grodri02

Hey...i was checking out the mobil1 website and I notice that their product line has changed and I noticed the 5W-20, which is what Honda recommends for our car. The thing that sucks is that I have 0W-20 waiting for me to put it on (Im waiting for the oil boy)...any negatives on using the 0W-20? Its not even being offered anymore accordingly to their site. Should I try to get the 5W-20 and hopefully get the store to exchange it for me?

Thanks

asloudasitgets

it looks like they just changed the bottle. it seems like the oil is just as before.

EdgarFanCLS

Mobil1 never offered a 5w-20 before. That's what he was pointing out.

TLMugen

The 0w-20 is fine to use, don't worry. Basically, the 0w-20 has a slightly lower cold viscosity than 5w-20 but for all practical purposes, they're equivalent.

Hurleysurf24

so is a 5W X 30 just as good as the 5 X 20 ?

TLMugen

Yes, since 5w-30 has a higher warm viscosity, it should have as good or better protection than 5w-20. Some believe the "thicker" the oil the better the protection but there have been many oil analyses that seem to show that these "lighter" oils protect just as well as the "heavier" ones. The advantage to using a "lighter" oil is of course the improvement in gas mileage although sometimes it's not that noticeable.

Keep in mind these are non-Newtonian, blended formulations. Don't be surprised to find some variation and overlap in the viscosity values.
i.e.: 0w-40 has a slightly higher cold viscositiy than 0w-30 even though they are both designated 0w-xx oils. The SAE specs for the various viscosities are ranges, not absolute values.

RaviNJCLs

iTrader: (4)

Both should be fairly similar. The low temperature viscosity of the 5W - 20 will theoretically have a lower range than the 5W - 30, so may offer slightly (and I do mean slightly) better protection at extremely low temperatures. Once the engine warms up, the motor will not really know the difference.

mlb585

Actually Mobil 1 has come out with all new synthetic oils.....these are specifically made for higher mileage oil change intervals and are suppose to have more supersyn, detergents, etc. in the oil. You can go to their website and check it out www.mobil1.com

Slimey

The new extended drain oils have been out for a couple weeks now. They 'guarantee' drain intervals of 15K miles or one year. There's been a lot of talk in the oil forums.

Two caveats that everyone has noticed:
1) Expressly not recommended to be used while your car is under factory warranty (ie: ExxonMobil is not going to challenge the manufacturer's recommendations).
2) New oils are not energy conserving and don't have the EC starburst logo.

The additive packages seem quite good. A virgin oil analysis shows TBN of 15 which seems to have people excited. I'm not going to change my habits and go outside of manufacturer recommendations, however this may be something to consider for an out of warranty engine.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/...;f=11;t=000267
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...c;f=1;t=009296

asloudasitgets

since the topic is about mobil 1 , does anyone know how to get the mobil 1 filters for a cheaper price or a groupbuy going on? cause i always use the m1-105 filter and it is 12 bucks a piece

djarovsky

The whole 5W-20 thing is driven by the EPA. It's a numbers game. Honda looks "greener" if they can get more MPG spread out over the total number of vehicles they sell. I highly doubt that anyone will see any worthwhile difference by using it. I don't trust a 20 weight oil at high temperature, as it's likely to exhibit thermal breakdown. Its just too thin.

NiteQwill

A TBN of 15 does seem to be quite high (hopefully Mobil can live up to it's advertisement), but I guess we'll definitely see in due time with future oil analysis with the oil.

Recently, I have changed my oil from the 0W-20 to the 5W-30. I believe that although the fuel economy will drop slightly, it is is worth the extra protection on the engine due to the California weather. I'm using drain intervals of 7500 with Wix filters. The next oil change will consist of an oil analysis (once damn school calms down).

Joe5.0

I dont see the need for synthetic oil, unless you really hate changing it, or have a turbo/supercharger.

The reccomended change interval for the CL-S is 3750 miles, and if you do it on schedule I seriously doubt a synthetic oil will offer any long term better protection than a regular good name brand oil. I personally use 5W-20 Mobil Drive Clean, which is their basic dino oil. Its only $1.50/qt and is exactly what Honda reccomends.

tommyy2

"The reccomended change interval for the CL-S is 3750 miles"???

mlb585

I thought 3750 was severe duty (service) oil change interval.....otherwise it's 7500 miles

Joe5.0

Yes, but according to the book it says the "severe conditions" which is the 3750 miles interval, is if you:

• Drive less than 5 miles per trip or, in freezing temps drive less than 10 miles per trip.
• Drive in extremely hot (90+*F)
• Experience extensive idling or long periods of stop & go driving
• Trailer tow, drive with a roof rack, or drive in the mountains
• Drive in muddy, dusty, or de-iced roads

Thats taken exactly from the manual. I myself do have short trips during the cold months, and in the summer it is regularly 90+*. Plus, I go to the drag strip a couple times a year and the car sees redline regularly. I would wager that my conditions and driving habits are not atypical from most people on here, so the severe interval should be used.

Also, frequent oil changes are not only easy, but they are cheap insurance. You are hurting nothing by changing it maybe a little more often than entirely neccesary, but you can do some serious damage by not changing it often enough.

It is my opinion that a high grade dino oil like Drive Clean is just as, if not more effective, than a synthetic if changed more often. Sure I spend a little more money because I change the oil/filter more often, but I always know that I have a fresh & clean pan of oil.

azstephencl-s

I am running 10w-30 royal purple oil is that to thick? I live in AZ where in the summer it can get to 125 degrees.

Joe5.0

Nah, 10W-30 is fine, especially in hotter climates.

azstephencl-s

cool thanks

dfv3.2CL-S

iTrader: (1)

If you live in the south I would highly recommend against it because 5W20 is to thin for the summer. 5W30 is much safer

mlb585

I know this has been talked about to death but 5w-20 or 5w-30 will work regardless of temps. Some people feel that one weight may be more safe than others. In fact two Acura dealers I have talked to said they recommend Amsoil 5w-20 or Mobil1 0w-20. Unless you stretch the change interval 10k-15k...you will not have a problem.

VeeralS05

I was using Valvoline 10w-30 Synthetic

but now I'm using Valvoline 5w-30 Synthetic

NiteQwill

Oil analysis after oil analysis on many cars have shown that extended drain intervals with synthetic oil have less deposits versus normal changes with dino oil. Hundreds of pieces of data support this and is very easy to find.

But I also agree with you to some extent.

fender4

ok you all got me interested again,, I do anaysis. I change oil after 10k miles (filter every 5k) and I also use amsoil 0w30. My TBN numbers start at 12 and after 10k miles are around 7... New dino oil starts at 7-8 sooooo I don't need to change it but I do. Mobil claiming 15 tbn is interesting,, I'll get some off to the lab,,, but mobil used to be in the 12s and now it tests in the 8s ??? You got to watch them, exon are tricky little fellows.. remember with synthetics, change the filter every 5k or 6 months and use a good one

1killercls

I have had my oil changed at the dealer since I bought my car...Honda oil is fine. If you are racing your car alot I might pay the extra $$$ for Syn Oil...otherwise it's just a waste of cash IMO.