I just picked up a 2003 Accord I4 5Sp. NAVI, and found so far (In addition to voice inputs) that the NAVI on the Accord includes the "bread crumb" feature of the MDX, and now includes Canada, which should please our friends to the north.

For Shawn S and others interested, the new database version is 20020930 and the software version is ver. 1.0000 .

If I can answer any other question about this, I'll be happy to.

 

Congrats... but Ah.. I love to see the next version of our NAVI software has those features and Canada coverage is just WELCOMED!

 

I wonder if that navi can use our hardware. Maybe [hopefully] the next Acura Navi DVD will have an upgraded, more modern interface, without the voice activation.
I'll take touch-screen over sketchy voice recognition any day.
And I hope if they do upgrade the firmware, they don't limit it so that you can only use the navi when you're at a full stop.

That would piss me off.

 

does it have split screen?

 

I agree with you there. My favorite feature of our Navi is being able to play with it while I am moving. My dad has the Lexus SC430 and I get so pissed when I drive it because you always have to be a complete stop to do anything.

 

Yes,there is a split screen option, and yes you can also use the joy stick and the touch screen just as we can on the CL (at any time.)

 

Now that it’s officially January, I guess I can start bugging Acura again as to where the new upgrade DVD is that they promised for us.

Shawn S

 

I wonder what would happen if you put the Accord NAV DVD into a CL? Does anyone have access to a DVD from an Accord to try it out?

 

I WANT THE NEW NAVI/

fuck im getting anangggryryryyy!!

 

Whos the manufacturer of the Honda Navi's?

Popular science just did a review of our navis and we ranked in the middle of the pack.
Lexus and Jaguar came out on top with Denso as the Japanese Manufacturer, 5-7s calculation time.
Acura and Infiniti middle pack 10-15s calc. time.
Bmw and Mercedes last.

 

I just called Acura, and they said to call back in 2 weeks and they should have more information on what the new version will have in it....they said they are in the dark as to what is in the new version (same old run around)

 

Do you know if we have to pay for the first upgrade or are they providing us one free upgrade? I thought I read somewhere they were doing this.

 

It seems everyone "heard" that, but I am aware of no one that received it!

 

I, like others here, was promised TWO free DVD upgrades by the dealer.
That was back when these cars first went on sale in early 2000.

I stuck to my guns and got the 2.05 release for FREE when it came out.
I do have a good relationship with my dealer though.
I’ve bought several new Acura’s there and they have been servicing them since 1991.
I don’t go in there all hot headed like some people here demanding shit all the time.

I traded the 2001 before I could try for the second upgrade but I’m sure I could have gotten it.

This release I’m planning on purchasing myself. Especially if it’s a MAJOR upgrade like they have been promising.

Shawn S

 

I want Accord's Navi. The one on Cl-s is too small...

 

If the new upgrade is major and final, I will pay for it...it will probably be my last with this car.

They will not take away the ability to manipulate Navi while moving...no way they can do this with software....

Who's going to be the first to buy the new DVD and report to everyone the findings? That would include screen shots of different areas of the country, etc etc.

 

I thought someone with a burner was going to burn them and sell them for less?

 

So wait. We have a $30K car and we can't spend $150 on an upgrade?

Forgive me, but people spend more than that to eek out a few more horsepower. As someone who develops software, I find this highly distasteful. If someone does that, I hope they get a knock on their door from the FBI. Furthermore, let me go on record as saying that anyone who would post the availability of pirated NAVI-DVDs on a public forum such as this is an idiot and would deserve to be caught and prosecuted. :angry:

 

I will be ordering the new version of the DVD the day it’s released.
If it’s a fully updated version with complete mapping of my area I have no problem paying 150 for it.

Version 2.05 was supposed to have my area of PA fully mapped and it’s FAR from that.
If I hadn’t gotten it for free from my dealer I would have argued LOUDLY for my money back.

