dbox

what companys can we choose from? how much of a drop do they offer?

thnx

chikai

are you asking about height adjustable struts or height adjustable springs?

I think I read the Koni's had three perches for different height adjustment.

I have the TEIN SS coilovers. They can be dropped 3+ inches or raised a little under stock height.

A few have the Ground Control (soopa?) which only adjusts height, and you must purchase separate struts for best results.... and others have NEX full coilovers. I heard the NEX's suck...and the struts are easily blown...once that happens you're SOL

dbox

IC. thnx chikai. i guess i will just go with tein ss then. i want my shit slammed and the teins just dont look low enough to me. i was thinking of getting new (lower)springs and going with a height adjustable or lower shock to get the drop i want. i am looking for the fender to tire NO FINGER GAP look.

Titand19

Teins here, they are awsome. If you got $$$, get the Zeals.

dbox

how much are zeals? if over 1200....FUK THAT.

AgentDSS

How much would I be looking to pay for Tein SS? How hard are they to install? If you guys had a dealer install, what prices did you guys pay?

How hard is it to change height?

chikai

bjxlax (or something like that) has them for $850

They are similar to installing normal lowering springs. So if you are mechanically inclined...do it yourself. Honda tends to build their suspension parts to be fool proof.

Kalin

You can just about do it without spring compressors (and using an impact wrench). It is a serious piece of cake. If you have never done it before but want to learn, the Honda suspensions are definitely the way to go.

To change height you jack up the corner (or drive on a lift) and spin the perches using the included perch wrenches.

CLS2001_97124

Hey Kalin, long time no see (online).. how's things? I thought you went to Florida? Anyway, good to see you back.

Juker008

Whats so special about the Zeals compared to the TEINs?

Hey Kalin where is Fla. do u now live?















Juker008

peiqinglong

The Zeal B6 Function are like true track coilovers with stiffness of 12kfg in the front and 9kfg in the rear. To put that in perspective, Tein's is 7kfg in the front and 4kfg in the rear. The Zeals run last I checked on the groupbuy for $1650 shipped I believe.

Edit: The Tein springs can be upgraded. My upgraded front Teins are in awaiting for arrival and installation. The upgrades will put my front at 9kfg.

chikai

wow...so they are not going to have upgraded springs for the rear? How much is that going to run?

edit: wouldn't changing just the front spring weight and not the rear throw off the balance of the car. Seems like the change is pretty significant...

peiqinglong

They do offer spring upgrades for the rear...just no money to do it right now . I can't say the price exactly. All I can tell you is that it's ordered through blxmjx and you should contact him if your interested. The rears are upgraded to 6kfg.

It might throw off the balance of the car...we'll see. Because of my drop, the front keeps bottoming out and the rear seems to be fine. I also have sways so that might counter any balance issues, but we'll see.

AgentDSS

Do you have to take the wheel off after it's jacked, to change height?

Kalin

No, you don't have to take the wheel off.

chikai

you probably don't have to...in fact I did a couple of times to fine tune the adjustment.

but it's highly not recommended. If the jack slips, your forearms will be caught between the tire and fender....SNAP...goes your bones

That probably wouldn't feel too good

VTEChump

Hey Chikai,

Can you be more speific when you say a little under stock height?
Is it like an inch lower than stock height or even closer than that?

Also, when you turn the collar to raise/lower the car up or down does the spring compress/decompress ??
If so does that mean the higher you raise the car the more compressed the spring is and the more dampening you need?

The reason I ask is I want to get the TEINs, but during the winter I will have to raise the car back up to stock height for clearance issues.

chikai

That's the exact reason why I got TEINs...the winters here are horrible. oh...and I noticed you have a 1st Gen, I'm not familiar with the suspension setup so I don't know if they have TEINs for you.

Anyway, when I compared the stock spring/strut assembly to the TEIN coilovers at full height, visually they were about an inch or so different (TEINs lower of course). I've never set the perch at the highest setting so I don't have full proof.

I don't think the springs compress or decompress if height is changed. Basically when you change the height of a car the springs will stay the same because that's what is holding your car up. Anyway, I tried to draw a visual to figure it out myself but I think I'm more confused now.

Anybody else have some input on this?

VTEChump

So did you raise your car up this past winter?? If so did you have any problems???

What I was reffering to about the spring compressing/decompressing is when you turn the collar (pointed out in the link below) does the spring move with the collar or does the whole "shock casing" become longer???

Hope this makes more sense..


http://public.fotki.com/natehaley/cl...comparo-1.html

Oh and I don't have my first gen anymore, traded up for a TL type S that I plan on getting the TEINs for....

dbox

i am asking if there is a SHOCK alone that can lower the car.

typeR

yes the koni yellows have 2 models for our car one has 2 positions lower than stock and the other has one which is = to the lowest postion on the model with two adjustments for a total lowering capability of 20mm rear 25.4 mm is 1 inch

Aegean CL-S

Of course you have to take the wheel of in order to gain access to the adjustment rings on the struts, I'm curious to see how the upgraded springs on the Tein's would feel. Does anyone know the upgraded spring rates?

SanDogDewey

Originally posted by dbox
i am asking if there is a SHOCK alone that can lower the car.

However the shock won't lower the car. The springs determine the height of the car. If you put a shock that can be shortened or lengthened you are going to either bottom out the shock or over extend it with the wrong spring. The shock and spring should be matched so that the shock dampens the spring throughout it's length of travel.

dbox

so your saying if i had konis with my h&r race springs my car would be lower but shock wouldnt alone be doing the lowering? i have stock shocks now...

SanDogDewey

Correct, the springs will lower the car, the shocks have nothing to do with it. The shocks do not support the suspension of the car, they dampen the compression and expansion of the spring.

SanDogDewey

Correct, the springs will lower the car. The shocks do not support the suspension, They dampen the compression of the spring.

ELITE TYPE S

anybody know the cheapest place online to order the koni yellows?