AARONSredTYPE-S

So I have been looking on here and I think we should have an official list of "to do" mods list and gains from them...And lets put them in order as they should go as well.
1. unorthodox underdrive pulley kit $200 = 10hp
2. comptech,obx, megan headers $250-800 = 25hp
3. aem v2 intake, comptech icebox $250 = 5hp
4. exaust of choice $250- 600 = 5hp
5. unichip $700 = 12% gains?

if I am wrong, please make the corrections, and lets make an official guide for all to see. Plus i am sure there are many more mods, just trying to make an example

AARONSredTYPE-S

the reason i think this would be good is because of sooo many people saying on here i am thinking of putting blah blah blah on, what does it do and is it worth it? so, if we have a list then people could have something to go by.
probably should state for cl-p and cl-s as well.. :-

horsepowercrzy18

you arre about correct. headers and a vafc or apexi neo will show you the most gains. note: you will only see gains when you have aftermarket parts and when your acf neo is dyno tuned. i showed 20whp gained with intake headers axleback

AARONSredTYPE-S

cool...
we wont get into wheel hp cause it varies too much with 6sp and autos and just the random condition of the cars...
anyways, lets make a real list guys

HondaVtec21

I could have sworn the CT Icebox gives more than 5HP. . .Can anyone prove me right/wrong??

RYANGP

The AEM V2 cai won't fit your type-s and i'd steer clear of obx and megans headers

horsepowercrzy18

forgettt buying obx because they dont fit right but megan racing is good if you dont mind a buzzing sound that kinda sounds lika turbo from the welds being huge inside the piping

BigLizard

about 10 hp

AEM claims about 10 hp on their cai too.

(Nothing wrong with Megan headers either )

lol...ur funny...copying my ideas

aackshun

I coulda sworn you could only wish for 5hp on any exhaust mods? Except the RT HF Cat (which isn't on your list) which gives you 5hp or so (i think).

edit:
Awesome first name btw.

AARONSredTYPE-S

Well, The Discussions Are Being Made, But We Havent Made A Real List Here.
So We Have 10 Hp From A Good Intake Instead Of 5. Okay, Keep Um Coming

cltypeSLOW

nothing wrong with megan headers...are you kidding me?

LIPPSTUH

iTrader: (2)

you for got xs power headers - $90
thermoblock spacers - $80-$90 - gains?
grounding kit - $60-$250 - gains?

AARONSredTYPE-S

COOL, WHAT ARE THE GAINS?
AND AS FAR AS MEGAN HEADERS, I THOUGHT THEY WERE BAD FITTING HEADERS THAT SOUND LIKE SHIT?....ANYWAYS, LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GETTUING A BETTER LIST TOGETHER..LETS KEEP IT GOIN

aackshun

Dont people remove the resonator for HP gains? I know it gives a shitty sound but I think I've read about it somewhere....

black label

The issue we need to address here is what we mean by "horsepower gains". If you get 10hp from a CAI and you have a Type S, this does not mean you now have 270 hp. It means that the maximum power increase is 10 hp at one specific part of the power band (ie max power gain of 10hp at 3400RPM).

You can't take a part that gives you 5hp and another part that give you 10hp and yet another part that gives you 15 hp and think that you now have 30hp more than when you started.

Some mods (like headers) hurt horsepower in certain RPM ranges but make more in others. It seems like a common opinion and I believe there are Dyno charts to back it up that you lose low end HP by installing headers, but see gains in the upper RPM range.

LIPPSTUH

iTrader: (2)

no... there is no gains for removing resonator...
there is a gain in "performance" with rt cat

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

This list is pointless because once you start combining modifications the advertised horsepower increases go out the window.

A CAI installed on a car with no other mods will produce 10-15whp depending on if it is an automatic or a 6-speed.

A CAI installed on a car with headers, cat-back exhaust, UR pulleys, UniChip, etc is not going to and 15whp no matter what.

AARONSredTYPE-S

TRUE....JUST TRYING TO MAKE A LIST TO GIVE A GENERAL IDEA TO THOSE OUT THERE WHO ONLY WANT TO DO 1 OR 2 THINGS

aackshun

There's a button next to the A, it's called "Caps Lock" try pressing it before you put up another post...

thevikas87

iTrader: (2)

lol thanks.... FYI caps lock in forums= yelling...

are you yelling?

AARONSredTYPE-S

WOW...not so much...except 4 the wow i just did....keep this on topic people

a_martin001

Don’t forget suspension. Should always be your number 1 mod. Springs, shocks, and strut and sway bars. Not to mention synthetic fluids all around. Always have clean plugs and oil filter. Have sticky tires, and good brakes with new pads and steel lines that have been bled and new pads. Run some Sea foam through and get a tune up with new everything (hoses, plugs, fluids, valve tuning, the works) AND THEN worry about engine mods. If you are looking to turbo, get a cylinder bore, pistons, piston rods, injectors, fuel rails and fuel pump. If you are going N/A, throttle body, spacers, headers, CAI, and if it rains alot where you are get a bypass valve. Jet-coat those headers and check for leaks. I recommend a tranny cooler. With bolt on mods you can only do so much, but if you actually open her up and start thinking about things like cams or a port and polish, you can really build something. Hope this helps to someone new to this hobby. This post might not have all the “gains” everyone is looking for, but trust me, if you look at mods from the performance aspect and not the “horsepower” aspect, I don’t think the gains will really matter. With bolt on mods, at MOST youll get 50 hp. For me, I just like wrenchin on my car. I don’t race, I just want something that sounds good, is fast when I want it to be and handles predictably. Be tasteful and don’t rush!

