BS, that was taken in an m3

 

imho, all this shows is how inaccurate the gtech is. .

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'01 cl-s blk/blk :: comptech headers, comptech springs, comptech sway bars

 

webby,

how is an intake that gives more power gains through the band gonna be out performed by a lesser unit?


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my mom and bestfriend have told me to tell you guys to stop telling me to spend my money; they are tired of my automobiles getting pampered and them getting whats left over which usually consists of change I find in my car by doing things you guys encourage

 

I am trying to find that out. I am unclear as to what he says it making his car perform the way it does. Just would like to know so if I need to get one of his intakes.



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Mustang Killa

 

Uhm well no it was taken in CL-S with Eclipse23 following behind in his car on RT 73 in Cherry Hill....

Dont say the word M3 you'll start the equivalent of the crusades again lol ...

Regarding the accuracy of the GTECH.... I make no claims....I am just saying that even if it off by .5 seconds ... if we are all using it it then the gains should be pretty close and I have always said that I prefer to use it as a benchmark for testing gains from mods as my car runs times +/- .10 compared to baseline runs... Its a great tool for that, but for accuracy ... only the track tells the whole story accurately.

Chris


Chris

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2001 Nighthawk Black CLS Type S - Xephyr Performance CAI, PIAA 19173(Yellow) Road Lamp Upgrades, Full Wood Trim, Spoiler, 1/4 Mile in 14.424@97.23 MPH Atco Raceway 3/10/01 Best GTECH Sprint 5.554/28/01 with Poobah watching Xephyr Performance Intakes

 

Heck, look at all the different times at drag strips. If your running at 100 degrees out, do you think it really shows the potential of a car?

A GTECH is a tool that can be used or abused.

A drag strip can have a bunch of piled on rubber over it and make a good car look like sh*t too.

So, does that mean that the strip is screwed up?

Or if a driver has a manual and starts in 3rd gear with a Viper and gets a 15.5 second run -- does that mean that Vipers are slow?


If the GTECH is "downhill", you can get any run you want.

If you use it correctly, it is a good tool to tell you how much you have gained or lost.

Radars can also be misused -- just point it at an angle and there is cosine error, or better yet point from a right angle...

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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 9 coats of Zaino magic

[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 05-04-2001).]

 

it's not the intake. .


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'01 cl-s blk/blk :: comptech headers, comptech springs, comptech sway bars

 

Here we go again .... Use the search function... Unless someone Dynos their car with the AEM, then the Xephyr , on the same day you will never solve anything.... I am done with this discussion becuase as you can see only 2 people here are trying to instigate a flame war and I don't have the intent for that. Bottom line, like it or not the difference between the AEM and the Xephyr on the Dyno is no more or less then the standard deviation of multiple runs with one intake on there ... maybe EricL or someone can get all the dynos from AEM and compare them ...

Webtoker,

Keep your AEM I'm not going to loose sleep over it, people have preferences and close to 50% of the preference in this forum is for a Xephyr CAI, those that have it are recommending it to others... Fluke? I think not... Enjoy your weekend Im done with this debate as it will yield nothing positive but more flaming. Opinion is the one thing in life you can't prove with fact, number, or math...


Chris


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2001 Nighthawk Black CLS Type S - Xephyr Performance CAI, PIAA 19173(Yellow) Road Lamp Upgrades, Full Wood Trim, Spoiler, 1/4 Mile in 14.424@97.23 MPH Atco Raceway 3/10/01 Best GTECH Sprint 5.554/28/01 with Poobah watching Xephyr Performance Intakes

 

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- Kvit -
2001 CL-P Monterey Blue, Parchment interior
Polarg BlHybrid M-6 Road lamps
Polarg/PIAA super white interior lights *bling bling*
HP Quantum 28 -- 31% metallic tint all around
Blue Dragon Lady

Ferrari F355 Challenge Lap Times (Dreamcast):
-Motegi: 0'37"822 , sprint total 2'42"892
-Suzuka (short): 0'57"873
-Atlanta: 0'31"659

 

Hey I am just glad we got that straight.

IT IS NOT THE INTAKE!

Thanks, have a nice day

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Mustang Killa

 

Ofcourse not its the flux capacitor powered by P-232 in the cold fusion chamber in the trunk.......

How is this for getting things straight.. I run a faster 1/4 mile with ONLYan intake then YOU with +/- $1500 in mods ......

Chris

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2001 Nighthawk Black CLS Type S - Xephyr Performance CAI, PIAA 19173(Yellow) Road Lamp Upgrades, Full Wood Trim, Spoiler, 1/4 Mile in 14.424@97.23 MPH Atco Raceway 3/10/01 Best GTECH Sprint 5.554/28/01 with Poobah watching Xephyr Performance Intakes

 

Chris,
All I think they're trying to figure out is if you got the 14.4sec 1/4 mile time with just your intake. And if so, that is great.

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01 white/ebony CL-S
No Mods yet

 

Becuase I have one of the slow ones huh...


