Wyle E. Coyote

What's a Firebird Trans Am WS-6? I have seen two of them now and got curious. Does it have a suped-up V6 or something? How fast are they?


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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi/No Spoiler
Competch springs
35% tint
PIAA 19169 bulbs
K&N 33-2178 air filter

The Aviation Zone

VXCL

ahah nono no the ws6 is pretty much a vette with shitty handling. thos cars are v8s with ram air pushing 320hp. road and track hit 60 in 5.1. that car will eat ur cl alive granted the driver knows what to do with it. however the interior is god damn cheap.. my friend has a 2000 silver one. i onlyu drove it once, it was the fastest car i have ever driven. i would take cl over it any day even a 1st gen 3.0. chicks like my car much better and so do i excep for the fact that my 2.2 is a slug compared to it.

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http://members.home.net/vx16

CLpower

http://www.acura-cl.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004455.html

Crazy Bimmer

http://hometown.aol.com/ws6formula94/

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2002 TL Type-S
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phatpat

What VXCL said, it will eat the CL for lunch and spit out the bones. That and the Camaro SS, along with 'Vettes, NSX's, Ferrari's, and Lamborghini's, I will not mess with Yes they will murder you, even if you had 50-shot NOS (maybe). I used to admire the look, as a matter of fact I was really thinking about getting one. But place it next to an S2000 or M3, and it really has no uniqueness, IMO. Just a plain-looking domestic with a huge engine, know what I mean? I sitll wouldn't want to sit inside of one, unless I could borrow one for a couple of days at no charge. But yeah, they're almost as fast as 'Vettes, for $15k less. Maybe if I had a million dollars I'd buy one and make it a 700hp beast...

Patrick

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'97 Acura Integra LS

"You don't need a shopping cart wing to go fast..."

JRock

Now I guess it's my turn to say "What a bunch of n00bs."

First of all - all of the following cars are V8s.
The WS6 RamAir Firebird produces 325hp/350torque. The SS Camaro does 325/350.
They are the two f-bodies. The Corvette (I believe it's called the y-body) has a different cam, intake, and exhausts, not to mention the entirely different body and therefore a different suspension. That has 350/375
The Z06 even has a completely different engine. 385/385

Hope that helps.

Oh, and they're hardly limited editions - there are many WS6 and SS fbodies out there. The only real limited editions lately were the 30th Anny Camaro Z28 in '97 (I got one! ) and the 30th Anny Firebird in '99.
Then there's the Firehawk Firebird which SLP does. I don't remember what, if any, performance differences it has (I think like 10 more horsepower). I do know it has some really great suspension package.
Try www.slpeng.com I think that's their website. The Firehawk is very limited edition too.

-J

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2001 CL-S Aegean Blue/black interior spoiler, wheel locks, no-navi
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Patryn

The Firehawk will beat either the WS6 or SS out without much problem. It will get damn close to taking a stock Vette, and will beat it if the driver is good.
I had a 99 SS for a while. Great car! Lots and lots and lots of power. and even more torque. The 99 was 327 hp and 345 ft/lbs torque. 275/40/ZR17 stock all the way around. It actually has very good handling IF you're used to the way a very light-in-the-ass rear wheel drive car handles. Sideways around a turn with only a touch of the gas? Yup. Wheel spin on wet roads even when being careful? Yup. Who cares, great car anyway? Yup.

Oh, and the best limited editions are of course the Firehawk, usually limited to around 500 a year, and the 97 Camaro SS LT4. That's a car you will see very, very few of. There were only a handful of those made with that engine.

SLP is a great company. They're responsible for originally doing the SS starting in 96 (yes, 96), doing of course the Firehawk, the Imapala SS from 94-96, the Pontiac GTX (grand prix), along with a few others I forget off hand.

Wyle E. Coyote

Thanks for the info! I haven't seen too many WS-6's around here, although I see tons of SS Camaros!

Anyway, I'm not planning on racing or owning a WS-6 anytime soon. I was just curious what they had under the hood.

Patryn,

I had an 86 Camaro (86-89) and and 89 Camaro RS (89-98). I know exactly what you mean about them being very light in the ass for a RWD car! If the ground was "damp" I had to be very cautious with the accellerator. And, if I ever hit a small bump while in a turn at high speed, oh boy!

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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi/No Spoiler
Competch springs
35% tint
PIAA 19169 bulbs
K&N 33-2178 air filter

The Aviation Zone



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JRock

Yeah, put it this way: I'd be in a Camaro SS or a Firehawk right now instead of a CL-S if it wasn't for the horrible wet-weather handling. (I needed a car that would be dependable all-year-'round.)

-J

edit - well that and the ladies like a touch of luxury over raw power.

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2001 CL-S Aegean Blue/black interior spoiler, wheel locks, no-navi
Stock for now.

[This message has been edited by JRock (edited 05-20-2001).]