“There are three things to automotive performance: power, price, and reliability. You only get two.”

Happy modding.

TheWeez

Zero HP gain til we see some dynos for our cars. Even then, from that I've been told by a couple automotive engineers (Acura and BMW), they don't do crap for HP (sure you can show me all kinds of dynos from the grounding cable makers but I've never seen a dyno done by a private party that showed any kinda gains). If they really did, the auto manufacturers would throw them on cause they're cheap and would allow them to increase HP ratings.

sgmotoring

I had Sunco Ground wires but couldn't feel the differents! At least I know there won't be a grounding electrical problem on the engine.

GreenMonster

Plus, without dyno runs from a baseline, you can verify anyones claims of HP gains...

Stickers = 23hp

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Synthetic VTEC fluid = 15hp

johntypes

hear goes all mods were dyno before and after I known because I did it , if you went back in search you would find it 6 1/2years ago
2001 cl type S base dyno 194.2 hp and 185.7 torque
headers,exhaust 211.5 &199
headers ,exhaust ,home made intake 225 & 201
Fuel pump ,grounding kit ,hyper kit no change
v-tech controller 3 hp
unorthodox pulleys 4.1 & 0.5
b-pipe 4 & 3.8
outlaw eng thermoblock no change
commptech ice box 6 & 0.1
random converter gain hp but lost 15 # of torque
When put all together except random converter
241.1 HP and 202.1 Torque all dyno's were done at Garage Kwai
weather played a part in # ,could differ a 1%

aackshun

Type-R Badge = +20HP
Type-S Badge = +15HP
Red Honda Badging = +20HP
DOHC VTEC Sticker = +25HP (best mod everrrr)
VTEC Sticker/Badge = +10HP

Of course these mods only work if you have any of the following: A D15 engine, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Camry, or any Geo.

I'm bored, sue me .

AARONSredTYPE-S

THANKS 4 YOUR INPUT MAN..VERY DETAILED..TOO BAD THERE IS DUMBASSES ON HERE SCREWING UP THE THREAD AND GIVING IT BAD RATINGS..and yes i'm yelling

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Lighten up; nobody likes a whiner.

Those numbers are from 1 car. And from 1 car installed over many months/years and dyno'd in different conditions.

In other words, when trying to apply his numbers to all cars and adding modifications you'll come up with precisely jack shit.

CLsuperhero

All you can do is estimate roughly what you get. WHP is where it's at! Gross HP means nothing but a good number to guess how much you may get to the wheels after you factor in drive train loss, weather conditions, etc. dyno proof is everything. Most people don't dyno until they get a lot of mods or go extreme with their setups.

Don't you think the guy at the shop would think you're retarded if you asked to dyno your car every time you did a small mod unless you're doing R&D with new prototype parts?

Some companies are honest with their numbers while others over inflate numbers. Stick with companies that are established and you won't get burned. Just search the forums and people will post what's crap and what's not. If you believe bogus claims of 100 HP from a "Super mini turbo cold air tornado intake extreme" then you deserve to get ripped off for being a stupid ricer.

mrsteve

iTrader: (1)

Unless you dyno before and then after the modification is installed on the same day/same dyno the dyno results aren't nearly as accurate as if they were done on the same day.

You're paying $65-85 for it to be done. I didn't get any odd looks with my N/A CL-S on the dyno 3 times.

'01White3.2CL

wow! i knew a lot was done to that red beauty, but didn't know it was that extensive...so remember I'm always here for you up in Glenview if you ever wanna sell that thing! lol.

[btw, i only have headers/CAI...sorry im a little off topic but w/o dynos, cant add anything to the thread...wait except, headers are definitely worth it!]

johntypes

I am a perfection person yes we dynoed the car in one bay then drove to the other bay installed it then drove it back to dyno bay and got our # I became frinds with the owner do you no what that would have cost to do each time and with all the mods I have put on .If I told you what I spent you would go into a coma,I have every recept for the last 7 years It has been my hoppie and the car is( FOR SALE)

LiquidCLs6

13.5 HP w/ home made intake? , then 6 HP w/ comptech ice box? i'm not doubting you or anything just curious as to how that worked out.

BigLizard

For the time being they get the job done.

johntypes

I can't tell you why it does not make sence ,all I am trying to show you is how much I gained with those mods 47 hp torquewas a joke
Next thing how come my car slowed down in 2nd 1/8 mile after the trans was done
1st 1/8 mile I still run 77 to 78 mph Acura tells me shoud'nt be any change

AARONSredTYPE-S

UMM,all this thread was setup for was a simple list of mods or boltons for people that are not extreme and would like to only buy a couple of things for the best money.."bang for the buck" or just a list of all the things you can do to get a little more power, like i have heard of vsa delete, and spacers for the throttle body etc....we have all these discussions about hardcore engine tuning and dynos and shit, and most of you are right about what you say, but this was not supposed to be that complicated...just a simple list of like 5-10 things thats good to do, how much it costs, and "about how much horespower they give by a single application....like if you had say 500 or 1k to spend, what would you buy......this would be my list....thanks
1.unorthodox pulley kit $200 better throttle response ?hp
2.aem headers $300-400 10whp
3.aem intake $200 ?hp
4.custom exhaust $300 ?hp
5.tranny cooler $150 0hp

LIPPSTUH

iTrader: (2)

all i see is aaron trying to create an informative thread, if you don't like it just click the back button because you're not contributing by posting cynical comments.

simple, if u think the thread is dumb, don't reply.

thesanityannex

That is not the nature of a message board.


If anything, this thread has provided me with some entertainment. Watching AARON try to control the path of the thread is mildly amusing. This thread is *officially* a joke.