No one has it yet, to my knowledge. Afterall, it was JUST released

 

Keep in mind stock J30 ECU settings are more conservative than J32 and needs help to raise the bar.

With a crank signal seen correctly, the REAL TIME ignition timing can be viewed to determine if any advance/retard necessary and where.
The latest software version (just been released) will permit you to set the timing in the tables and later we can determine the idea of playing with rev limit cut.

Overall, looks like this EU (E-Manage Ultimate) has more advanced features than original blue unit and can be beneficial to both FI and NA (with mods) regardless of J-series motor/ECU setup

 

well that settles it. Looks like I'm gonna be working my ass off with a lot of overtime for the next few weeks before school, so I can set aside enough money for that. By the time I get one 02AV6 will have figured out most of the features and how they work with the J30 ecu, and I can just get the info from him.

The E-MU looks like it has so many cool features. I can;t wait to see how the auto tuning AF feature works on it. you gotta try that .

I just realised something. Sice I have a 99 3.0 CL and the ignition timing is handled diferently (I think) since I have to have the rear CLS cam machined for the distributor. Would I sill be able to advance timing, or will there be considerable differences in that respect?

 

Due to number of inquires here this is a list of options for J35A* swap and that's the one I posted on V6P.

J35A3/J32A2 ('01-02 MDX/CL-S '01-03) or J35A4/J32A2 (Odyssey '02-04/CL-S '01-03)
advantage: great entire powerband and especially torque.
disadvantage: Need CL-S or RL pistons.

There are also couple options:

Option 1
With '01-02 complete MDX block or '02-04 Odyssey complete block (crank/rods/pistons/oil pan) it is required to purchase 2005 Acura RL pistons (new set $50 each) This is a best option still since these pistons have clearance for large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves thus no modification needed. Despite the fact they have higher 11.0:1 CR still even supercharger can be used here with low boost up to 7psi intercooled (assuming safe AFR). In addition, if 11:1 CR is too high for you, you can use '03 CL-S pistons with 10.5:1 CR.

Option 2
'01-03 J32A2 block (CL-S)
Required to purchase the following:

-= hondaautomotiveparts.com =-
'02-'04 Odyssey (crankshaft)
Product No. 368270 or
Honda part #13310-PGK-A00

'02-'04 Odyssey (connecting rod)
Product No. 368269 or
Honda part #13210-PGK-A00

Main bearings + rod bearings

-= acuraautomotiveparts.org =-
'03 CL-S (pistons) - 10.5:1 CR or
'05 RL (pistons) - 11.0:1 CR

pistons rings (per chosen model)

Note: MDX or Odyssey pistons do not have clearance to fit large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves. Solution - custom job to increase valve pockets.

BTW, The only advantage to get J32A2 block is due to better cylinder sleeves to withstand heat designed for higher redline vehicle, otherwise depending on the price NEW Odyssey or MDX block are the best bet to skip block assembly as they come complete from the factory.

Keep in mind, J35A7/A6 '05-06 Odyssey and/or J35A5 '03-04 MDX will not fit 6th gen. AV6/CL/TL/CL-S/TL-S due to different design, and looks like might only be an option for 7th gen. AV6 '03+ and 3rd gen TL '04+

Hope it helps

 

Due to number of inquires here, this is a list of options for J35A* swap which is similar of what I posted on V6P.

J35A3/J32A2 ('01-02 MDX/CL-S '01-03) or J35A4/J32A2 (Odyssey '02-04/CL-S '01-03)
advantage: great entire powerband and especially torque.
disadvantage: Need CL-S or RL pistons.

There are also couple of options:

Option 1
With '01-02 MDX or '02-04 Odyssey complete blocks (crank/rods/pistons/oil pan) it is required to purchase 2005 Acura RL pistons (new set $50 each) This is a best option still since these pistons have clearance for large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves thus no modification needed. Despite the fact they have higher 11.0:1 CR, still even supercharger can be used here with intercooled 7psi (assuming safe AFR). In addition, if 11:1 CR is too high for you, you can use '03 CL-S pistons with 10.5:1 CR or opt for more expensive custom 9.0:1 CR pistons made by JE.

