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Old 04-28-2005, 10:13 AM
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New injector possibilities... Comptech?

I have it from a very reliable source (Comptech's street tester for the RSX) that the new TL kit is using these Marelli injectors that use connectors so similar to the Honda connectors that Comptech can machine the connectors so they swap right in. If they are working on the new TL's S/C kit... why wouldn't they work in our motors?



They make 380cc and 427cc injectors.

Power Enterprises also sells injectors that may work in 380cc and 510cc.

Both the Marelli and Power Enterprises are a slim body design, not huge and round like the RCs.
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comptech has been doing some cool shit as of late. see the ACM they are putting out with the new TL S/C.
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Yes... I'm wondering if the ACM would work with the 2nd Gen as well...
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Nice, we might need larger flow injectors but with the same shape configuration as stockers, so no drilling and rail modification required to fit as RC units.
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Originally Posted by Zapata
comptech has been doing some cool shit as of late. see the ACM they are putting out with the new TL S/C.
No wonder 7th gen. AV6 guys pist since CT has no plans for near future, just 3rd. gen TL However, I believe it can be fit.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Yes... I'm wondering if the ACM would work with the 2nd Gen as well...

Same here... I have been debating on the IC as well... The car does run much hotter when blown...

Maybe another alternative maybe eh?
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The ACM nor the injectors are going to lower the IAT, at least not in the same way as scalberts IC kit would.
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Just use the S2000 injectors... they are of the 'slim' design that does not need any machining. They are also 360cc.
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So S2K injectors would slide right in?
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
So S2K injectors would slide right in?
Yup!
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Doubtful I could run anymore boost with just the extra fuel though. Just lower fuel pressure; that is unless the intercooler was installed.
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I don't see any need to upgrade to bigger injectors (flow) if running E-Manage with current blower. I posted I still have room to go.

If S2K 360cc injectors fit, they would cost $595.23 + shipping or $98.xx each(hondautomotiveparts.com), but nice to have a source anyway.
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That's about the same as RC injectors plus you don't need to order the additional clips/solder wires/modifiy the fuel rail.

Being able to lower fuel pressure would be nice. Pushing 100psi @ WOT through a system designed for 50psi @ WOT just doesn't seem like the best idea IMO.
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Agree on extra labor involved to fit RC despite the fact someone purchased 310cc for $414 shipped, however fuel pressure is causing my lean condition up top not injectors. My FP is usually about as low as 85psi by red line with small cal-kit and high as 90psi where before it was at 100. I will be swapping the generic FPR to see if it helps and transfer smaller cal-kit to set the idle to ~34psi. So injectors are still fine.
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
Just use the S2000 injectors... they are of the 'slim' design that does not need any machining. They are also 360cc.

Ram, you have done this to your car?

I might actually look into this in a few weeks.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Yes... I'm wondering if the ACM would work with the 2nd Gen as well...
whats an ACM ?
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The piggyback module that comes with the new TSX and TL SC kits. Replaces the ESM unit used on the CL/TL/NSX.
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Originally Posted by Smitty
Ram, you have done this to your car?

I might actually look into this in a few weeks.

Nope... but if I build a spare motor for the 700-800 hp type of output... then I will upgrade the injectors. I currently have one extra 750cc outside... might add another if I do try to extract big power.
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Anybody knows what this 'piggyback' module does... other than clamp the MAP sensor signal?
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
Anybody knows what this 'piggyback' module does... other than clamp the MAP sensor signal?

Yep...It allows VTEC engagement to be altered, adds injector duration, filters the knock sensor, alters MAP sensor voltage, and adjust cam-phasing. Pretty cool for just a lil black box.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Yep...It allows VTEC engagement to be altered, adds injector duration, filters the knock sensor, alters MAP sensor voltage, and adjust cam-phasing. Pretty cool for just a lil black box.
and is end user programable?
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Originally Posted by typeR
and is end user programable?

I'm sure it is not. Comptech isn't big on end-user calibrations. All of their RSX Hondata flashes for the K100 are locked calibrations. I'm sure the calibrations will be optimized for the TSX and again for the TL.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Yep...It allows VTEC engagement to be altered, adds injector duration, filters the knock sensor, alters MAP sensor voltage, and adjust cam-phasing. Pretty cool for just a lil black box.
Since going lean at VTEC change over has been an issue, the box is supposed to compensate and enrich based upon RPM. Since their FPR is vacuum signal driven, there was no way to enrich a specific RPM range - all they could do is go fat across other areas to prevent going lean at change over.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Pretty cool for just a lil black box.
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That thing sounds like a VAFC...

I still like my lil purple magic box.
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
Nope... but if I build a spare motor for the 700-800 hp type of output... then I will upgrade the injectors. I currently have one extra 750cc outside... might add another if I do try to extract big power.
Hey dude... if/when you start doing this, there is another new guy at my work that has contacts within JE among others. Probably help with a lot of engine parts for you if you're interested. With a lower CR and good tune, the engine could easily make 600hp using the GT35 we have now... In fact the compressor's peak efficiency is at about 12-20psi of boost. The GT42R can flow enough for 500-1000hp and provide 12-30psi boost.
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That thing sounds like a VAFC...

I still like my lil purple magic box.
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What is that thing ???
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Originally Posted by BlueCLS6
Hey dude... if/when you start doing this, there is another new guy at my work that has contacts within JE among others. Probably help with a lot of engine parts for you if you're interested. With a lower CR and good tune, the engine could easily make 600hp using the GT35 we have now... In fact the compressor's peak efficiency is at about 12-20psi of boost. The GT42R can flow enough for 500-1000hp and provide 12-30psi boost.
Hmm... I have an engine builder already in mind for the 3.7L, but I am still hesitant to pull the trigger here... waiting on something before proceeding either way.
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
Nope... but if I build a spare motor for the 700-800 hp type of output... then I will upgrade the injectors. I currently have one extra 750cc outside... might add another if I do try to extract big power.
You'll need more than injectors.
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What is that thing ???
800.00 worth of micro processors for one application specific 6spd.
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Originally Posted by ThinJim
You'll need more than injectors.
No kidding...
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No kidding...
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
Just use the S2000 injectors... they are of the 'slim' design that does not need any machining. They are also 360cc.

I found a guy that has 4 of them on the S2KI forums.

he wants 150 shipped for 4 of them with 30K miles on them.

I told him I need 6... he told me
I have a set of four taken out of my S when I upgraded to a 440cc set.
Looked around at used prices, seem to be $150-$180 shipped.
So I guess he only upgraded 4 injectors...

do you not need to upgrade all 6?
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Originally Posted by Smitty
I found a guy that has 4 of them on the S2KI forums.

he wants 150 shipped for 4 of them with 30K miles on them.

I told him I need 6... he told me

So I guess he only upgraded 4 injectors...

do you not need to upgrade all 6?
S2000's are 4-cylinder! I think you knew that!!!
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I had a brain fart when I typed that.
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lol i was just about to say that ... i would really like to run 440cc's but dont know if its a possibility with out moddifying the fuel rail as mentioned previouslly

i think im going to eventually get the s2000 injectors. the injectors are the same impedence correct? what would they need to be gapped at ?
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Originally Posted by Hurleysurf24
i think im going to eventually get the s2000 injectors. the injectors are the same impedence correct? what would they need to be gapped at ?

Are you SURE you are competent enough to install this thing your self buddy? You gap spark plugs, not injectors. That's about the 4th time you've confused the two.
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Originally Posted by Smitty
I had a brain fart when I typed that.
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