ok so i just bought xs power headers for my 6 speed.

i was wondering if it's possible to install them without a lift because that's the only thing i don't have free access to.

and also should i or can i use my stock gaskets becuase everyone says that the ones that they come with are shit as well as the bolts.

 

you dont need a lift but some ramps would save you lots of hassle.
you can reuse the gaskets. just use the O-ring gaskets. and get the good bolts

 

I would just take it to the local shop..

 

Thats rediculous. Headers are easy once all the bolts are loose, don't waste your money. Local shops in my area wanted between $200 and $300 to install them. Besides, working on your own vehicle teaches you about the vehicle.

I don't know about anybody else's car here but when I had my CL, even at stock height it would not go up ramps because the overhang on the front was too long and low.

You need jack stands, thats it. Also, I used the gaskets that came with them and they were fine as far as I was concerned. You might want to upgrade the bolts though.

 

How long would it take??

 

If you can get the cat bolts loose without any problems, 2-3 hours should do. I had to have a shop cut off two rusty bolts though. It made life a lot easier though. I recommend soaking the bolts to the cat everyday for a week prior to the install. It should help a lot.

 

I know my resanotor is fucked up i just looked under it.. Its been hit.. So i might just cut it and do a stright pipe and magnaflow mufflers..

 

Just an FYI, if you take out the resonator altogether, it will sound terrible. Almost everyone who does that ends up putting it back on.

 

I had a shop do my headers because I don't have access to an impact wrench, and even if you soak the cat bolts for a week, there's no guarantee they're going to come off with just hand tools. I consider myself a pretty strong guy since I tend to snap bolts all the time and I couldn't get them to budge at all. Stupid me didn't have the shop upgrade the bolts and now I hear a slight rattle under excelleration with mine, so definitely do that.

 

I dunno what u call but its like a second muffler that those two pipes are coming out of at the end..

 

no shit dumbass. it keeps the car from sounding like absolute ass. go ahead and do it. i hope you like it.

 

Ahahaa

ok i am not going to do it now.. yes i am a dumbass

 

If you can get a shop to do it under $200, I say let them do it. otherwise make it a good day project for yourself and save the money.

 

sorry man it may have been a bit harsh, but you sure are hard-headed. he just told you what it did yet you still questioned it. you need to start reading more and posting less. you will gain much more knowledge that way.

 

header install is a bit of a PITA if you have rust on the bolts. if you have a friend that has an oxy-acetylene torch you will find that everything is SO much easier with that. this is the kind of torch that is used most frequently in refridgeration jobs for welding copper fittings etc. my dad has one and we used to when we did my friends cat-back and my muffler swap.

the bolts were completely rusted to the point where you couldnt even tell where the nut and bolt became 2 pieces...they looked like one piece.

we hit the NUT with the torch for a few seconds and it came off easy as hell w/ no wd40 or anything required. its very important to heat the NUT and not the bolt as much because you want to expand the nut not the bolt...otherwise you are defeating the purpose of using heat.

so try and get your hands on one of those, but be careful because they are dangerous when used improperly.

 

fucking

listen to the Helmet.

 

ok..

So whats ur opinion on the mufflers??? Cuz my second muffler is messed up..I also would like a lil sound while i am doing this.. I like the magnaflow muffler sound..

 

your muffler is messed up how? like just a little dinged or what? mine is like that too from being so low. it shouldnt be affecting performance.

if you want a little bit of good sound i say just get some headers and intake. when i had those on my car i thought it sounded amazing with the stock mufflers.

if you like the magnaflow sound then why not just go with some magnaflow mufflers with stock piping/resonator?

the other route might be to leave the stock cans and get a comptech B pipe fitted on there. i never did that myself but i always thought that if it was paired with the stock muffs then it would sound awesome.

 

Probably. Especially with headers and an intake.

 

lol you love rubbing it in dont ya

but just get headers, anything else isnt going to gain much, if anything, besides sound

 

okay so it seems like too much work but i am tempted to do it myself but i just spoke to my cousin who has a hook up at a shop and he got his comptech headers for his tsx installed for $50.

 

ill tell you right now that its gonna be more for your car. its more of a PITA. there is less room in our bays...not to mention we have two manifolds....not one like the tsx

 

u know it.

 

Yup, just like citytypeslow said..... 4 Cylinder vs 6. Much easier

 

this shop won't charge more its his friends shop so he said 50$ for my car too.

 

but i do want to try it myself though

 

Putting on headers really isnt much of a learning experience. I put them on myself because it isnt that hard. But honestly, if I had a place that would do it for $50 I probably would have had them do it.

 

then do it.

theyre just bolts, you can always put them back on

 

yea i would have to agree with him. it doesnt take much of a learning curve to do it, so if someone could do it right and fast for 50 bucks i would prob take it there. try working on some suspension or brakes. then you can really rack in some knowledge

 

i know this shop here that will do it for 100 bucks..

 

hey what do ya know another worthless post. quit whoring this shit up. knowbody cares what your postcount is

 

i would do it at the shop for $50.... the back header is a BITCH and a half without hte proper tools..

 

I found that adjustable head wrenches work really well, because I think they manifold bolts are only torqued to around 40ftlbs and this helps with the rear manifold area.
I changed the headers on my car around 80,000 miles and my bolts were pretty rusted, but I sprayed some wd 40 and all was well.
Its simple, one part comes off, another goes on in its place, its as easy as that.

 

Okay, since this thread is being answered by all your 2nd gen know it alls, here's my dillema. Had a shop install the headers with the crappy bolts. The headers make a rattling noise. I'm figuring it's the bolts. How do you suggest I go about replacing the bolts? In other words, will I have to loosen every bolt (ones to cat and to heads) or could I techically just take out the manifold to A pipe bolts and replace them one side at a time? I did notice that the two flanges at the front manifold to A pipe are not perfectly matched, they're slightly off so there's an 1/8th of an inch lip due to them being slightly off. Do you guys think the rattling noise is due to this and the crappy bolts or am I just hearing the sound of rushing air going through the headers? It's not constant, only after the tranny shifts. Oh god don't tell me it's the tranny!

 

i think the stock bolts are reused for the Cat-Header connection...

 

I used the crappy bolts and mine works just fine...

You are probably hearing RESONANCE...

I though the same thing for a minute...then i talked to everybody I knew that has knowledge about aftermarket headers. And they all kept on telling me it is resonance that sounds like a metal clanging sound. You should be fine with your tranny.

 

they are.

 

Hmm, you're probably right. I've never had that with all the 4 bangers I've put headers on in the past, but then again I never had a humming issue with all the intakes I put on those 4 bangers either. These 6's sure are weird, but awesome!

I guess I just needed the reassurance, thanks Green!

 

I would deffinately get under there and if not replace but at least check all the bolts. I initially used the bolts that came with mine and a few vibrated loose causing a rattleing sound. I also found that the cat shield was loose as well. Once everything was tightend it was fine. I also replaced a few of the bolts as well.

 

Very interesting, Helmet. I had the cat heat shield blast off of my CRX Si after installing a header years ago and wondered if that might be the rattling on the CL, but after hearing Green say it's just the sound of the headers, I'm not sure what I think anymore. I'll have to jack her up this weekend and just check it out. I bought all the tools to do the job, sans impact wrench, so I guess replacing the bolts if it is that wouldn't be too bad, or tightening the cat heat shield, which ever might be the case.