4pumpedCL

I was wondering if the CL and the Accord V6 are really essentially based on the same platform? Could you swap engines between the two with relative ease? Is all the suspension relatively the same? The springs, upper and lower controls arms and all that.

Thanks

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CLpower

identical. THe only difference is the engine head and body paneling

CLpower

could you explain this to me?


http://www.artofnoize.com/Cars/fred.htm


the car doesn't drive right? how the fuck you replace the motor w/ 2 electric ones?

and how the fuck you gonna drive it w/ a joy stick?



show car only right?

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Dyno_CL-S

in that case, they should drop at least the cl-p & maybe cl-S engine into the accord. this will give more performance to the honda line. maybe a accord type-s or si like they did w/ the civic.


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CLpower

why, it would just take sales away from the CL and TL

4pumpedCL

Mr CLPower,

Fred is a little unusual. That car is nothing that will ever see the streets. I don't think it's even registered anymore. It's pretty much just a big stereo with a Honda Accord sell around it right now. I don't understand either...but to each their own.

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1997 Accord coupe EX-L. Chrome suspension, Chrome motor, every bolt-on imaginable. One pump, 8 dump hydraulics with accumulators. Leather, Billet grills, 18" Neeper Shadows...etc..etc http://www.artofnoize.com/Cars/aaron.htm

1990 Toyota standard cab. Bodydropped 3". 17" KMC Nemesis', extensive suspension work. 4 wheel airbags.

typeR

i dont know why you'd say that cause thats exactally what the new accrod will get ...ELLIOT was quoted as saying 240 hp...thats not enough...expect a type saomething accord coupe with 260 or more


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Rod

That'll suck! I'll be pissed if they make an Accord faster than our CL-S. I seriously doubt that'll happen, unless the CL-S gets bumped to about 300 horses.

CLpower

wanna put money down that it won't happen, i'll bet you 100$

the reason, the post right above this one, CL and TL owners would be pissed, and people wouldn't waste their time on them, they would just get accords

typeR

how many tl owner were pissed we got type s? then they got it then were getting v-6 ...how can they not do it is the real question its as simple a swap as possible...and i wouldnt be surpirsed if we get bumped to a 3.5 again an easy swap now AWD that'd be sweet ya ill bet 1$ you on???

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CLpower

but the TL and CL are the same car, so it was just a matter of time until the TL type S came out. The TL and CL are an upgrade for accord buyers who want to spend a little more money on luxury and speed. If the accord recieved the same motor, it would be stupid to waste your money on the TL or CL.

Dyno_CL-S

so whats the diff between the civic si and a reg integra?? same chasis, same eng....just one comes w/ more x-tras then the other....just like the first gen cl and the 98-2000 accord had the same engine....both had a 3.0 "upgrade" eng. i think honda will up the hp to 220, cl eng, to be able to compete w/ the altima....the maxiam will be kicking its ass , in terms of hp. shit, the max hangs with some cl's....thats only 222hp !!! the altima now gets 240hp. do you think if i spend $22,000 plus+ on a accord that i would want to get beat by a altima, plase!

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CLpower

sure you would if you wanted a honda and didn't care about getting beat by an altima, but the altima won't be cheap exactly either. And i could believe 220 HP, but i doubt they'll throw in the type S motor into an accord. That is all i am saying. The accord will always be lesser of a car then the CL-TL. And also, the 3.0 motor came out in the CL first, the accord at the time had a 2.7 liter V6.

typeR

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Dyno_CL-S

ok, i agree w/ you on the merit that the accord will not see the 3.2 260 hp CL-S eng and if they do drop it in the accord, i'll be surprised....but not shit my pants. on the 2.7 in the accord and the 3.0 in the CL....are you sure??? i thought i read that somewhere?? dont they both also output 200hp???

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typeR

i didnt mean to reply w /quote to myself but i meant were getting a 6 speed the accord is the same watch!!!



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jjsf

I thought the tranny is also different. Or are they?

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Rod

Well the Accord doesn't have Sport Shift.

Dyno_CL-S

i was talking bout the first gen cl, not the 2001+ cl. in fact, my g/f's 2001 accord coupe has almost the same cockpit as the cl.....with minor changes.