Shawn S

 

I don't think anyone will burn and sell on this network because no one has been able to successfully copy the original, at least I'm not aware of it. I don't mind paying $150 for it...but it's gotta be the full update....the FULL UPDATE.

 

A little “birdy” tells me that they HAVE.
Not me though, I don’t have a DVD burner yet.

Shawn S

 

Umm... sure they could. Just have the SW check if your coordinates have changed in the last second. If they have, lock out input from screen, otherwise, allow it.

That would be more of an ass than the way other car manufacturers do it, where if it's in Drive then it won't let you use it... that's easily gotten around by tricking the Navi that it's never in drive by crossing a wire or something.

I agree with the point you're making, but as a fellow SW developer, I don't know any other developers who have never downloaded a Warez app, so saying that someone who copies a DVD is 'highly distasteful' sounds hypocritical... Of course there are exceptions. You may be one of them.

Though I do agree anyone who posts about availability of a pirated navi DVD on a public board is an idiot

 

Which issue of Pop Science?

I've been patiently waiting for one of the car mags to do a comparision article on Navi systems for all the manufacturers.

I've heard people complain that the Nissan/Infiniti system were slow to calculate......much slower than Honda/Acura. But according to PS, they're about equal.

I'd like to read the article.

 

whats the "bread crumb" feature???

 

I don't know if you know this but when SA (Selective Availability) was turned on (by the US Government), your couldn't stay still, there was an induced error in your coordinates. I would be sitting still and my GPS would think that I am moving (around randomly). If they turn SA back on (due to a war), all the Navis would quit working if they lockup when you move.

 

The "bread crumb" feature is named for a series of trail markers as a woodsman would leave when entering a new territory, so as to allow him to find the way back.

In the MDX/Accord application, whenever you drive more than half a mile from a mapped road the map screen starts to display a series of dots that you can use to backtrack to the mapped road that you left. (Dots only appear in the 1/20,1/8, and 1/2 mile per half inch map scales, and will continue for up to 150 miles.)

I haven't yet had a chance to try this out.

 

that could be a good thing. how many people here have input stuff in the navi and almost got into an accident?

probably for safety reasons...

sidemarker

 

I guess I'm an exception because I don't do warez. Maybe I'm just a goody two-shoes at heart, but I do have to draw the line somewhere. I *have* made full use of freeware, shareware and demoware for one-time use and evaluation. If it's worth the cost, I buy it. And I've go no problems with making a copy or two for one's own use/backup either. Heck! Make 1000 copies, just don't sell them. To take a piece of software that some company has spent lots of time and money developing, remove the copy protection and/or dependance on security keys and then either sell copies or upload to a warez site is, to me, just plain wrong.

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Call it what you want....it's theft. Can't afford $60 for the latest game? Tough! Get a job! Better yet, do us all a favor and go down to your local software store and stuff the box into your coat. One less thief on the streets! :angry:

Software and data are products. Just because they are not, per se, physical assets and can be digitized and transmitted from point to point easily doesn't mean that they should be free. Oh, and in general, just because you pay for a piece of software doesn't mean you own it and can do whatever you wish with it. Nope, all you've paid for is the *license* to use it, subject to terms on the package or the media that no one bothers to read. The vendor owns the software, you just get to use it, not treat it as your sole possession and do with it as you will....including warez-ing or making and selling your own copies

Perhaps we should apply the same "warez" standard to our cars. Perhaps since they're so darned expensive, Acura should just let people break into them on the lot, drive them off and sell them for less without fear of consequences or at least "see if they like it enough to buy it". Yeah, right. That'll happen.
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$150...even $200 compared to all the money people put into their cars for headers, springs, rims and such to gain a little bit of power and looks, is trivial. Pay for the upgrade or put up with the old one.

 

Do you have a "hotbox" for cable TV?

 

DUDE, FUCK THAT. EVERYONE PIR8's. If you've played a game at your friends house or anywhere where the copy is a copy of the original (in which the person who owns the copy doesn't own the original), you are just as guilty as the bootlegger himself!