MyksCLS

F-bodies are fun and fast..... My mom has a 98TA and my cousin a 94'. Yeah they are fun around town and in a str8 line. There's nothing better than going out for a night of tire burning, fish tailing. But they depreciate fast real fast! My mom paid 30500 new in 98' car is worth 18500 today! 0-60 times in the regular TA and CLS stock are one second apart(TA 5.5 CLS Avg. 6.5). I'd much rather give up the one second 0-60 to gain..... handling, interior room, interior quality, durablity and refinment. Just my thoughts... Even though the TA is faster it can't hang with CLS in the curves. My mom and I have been driving that mountian rd in VA for the last couple of months....and the TA just cant hang in the curves. The few str8 parts have lil banked hills... The TA is unsteady just about to break lose. While our double wishbone setup keeps the CLS glued. I want AWD! Anybody know of any honda/acura AWD conecpts?

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2001 Silver Type S
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K&N drop in
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Razo Pedals

phatpat

Yeah, nice info guys

No. Doesn't the '01 Mustang GT go 0-60 5.5? (This is magazine times we're talking about here, I know a guy who ran 12's in his stock Trans Am.) I believe the Trans Am is 0-60 in 4.9 or 5.0. The Trans Am will murder the 'Stang.

The TA's suspension must be really crappy then, because our cars just plain suck Well, they're both huge boats, so what can you do...

Patrick

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'01 Black/Tan CL-S w/ Navi & spoiler
AEM CAI
Comptech headers & sway bars
Toyo Proxes T1-S 235/45ZR17 tires
15% tint, Infinity Perfect sub/PPI amp

'97 Acura Integra LS

"You don't need a shopping cart wing to go fast..."

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Hooch

Speedy Ronin,

The Stang vs Camaro/TA battle has been going on since before I was born. I recently went to a local drag strip just to watch. I watched Mustangs beat TAs and Camaros beat Stangs. Its hard to say who won that night ford or chevy, but I am sure no one there was racing a showroom stock car.

If you want to talk about an interesting car there was that one turbo model they made in the late eighties.

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JRock

And through the twisties.

My '97 Z28 can take turns like crazy without even squeeling the tires. I took a 90degree turn at about 50mph and it didn't break loose (well, at the time the tires were about 4 months old so they had great traction).

I don't know how well a CL-S does once it has Comptech sways/springs in it, but the way it is stock vs a stock f-body, that CL-S is going to be left WAY behind.

Not to mention the entire steeringwheel turning ratio and feedback in the f-body is ten times better than the CL-S.

After driving the Camaro the CL-S feels like I have to turn the wheel three times as much for the same road turns.

-J

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2001 CL-S Aegean Blue/black interior spoiler, wheel locks, no-navi
Stock for now.

aeon

Now THAT is a car you won't see many of anymore. FAST as hell to, they don't look like much until they're a couple blocks in front of you...

PhantomS

Yea, the grand national was & still a beast. What about its asian relative the twin turbo six? What could be the best sports car ever...

Patryn

No. He's not talking the Grand National. That was a whole different beast. There was a Turbo T/A out at one time. 4.9L turbo if I remember correctly. It had quite a small run and I'm not even sure they made it for more than a year. They were pretty quick though.

MyksCLS

I know rims and tires made a big difference on my car. But I do KNOW CLS out handles TA I've raced my cousin down that road also and hes even crazier than I am... but he still couldn't hang... As for the 0-60 times those are str8 from Pontiac on the auto TA non Ram air!

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2001 Silver Type S
Konig Toxxins 18x7.5
235/40-18 Nt555
K&N drop in
5% Lumar Tint
Razo Pedals

Sycd

Where did you get this from? TA, WS6, Firehawk, Z28, SS are pretty much the same car with the exact same engine.

WS6/Firehawk/SS have the ram-air, but this doesn't make much difference and it is easy to get the similar effects with free mods. The exhaust is different also but who keeps the stock exhaust on a F-body anyway?


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2001 Acura 3.2 CL TypeS -- White/Ebony, No Emblems
1998 Honda Prelude -- Black/Black, MN5

MyksCLS

Actually the true SLP Firehawk comes with about 40 more hp than TA or W6! Not sure how but it does!

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2001 Silver Type S
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235/40-18 Nt555
K&N drop in
5% Lumar Tint
Razo Pedals

Marine1

The "WS6" is the suspension package designation. Don't know what the HP/Torque numbers are. This is an option on almost all Firebirds.

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JRock

You are correct, Sah!

Then why does their website say it only adds 10hp?

-J

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2001 CL-S Aegean Blue/black interior spoiler, wheel locks, no-navi
Stock for now.

scalbert

The 20th Ann. '89 Turbo TA had the same 231ci 3.8L motor as the GN and what later became the 3800 series engine but the turbo was never used on it again (went to using Eaton blowers on higher production, albeit lower power versions).

The turbo was a Garrett unit with a air/air IC making in the range of 275 HP but 380 lb/ft twist.

MyksCLS

Pontiac or SLP's WEBSITE? A true SLP Firehawk or Camaro comes from SLP's factory not the Pontiac dealer....... the Pontiac dealer sells addons you can buy part of the SLP package or you can send you car o there factory for the work! The W6 option includes- Ram air, 17inch wheels, and a difrennt suspension package..... I dont know what SLP does at there factory but its much more than the dealer installs. Oh and excuse me its 30 hp over regular TA not 40! http://www.slpeng.com/2001firehawk/index.html



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2001 Silver Type S
Konig Toxxins 18x7.5
235/40-18 Nt555
K&N drop in
5% Lumar Tint
Razo Pedals