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CLpower

so was I, i have a first generation CL

CLpower

and dyno, the Civic SI and the integra don't have the same engine


the SI has a 160 HP b16a 1.6 liter
the integra GSR is a 180 HP b18c 1.8 liter

so there is a difference

thholr

it will be fine , cause that will just mean that we will get somewhere around 300 + to keep our cars in line. I mean all it woudl take is new intake and headers and bam 300hp.


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DtEW

There is one issue that you guys should be concerned about. Remember what happened to many Integra Type R's and why the GS-R is one of the lossiest vehicles for the insurance industry? Thieves stole these for their parts and engines to satisfy import racers' demand to build hybrid Civics.

Being that your headlights are already targets for thieves, it is completely conceiveable that Type-S engines and trannies (most likely drops in w/relative ease into the Accord and Accord Coupe) might become the new hot item.

I dunno what can be done should that become the case. Alarms are meager Band-Aids. I guess that's one unanticipated disadvantage of platform engineering.

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typeR

the first gen cl is on the '94-97 accord platform


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CLpower

what the fuck does this have to do w/ anything in this conversation?

CLpower

i know that, thats why i said that the accord had a 2.7 liter v6 the same year my 3.0 debued.

Dyno_CL-S

SOL!! cl-power, your right. the cl was first with the 3.0 but the following in 98 the accord did get a 3.0, 200 hp eng. the civic si is a 1.6L, 160 hp and the teg gsr is a 1.8L 170hp. my example was for the 98 accord and 98 cl, they both kicked out 200 horseies. just a question, what makes you think they wont design the accord to be like the cl this coming year??



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DtEW

It's called a tangent, genius.

4pumpedCL is asking about the possibility of part swaps between the Accord and the CL. You guys have confirmed that possiblity. If from there you still can't see:

1. How it might become fashionable for Accord guys to drop a Type S engine into their car (like it currently is for the Type R/GS-R engines into Civics)...

2. How that demand for Type S engines might lead to increased theft of the CL-S/TL-S, and...

3. How you being CL guys, that might be something to beware of,

...I dunno how else to further clarify my point.

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CLpower

because it wouldn't be profitable for their acura line. They have just released a brand new series w/ the TL & CL -S along w/ the new body lines. The accord is ment for those who can't afford those. The basic economy car. If you wanted a little extra umff from a accord V6 you'd buy the CL or TL.

Why take away those sales from the TL and CL by making a hot rod accord. It doesn't make sense. The civic is economy, if you want a little more out of that economy and a little luxury and a bigger motor, you obviously buy the integra.

it's all economical

mrdeeno

but the tl isn't new anymore, it's in it's 4th year, and by the time the new accord is out next year, it'll be in its 5 year and then it'll be redesigned, and shortly after the cl (i'm sure it'll be less than 2 years after the new tl, which the current cl was (99 vs. '01)

there would be some overlap, but only a year at most. but everyone else does it too...the next camry will probalby have more power than the current es300 and probably approach it amenities wise, but then the es-whatever would be updated shortly after.

same with the altima and maxima...there's gonna be a moment where the altima is in maxima territory, but then they're gonna change the maxima.

some people make it seem that the new accord is already out and that the tl and cl are gonna stay the same for a long time, which it's not.

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tw1112

Totally agree! Its like a camry and a ES300...almost the same car but one is a lexus and the other is a toyota.

Honda Accords will always be a step behind the CL's and TL's because of the money factor.

In 98 when the released the CL and the Accord, yes they both did have the same engine and stuff, why then did I buy a CL? I liked it a whole lot more..it felt a lot more comfortable and I it felt different when I test drove them. There's always goind to be a difference somewhere..

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tw1112

True...I dont think people buying a CL would be looking primarily for HP...

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typeR

...have you been in an accord v-6 ex???25K$ i paind 286 for my cl 3000 difference thats not for people who cant afford tl/cl shit i bet i could get a cl-P for 25$ now the accord i4 LX might be alittle budget minded but they're two different animals believe me my other car is very luxurious...you said it your self the current altima has more power than the current MAX???but the max is due too..watch this will be answered soon...one year after cl got 3.0 v-6 the accord got it



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CLpower

sorry to burst your bubble, yes the v6 accord is expensive. But what i said is true, just ask acura yourself. It's the upper model. Sure people will still buy the accord v6 because they think it looks better or better suits their needs, but my statements are correct.