ModAddict

No, the EMS does what it's supposed to. The problem I see with the stock kit is the abnormally high fuel pressure being delivered to the stock fuel injectors thru a rising rate fuel pressure regulator. This type of engine management system is comonly known as a hack, and is cheaper, and less realiable. You are basically jamming the living fvck out of the fuel injectors to get enough fuel to keep the engine from going boom.

Tuning is your friend, and E-Manage allows you to do so, the stock CT kit does not.

italiaCLs

OK... now you got me worried about his stock ESM system.... So how much is this E-manegement??? is how would I go about getting one??? How would it be intsalled? at the same time as if it where the ESM???? Thanks a lot-

ModAddict

I assume the kit in question is used and therefore has no warranty anyways. DO NOT waste your time with the stock boost pulley. Do it right the first time or you'll be doing it twice!

ModAddict

Do not fear the CT EMS. It's just a voltage block, and works as such. It has nothing to do with the rising rate fuel pressure regulator and jamming the injectors.

The object of the E-Man is to lower the fuel pressure to the injectors, while tuning the fuel delivery from the injectors. The E-Man can also block the voltage like the CT EMS does, so you will not have to buy the EMS if you get the E-Man.

Contact Hope Systems Inc. for $$ info on E-Manage packeges available with tuning.

Scalbert,... Chime in here anytime

ModAddict

http://www.hopesystemsinc.com/index.asp

italiaCLs

WOW.. 800 bucks for the E-manegement. All just worry about it later. for now ill just get the stock ESM from comptech.. im sure ill be fine.
Thanks for all your help though. now all I have to do is get this supercharger from thin jim..... ive sent him back about 3 PM's and he hasnt responded... I hope he gets back to me soon..

Chaptorial

Unless your gonna up your boost past the 5.5 psi the HBP will give you, i'd save your money and skip on the E-manage.

Plus if you do decide to go with 9 psi of boost with the intercooler, which then requires the Emanage, you'll really need to consider upgrading your 5A transmission.

Thats a lot of dough for someone who's only looking to spend $4k+

ModAddict

I honestly believe the addition of the high boost pulley will push the injectors to a dangerous level, and one reason why CT stopped where they did. The kit is fine out of the box, but because of the nature of the rising rate fuel pressure regulator and the high flow fuel pump supplied with the kit, upping the boost will push the fuel pressure right to the edge.

derelict

^^^ yet CT makes the HBP... despite the potential fuel pressure problems?

ModAddict

They've also been saying they've been working on a piggy-back engine management system to go along with the HBP,.... because of the potential fuel pressure problems!

italiaCLs

wow.... I dont like the sound of that.

ThinJim

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Check with scalbert, HBP for the alternator only is not a problem, you run into problems if you also change the blower pulley to acheive 8-9 lbs of boost. then ic is needed. jeeese

ModAddict

italiaCLs, I'm not trying to scare you, or saying you'll have problems. I put 20K miles on my TLS with the HBP, w/o E-Manage, w/o problems, and most others are also doing fine so far. All I'm saying is if you want to do it right from the start, go with the E-Manage, and then add the IC kit as soon as you can.

italiaCLs

Ok... im just going to stick with getting the supercharger and H/B pulley and all of the cooling stuff. also teh gauges etc.....

ModAddict

If you don't get the fuel pump and smaller battery with the kit, you will need that also. About the gauges, you should at least keep an eye on the fuel pressure. Headers will breath extra life into the blower also. That should take care of the rest of your $$$$

italiaCLs

cool. im planning on getting gauges for boost and fuel pressure.

scalbert

The HBP can be run without the E-manage but it does do as well. The problem is the very high pressure which gets run. You end up very rich down low with a spike to the lean side with the switch to the hot cam lobe. It gets a little richer shortly there after but starts leaning out some more on the way to redline.

Point being, it is far from a flat A/F ratio which is not ideal for power.

However, if you plan on running just the HBP and stopping there, you should be fine. If you plan on taking it further down the road and have the extra cash on had, make the move now as you will be better off.

scalbert

I forgot, what is your commission rate Brad.

ModAddict

darrinb

he just misses his s/c too much, lol

Seattle Cl-S

Do you think you could net any significant gains by adding the eManage to the HBP or just a safer A/F ratio?

scalbert

I don't know about peak power as you can tune the FPR to give a pretty good A/F ratio at your peak power point. But you could certainly help the lower end of the rev band picking up some power there.

I wouldn't be suprised if you could get a little power up top still with some tuning though.

Red Rider

How is the HBP working for you ? Any probs or pinging with the 92 ?? Just wondering, i'm waiting for my HBP to arrive and i'll be running 94-95 octane on a regular basis

power3dfx

im guessing and hoping you are not planning to put in racing fuel everytime you fill up to raise the octane. that would cost an extra 10 bucks per tank minimum! im in cali too, so id like to here any worthwhile idea you may have, though i have thought through all of them and cant find a cost efficient one!

Red Rider

The only way to raise the octane is to mix, once the HBP is on, i will fill it 60-40 and average 94-95. I ran it for the last 2 weeks and could feel the difference after a couple of days.

It's not cheap, but neither was the SC, and to get the most out of it will cost. The mix will bring the gallon average to about $3.50 per.