bigman

But some of you cl/tl-p guys may find this useful.
All motor, i have a 99 tl-p, if i use the type-s throttle body will i see any gains from it, also will it improve or decrease throttle reponse. I have heard that larger tb's decrease the throttle response but give you a better top end. Also if i increase the size of the tb should i increase the size of my intake. And last question is how about the intake plenum, you type s guys have the actuator that opens up, is it computer controlled or rpm controlled. I want to get the type s intake and throttle body on my car but want to know what is involved. I think this with a 75 shot and i'd be golden. Plus i am working closely with someone on info about a tranny kit for our cars, check v6 performance for the info.

CLpower

You may see some gains from the type S TB, but you'll still have restriction from the manifold because the sizes won't match. The gains will be very minimum. I'm not sure if the intake manifold will work if that is what you are talking about (when you say intake you may mean just the general intake. In which case i'm 99% sure the regular air intake will not work on your car because the type s manifold sits out more towards the drivers side of the car.


What tranny kit are you looking at? What does it include?

allmotor_2000

I am pretty sure the intake-manifold will bolt-up to your heads and runners, but you need to configure some type of circuit to open the actuators at 4K RPM or wherever that opens since your ECU doesn't have that feature nor the actuator.

scalbert

The IMRC valve is controlled by the ECU but there is no reason why an RPM switch couldn't also control it.

As for the TB, it may or may not fit but I suspect it will. It might also give some minimal gains. The only way to know if it will work with the stock CL-P/TL-P manifold is to try it.

bigman

if i port match the plenum to the cl-s throttle body until i can afford the full type s intake will that net me much or am i wasting my time. The only biatch i see is the vsa. How does that work and what needs to be done to get rid of it.

scalbert

You don't have VSA and it will not be an issue as nothing you are doing would involve VSA.

bigman

ok. now how much increase in hp or torque can you suestimate?
BTW thanx for the quick replies man.

OscarCL3.2

i thought about doing this with the intake plenum of a type s and puttin it on the CL-P. I didn't know if it was possible. Good question bigman.....but scalbert, allmotor, any idea on cost for getting the plenum?

And how difficult could it be to get the actuator thing straightened out?

One more question....would that make the CL-P a lot like the CL-S or would it still not match up due to compression ratios and other stuff? (Keep it plain, I'm not mechanically oriented)

Thanks

allmotor_2000

Hey... I have a ported and polished intake-manifold (except for the two plenums which arn't expensive) and the port-matched 70mm TB for sale... any takers?

scalbert

If you were to do the plenum and throttle body my guess is that this would not add up to more than about 5 - 10 HP, if that. You could probably check with some salvage yards and find a totaled CL-S or TL-S and get the manifold and TB for $200 - $300 (just a guess). Add in an RPM switch for $30 and you have most of the intake tract of the Type-S.

However, this will not make up the entire deficit between the two engines, J32A1 and J32A2.

The different compression is about another 10 HP. The cams are about the same 10 HP and finally the engine tuning from the ECU makes up the final difference.

scalbert

:sqnteek:

Why???

allmotor_2000

Car is going back to stock.

scalbert

I reiterate, Why??

mattg

damn allmotor, i can't believe your just giving up.

allmotor_2000

Well... in order to get 'back on track' as per my plans, I need to

(1) Fix my car - $1K being done as we speak
(2) Fix/buy a new flywheel - $800
(3) Re-install the new flywheel/clutch - $650
(4) Cost of original clutch/flywheel + shop-time - $900

That's a grand total of $2500 which I don't want to spend on this car anymore. Counting the original flywheel, its $3400!!

If I had forked the $650 to have the dealer install the clutch/flywheel in the first place... I would be running the car this weekend as everything else is ready - and I am pretty sure it would have hit 13.2 at the slowest. Compared to the 13.9 E.T, I have:

(1) 7.5lbs wheels with M&H slicks
(2) Ported Intake Manifold & 70mm Throttle-Body
(3) CAI
(4) UR Pulleys
(5) Flywheel/Clutch
(6) No Exhaust
(7) Car is lowered now for better traction
(8) 103-octane gas

The car felt like it was turbocharged... spinning 1st always and nearly the whole of 2nd with a hard shift.

I really don't feel like running the car anymore, so things have got to go

This was a very bad mistake on my part regarding the clutch/install - probably bit of cockiness by not reading the service-manual.

allmotor_2000

We are going to Europe/Africa end of the month for my vacation, so maybe I'll figure out what I want to do when I get back in September.

Meth

BlueCLS6

double But have a great vacation! Maybe you will miss the car and want to dig back into it when you get back!