the music down, I noticed there was no whine when I got on it. Sure enough, I popped the hood when I got home - belt was completely gone. This is the second time the belt has slipped up onto the edge of the pulley. Is there any surefire way to prevent it?
edit:
Quote of the day yesterday from Steve:
"The guy in the that Grand Prix kept looking over at me like he had a chance. Then he saw me put my helmet on."
edit:
Quote of the day yesterday from Steve:
"The guy in the that Grand Prix kept looking over at me like he had a chance. Then he saw me put my helmet on."
#67
Congrats steve... It always makes you think over once you see a super charger install post, that why you havent you installed one yet.. If it weren't for my two tranny dying the last 10K, I would have been in the SC Club... Anyways excellent times, and all the best with the SC... Let us know with the IC, how much more of a monster the car will be.
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Congrats on the S/C install Steve. Glad to hear everything went well with the install and that problem with the belt is an easy fix.
Nice work getting that 13.5, like matt said that’s the quickest S/C CL we've seen minus the ones with the intercooler. Looking forward to seeing some dyno #’s as well.
That first night driving after you picked her up I bet you looked like this behind the wheel
Keep it safe out there and enjoy.
Nice work getting that 13.5, like matt said that’s the quickest S/C CL we've seen minus the ones with the intercooler. Looking forward to seeing some dyno #’s as well.
That first night driving after you picked her up I bet you looked like this behind the wheel
Keep it safe out there and enjoy.
#71
Originally Posted by mrsteve
He smacked the wall on the passenger side pretty hard. He's lucky he didn't hit head on. His girlfriend was also in the car and obviously she was very frightened. They both made it out fine, but the guys car is F'ed.
they let people on the track with passengers?!?!?!?!
congrats on the SC tho! Nice times
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Originally Posted by evilone
damm i have check the gen forum in a whilei guess. congrats ur finally in the 13'z. now i suspect the track is gunna be more like crack for u then befor if that is possable
No, not really. I might hit the track two more times this year. I don't want to beat on it too much. And until I upgrade the rubber/wheels I really can't hook up that well so I don't even launch it, I easily take off like I would from a light and really don't get on the throttle for at least the first 30'.
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I don't blame the 6speed guys really. All the wheel hop they get really takes a beating on the car's front suspension. No more hard launches at the track for me.
Well maybe ONCE MORE once the I/C and new tires are installed.
Well maybe ONCE MORE once the I/C and new tires are installed.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
I don't blame the 6speed guys really. All the wheel hop they get really takes a beating on the car's front suspension. No more hard launches at the track for me.
Well maybe ONCE MORE once the I/C and new tires are installed.
Well maybe ONCE MORE once the I/C and new tires are installed.
yea i guess, we def have a great advantage from a stop, but they are deadly from a roll