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Mustang Killa

 

i agree with you, but this can be beat to death. .sure, different variables will always lead to different results. .there are many could's should's would's. .but the fact is, there are more reliable ways. .

for instance, i had 3 different gtech pro's, when my friends came to my house, we were all curious how accurate the gtech is, so, i made a few runs, all identicle, and all of them yielding different results. .thus, my opinion that shows how inaccurate the gtech is. .

however, like some have said, although they are innacurate, some are innacurate consistently, thus measuring gains from headers or intake are possible, but then again, why would you want to. .

i'd personally drop money on the dyno. .

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'01 cl-s blk/blk :: comptech headers, comptech springs, comptech sway bars

 

CLS16,

Thanks, the 14.4 was only with the intake and no other mods. If you look for the post you'll see I posted the temps, humidity, etc ....the times were nice runs, with great launches, in ideal climate... EricL I think plugged in the numbers once and verified that this is where ythat car should e given all the factors that came into play.

Chris

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2001 Nighthawk Black CLS Type S - Xephyr Performance CAI, PIAA 19173(Yellow) Road Lamp Upgrades, Full Wood Trim, Spoiler, 1/4 Mile in 14.424@97.23 MPH Atco Raceway 3/10/01 Best GTECH Sprint 5.554/28/01 with Poobah watching Xephyr Performance Intakes

 

POLL: if xephyr and Webtoker were on Judge Judy,

who would Judge Judy favour?



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2001 CL-S
Black/Black
Moonroof Visor
35% Tint All Around
Black Wood Dash Kit
Currently on TL rims with Nokian Winter Tires
My Bitch

 

THanks, I'm satisfied with that answer. And as soon as I get paid next week, I'll be getting one for myself.



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01 white/ebony CL-S
No Mods yet

 

my bad chris i thought, a back to back run was already done. I'm sorry, my mistake. Didn't mean to look at you any lesser, i just thought the comparison was already done. Not trying to take anything away from you, i give you much respect for what your doing. wish i would of done it. Wish you'd do shit for my car

 

don't start this bs amir

 

uh oh, its Mr. Seriuos now...

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2001 CL-S
Black/Black
Moonroof Visor
35% Tint All Around
Black Wood Dash Kit
Currently on TL rims with Nokian Winter Tires
My Bitch

 

Alright everybody:
enough of all this paranoid crap. Xephyr give money back guarantee. Try the product and if you don't like it, send it back... then and only then bitch, whine and moan.

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2001 Silver CL-S

 

Go to the dyno -- you're entitled.

BTW -- the GTECH decided to "cheap-out" by not using a "differential" type of system to cancel out the tilt during a run. However, you are missing the point (over and over and over and over). It is a tool, and each different GTECH will be a bit different. Anyone who thinks that the GTECH time shown is as good as a trip to the dyno is nuts.

BTW -- I'm glad you have the $$$ to go to the dyno every time you test out some changes. Hmmm... where are your dynos?

On the hand, if a single GTECH is used, it is very good in the hands of a "competent" user. It is the repeatability of the unit, not the variation from unit-to-unit that really matters.

So, the unit is very good for testing out changes using THE SAME UNIT and the SAME CAR to see what happens to the car.

This is just like digital bath room scales. If you compare any two or three of them, they will all be off by a few lbs. Does that mean that it is not a good device to see if a person is loosing or gaining weight?

So, I think you have confused absolute accuracy with repeatability (and let's face it, most people don't read instructions).

Give it a rest....

My hammer is better than your screwdriver.

No

My ratchet is better than your socket.

No

My closed end wrench is better than your hacksaw.

Give me a break....


BTW -- I still have my doubts about how accurate a dyno is from one place to another. And I'm not burning up my money doing some automobile consumer reports issue going from dyno shop to dyno shop comparing WinPep slips...


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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 9 coats of Zaino magic

[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 05-04-2001).]

 

Just remember guys, if you have the Xephyr intake you too can run low 14s in a stock CL



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Mustang Killa

 

This is a serious question:

Let's just suppose I were to completely remove the currect stock filter in my TL-S -- gone, g'bye, c'put! No filter, now I replace the anchors and run a couple 1/4 mile dashes. Let's just suppose the air around me is so darn pure and dry that I'm sure I won't harm my engine --

What kind of runs can I expect? Times?

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2002 Acura TL-S
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Bone Stock
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you doubt he dyno's his stuff? dyno runs aren't expensive, i just got 2 runs for 30$

 

not to fast, you would be pulling in hot air from the engine bay

 

i'm sorry but i'm not missing the point. maybe i should clarify what happened on a boring saturday:

fyi, i wasn't the only one doing runs. we did 3 runs per gtech. then we swtiched gtechs. after one person did a total of 9 runs (3 runs per gtech), we just switched cars. i'm sorry if i couldn't do any more runs to your satisfaction.

are you angry? it's a nice friday to go out, like i'm about to do now. you seem a little sarcastic and rude in your post. but i still like ya. oh well see ya around. .


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'01 cl-s blk/blk :: comptech headers, comptech springs, comptech sway bars

 

Boy, you're a lucky guy. Once again... Can you give me the name of the guy that will give you a couple of runs for $30?