Option 2
'01-03 J32A2 block (CL-S)
Required to purchase the following:

-= hondaautomotiveparts.com =-
'02-'04 Odyssey (crankshaft)
Product No. 368270 or
Honda part #13310-PGK-A00

'02-'04 Odyssey (connecting rod)
Product No. 368269 or
Honda part #13210-PGK-A00

Main bearings + rod bearings

-= acuraautomotiveparts.org =-
'03 CL-S (pistons) - 10.5:1 CR or
'05 RL (pistons) - 11.0:1 CR

pistons rings (per chosen model)

Note: MDX or Odyssey pistons do not have clearance to fit large 36mm J32A2 (intake) valves. Solution - custom job to increase valve pockets.

BTW, The only advantage to get J32A2 block is due to better cylinder sleeves to withstand heat designed for higher redline vehicle, otherwise depending on the price NEW Odyssey or MDX block are the best bet to skip block assembly as they come complete from the factory.

Keep in mind, J35A7/A6 '05-06 Odyssey and/or J35A5 '03-04 MDX will not fit 6th gen. AV6/CL/TL/CL-S/TL-S due to different design, and looks like might only be an option for 7th gen. AV6 '03+ and 3rd gen TL '04+

Hope it helps

 

You could build an N/A beast with the RL pistons

Buying a complete MDX block would still require striping the motor to install the new pistons though correct? Or am I missing something here?

A complete MDX shortblock assembled costs $1369.39... hmmmm

 

Honestly... I never realized how cheap this swap really is. Anyone who is looking at supercharging might want to look into just doing the motor swap and saving a few bucks. Seems like for under $2,500 you could be up and running (including labor).


Maybe I'll sell the S/C'er and build a N/A beast

 

Sure you could with RL pistons.

Yep, but it's easy just to swap pistons on MDX block then complete 3.5 assembly on Type S block. Still guys with existing Type S block just need crank, rods, bearings and good engine builder.

 

I'm saying... the labor involved in swaping pistons. I'm not familiar with engine building. Would the block need to be stripped down to swap the pistons? I'd assume so. But I'm a n00b.

 

You would need to remove oil pan and rods to swap the pistons on MDX block and leave the crank alone.

When using hybrid setup like my with Type S block and 3.5 internals you'd need to assemble main bearing on the crank, install rods with bearings, add pistons/rings and put everything together.

 

Yeah if I did it I'd buy the MDX block assembled.

Hmmm I wonder how much labor would be. How many hours does something like this take?

 

Complete labor (removal/assemby/reinstall) should take from 8-10 working days assuming the shop has every part. The price range however, varies from $1800-$3500

 

Speaking about NA beast, I sold NEW J35A5 ('04 MDX) complete block and Type S pistons to a 7th gen AV6 fella shifting 6MT. With ACT clutch/ Tein SS coilovers/CAI and exhaust he should run decent times and some stockers posted 14.2 with CAI.

 

And guess what, Type S with 6 MT can be even more NA monster with 3.5 swap.

 

Uh huh... but you said 8-10 working days? Or hours? 8-10 days is fucking expensive! 10 days @ 8 hours a day would add up really quickly!

 

I honestly think it should take no more than 48-50 hours or 6 working days which means the shop would spend 100% time on your car To speed up the process you can try to remove upper engine yourself and leave just stock short block alone to let the shop to remove it. That would save about a 8-10 hours.

 

Hmmm... if I blew the short block I have now... I know my dealership would throw the MDX block on there for me...

 

Blow the short block and get acura to throw on the MDX block. I might find the answer out for you on this one tomorrow morning. But if I gotta pay for it , I'll just be happy to get my car outta there as cheap as possible

 

This sounds interesting....may put this on my "to do list"....thanks for the information Serge!