You are a SW developer...great...fantastic...tell me why does software cost so fucking much? I will never pay $100+ for any software...don't give me the R&D bullshit...it's just CODE. Yes, it takes time to make..but it's just CODE...lines of syntax! It ain't not actual fabrication from material. It's CODE put on a plastic circular DISC.

Shit, too bad people can't pir8 HARDWARE...I will be the first one in line for that shit. AND YES, they do have pir8'd versions of NAVI DVD's.

I'll be happy to pay for my DVDROM UPGRADE DISC...but the truth is EVERYONE PIR8s! You are a full fledge liar if you say you don't. It's inevitable. Give up your career if you are so against it. 80% of the government software is bootleg. You ever go to a LAN PARTY? hahah even the cops there use bootleg software.

I have no problems with buying software...I do have a problem buying software that is costs an arm and a leg...

 

Look, I'm not saying I've never used pirated software. In my past, I have. I'm not necessarily proud of it, but it happened. But I don't go near it any more if I can help it, and if I do, only for short-term evaluation.

But to answer your question directly, no, I don't typically go to a friends house to play a game. I hardly have enough time to waste at my own house. And typically, they all have bought the software anyway. Maybe it's because we're all getting old. I'm in my 30's, you know.

That's a BS argument and you damn well know it. Whether it's made up of electronic bits or physical material, it's still a product, and there are development, support and manufacturing costs involved with it. The same could be said about movies on tape or DVD. Really, it's just data on some plasticy medium, just a bunch of images and audio arranged in sequence. In effect, CODE.

Just because software, music or movies can be easily copied doesn't mean they should be copied for others who have not paid for it to use.

You think these companies do this out of the goodness of their hearts? You think the time and money invested in bringing software to the mass-market (or even narrow vertical markets) is trivial? Think again, pal.

It is code, but code doesn't write itself, sparky! Perhaps you never ventured out of the realm of "Hello, World!" yourself. Contrary to popular belief, writing code is not just gluing together a bunch of pre-built parts in a simple drag-and-drop method. Sure, tools like that exist, but they only bring you 80% of the way there at best. The rest is customization, testing, extension, etc.

But I won't feed you the R&D line. How about salaries for the developers and testers, utilities, phone, Internet, the cost of computers on which to write the code, cost of development tools and costs related to manufacturing and distribution? Pretty much the same as any other physical product.

But since you brought up R&D, many specialized programs are very custom in nature, including but not limited to games. Most game engines out there are either fully custom creations or highly customized versions of existing engines. In either case, doing that work requires lots of test code, sample programs and "proofs of concepts" before work can really begin on the engine itself. I suppose all companies just do this for free, though, huh?

Software is a product like any other, and it's a shame you can't see that. It does not matter that it's made up of 1's and 0's. It's subject to the same costs and liabilties of ANY manufactured product. The only way it's different is in the relative ease in which it can be duplicated by parties other than the manufacturer.

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Everyone pirates. Oh, great argument. I'm curious where you get your statistics about the government's software origins. No, I don't go to LAN parties. Sorry. See above about time. But I don't really give two craps about what everyone does. "Everyone pir8s." Great. More power to them. I, however, do not agree with the practice and it doesn't make it any less illegal. The fact is,

Ah. So then by extension, if you can't afford that new $8000 50" plasma HDTV, you'll just go and steal one? It's the same thing, bucko. :angry:

Look. I'm saying I don't agree with the practice, and I stand behind that assertion. I don't participate in piracy and I really don't think others should either. Software costs money for a reason, just as any other product we can buy costs money: Because it cost the company money to put it in the stores.

You want free stuff? Explore open source and freeware. You want cheap stuff? Explore shareware. You want commercial-grade software? BUY IT!

(BTW, sorry, all, for the long post)

 

No. I get spam for them all the time, though. "Perfectly legal cable descrambler." Yeah, right. Ok, it's legal to own but not to use. Whatever. Theft is theft.