I got quoted $65 for run #1 with $15/run after. The guys I called moved from North Hollywood to the West Valley.

The other folks I called out in the Valley, gave me this, "Call us back in a few weeks, we are booked solid with project cars..."

I asked what they wanted and it was way too high from the prices I've seen here.

So, now you say you've got someone (presumably local) for $30 for a couple of pulls -- I really would like the name of this guy. Does he want free Nitrous or something to give you that price?



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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 9 coats of Zaino magic

 

it's atomic performance in fullerton. We went down w/ a group of people. I think we are headed back down in a few weeks. Want me to see if we have any slots left? Just because you paid 65$ for the first run then 15$ after that, doesn't mean thats what other consumers pay. When i was at my buddy's shop we would sell some people lights for 18$ each, and others the same ones for 60$. Depends who you are, who you know, and what kind of mood the person is in.

 

Cost $75 for 4 runs down here.



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Mustang Killa

 

Nop, not angry at all. Having fun -- what I find interesting is everyone seems to make fun of the "unit", but its just a "tool". When people start saying my GTECH reading is better than your GTECH reading, then something has gone wrong.

So, the point that I have made, is this -- if you want to know if your making MORE power than before -- it is a good tool. It is also a good tool for exploring ideas.

For example -- how much more power do you make in cold weather.

And, sorry, if you feel that I'm being harsh. I'm just pointing out that some people seem to get good results from the unit that match their track and dyno experiences and some don't....

So, draw your own conclusions.

BTW -- I've noticed some rather sarcastic "retorts" from you. So, who is living in the glass house....

Have a nice walk -- enjoy!



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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 9 coats of Zaino magic

 

import tuner dyno'd some car with a cai with and without the k&n filter. and without the filter it only gained less than 1hp. So that is how good k&n filters are.

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Now it's time for me to make my impression felt
So sit back, relax, and strap on your seatbelt
You never been on a ride like this befo'

 

I called up Charles down there -- sounds very cool. Said normal prices were $75, but when I mentioned the Acura forum, he said he would knock off 10% and the discount price included 3 runs!

Thanks -- and they aren't booked up "with project cars"

Well, that is like my friends over at their computer and stereo/tv stores. They charge the sh*t out of people coming in the door. but I've know them for years, so I get 3rd column wholesale.

And, the jokers who wanted $65 for a run -- I told them I would take a pass (they packed up shop and moved to the West Valley).




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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 9 coats of Zaino magic

 

That was the test on the Maxima (where they got a 4 HP gain with the K&N replacement). Then pulled the filter out and got another 0.8 HP...




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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 9 coats of Zaino magic

 

Exactly.

Anyone can fool a Gtech. Hell, I've had one display 3.8 seconds before. Was it legit? Hell no......


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99 M3
dead CL-S

 

As I said, I can get whatever I want going downhill or by setting the tilt of the unit.

This gets back into the misuse of tools issue. A GTECH for "I got the fastest car" uses is just plain foolish...

BTW -- drag strip times without temps, baro, and humidity can also be quite misleading, although I haven't seen any drag strips that go downhill (like CIA air strips).



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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 9 coats of Zaino magic

 

One thing to add, whatever the CAI you chose, AEM, Xepphyr, or Injen take 3 CLS to the track let them be driven by 3 people you will never get close to 14.4s!

Sure Xephyr did not "cooked" his numbers, but I am sure that his CLS was "well prepared" for the runs. A smart guy would select the best cirumstances to his best advantage.

Congrats for Xephyr for his 1-man company. Looking forwards for his new tricks

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Black, Ebony, 3.2 CL Type-S, NAV.
- 3M clear bra, by Stonguard (full front bumper, and side mirrors, and partial hood)
- Acura Spoiler, Moonroof visor
- Splash guards, Winter mats, Trunk liner
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI
- 04/13/01: 235/40/18 NITTO 555 on 18x7.5, +45 offset, Koing Imagine in Silver with wheels locks

 

Well, look what happened with the "syncivic" run. Originaly, 13.9, now 14.2....

So, was it the driver?
So, was it the Pilots?
So, was it the Level 10

And then the 13.9 was done in 90 degree heat and 90 percent humidity.

Who knows...




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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines w/Brembos?
• Comptech headers & sways
• Silver AEM CAI
• 9 coats of Zaino magic

 

One can ask how come a $3,999 mod will get you to 14.2s and $200 will do 14.4s.

Yep it is the weather, heat, humodity and the summer tires that did not grip

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Black, Ebony, 3.2 CL Type-S, NAV.
- 3M clear bra, by Stonguard (full front bumper, and side mirrors, and partial hood)
- Acura Spoiler, Moonroof visor
- Splash guards, Winter mats, Trunk liner
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI
- 04/13/01: 235/40/18 NITTO 555 on 18x7.5, +45 offset, Koing Imagine in Silver with wheels locks

 

Chris,
I called about two weeks ago and left a message. Never heard from you. When can I get you during the week?
Ron White