 

NP

 

Scratch having Acura do it if I have to cough up the dollars, I just found a local speed shop who claims they can uncercut Acura's prices easily and also give me some "lower engine mods" which will give me some gains. What the heck are lower engine mods? I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about swapping my block out? Guess if you're rebuilding an engine, other possibilities open up? We'll see.

 

That's why I spend 99+% of my time on the CL site.

Ruf

 

Keep in mind that the true potential isn't realized yet. With tuning, maybe now possible with the EU, one could get even more out of the displacement bump. Plus, the cost is in the labor, not the parts. And you don't have a single company to support it.

However, you will not get the same gains out of it as with the SC. Forced Induction does provide greater potential gains.

 

Yes FI has more potential for power but there's something about being N/A that's just awesome.

I'm really just talking out of my ass. I couldn't part with the S/C.

 

Hey what up Serge? My name is Christian and i am in the process of doing the 02-04 mdx block with type S piston with the j30a4 head. From what i am being told by Serge and my mechanic, my car is going to be a real beast and will have trouble with wheel hop @ the track. But luckily my friend sold my some BF Goodrich DR 225/45/17 dirt cheap so i will be using those on the track and sometimes maybe on the street. If you want to take a look @ my swap this is the link: http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...ad.php?t=58676
I will try to have my mechanic take pictures of the swap so i can post them. I owuld do them myself, but i currently have two jobs and i work from 6am to 11:30 pm to support my habit of modifying my car.

 

Speaking of the devil

 

We'll see how I can utilize EU tuning with both 3.5L + SC soon.

 

I'll see what i get as a piggy back. Will probably just get safc and get it tuned after the 1000 mile mark. Hope everything turns out great after you receive your Greddy EU. Hey when are you going to time your car again? Hopefully i can take my car in October and hit a mid to low 13.

 

also here goes another link of some of the stuff that i bought to go along with this and before shots of my car: http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...d=1#post754072

 

hey guys!

Couple questions:

Anybody know the wrist pin O.D. on the RL Pistons(05)?

Can an 89mm piston fit in a 89.92 mm bore???(90mm)

i am going to build a motor up and will let u guys know how it went because if everything goes right...

3.5L type 2 supercharged....Some may know .

LEGEND.

 

WTF is a "type 2" supercharged

 

type 2 is herpes isnt it





i guess the supercharge part means he was blown

 

legend type ii engine bored out?

naw..

 

perhaps...hehe, your closest so far. Anybody who knows of a type 2 and what it could be capable of it...knows what they meant by "flagship"

can someone help me out on the dimensions and such.

much appreciated.

 

here is the fastest running legend.

mine will be faster.

13.57

Ps- not his fastest run

 

I believe the type 2 motor in the legend has like 230hp or something. I can't remember if it has a manual transmission or automatic though. Anyway, what is on that legend to run that? Bolt ons + nitrous?

 

U know it then.

Custom w/ nitrous with 6spd swap.


Mine will be same block/head combo, but with swapped pistons(if i can get info!) and a custom m90 supercharger adaption.., no NOS.

Now if i can get some dimesions on the wrist pin size etc on the piston i will be underway.

thanks.

 

Yup, 230 hp with either automatic or manual I believe. I know for a fact definetly manual.

I believe it was C32 so its similar to a NSX motor. Probably what he was alluding to with "flagship" and probably where the supercharger is coming from since I don't believe there was an application for the Legends.

 

yes here is details..

C32a is same series as the NSX and shares similiarties, except NSX is dohc. It is more in common with the C35 from the RL which is just a stroked version.

I am going to drop in a 02 C35 with 220hp and 245 lbs torque and has forged rods but with the C32 type 2 heads which are waay better cam wise, then going to TRY and put in the 05 RL pistons to bump up compression and then custom manifold to bolt a m90 supercharger to.

SO if i can get the outer wrist pin dia on those pistons from someone here who has done there research i can start my project. Which should be fun.

thanks in advance.

PS_ we have found out we can 95% sure use a lighter CL-S flywheel in our car.....

 

are the j35a4 motor mounts and the j32a2 mounts the same?