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03-22-2005, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 123456SPEED
The US has some of the cheapest gas prices in the world so our friends and neighbors can drive their gas guzzling large trucks and SUVs to the office everyday.
Half of the world's known oil supplies have been consumed in 100 years. Now with high demand in the 3rd world and China too it's all downhill from here.
Because of all the waste in the US, I say the higher price the better.
Half of the world's known oil supplies have been consumed in 100 years. Now with high demand in the 3rd world and China too it's all downhill from here.
Because of all the waste in the US, I say the higher price the better.
OPEC's oil reserves are sufficient to last another 80 years at the current rate of production, while non-OPEC oil producers' reserves might last less than 20 years. Give China another 5 years and they'll be using more than the US. Live it up boys while you can, this won't last forever and expect to see some major changes to all our lifestyles before we check out of this world in regards to fuel. Go to this site, http://www.opec.org/home/ and it will tell you everything you need to know. Just do the math on known oil reserves and present day consumption. There are oil fields in the middle east that have been producing oil for over 50 years, they have to be getting low. Also, did you know that for every gallon of oil we pump out of the ground, we leave 2 gallons behind. At this point, we don't have the technology to get it all. More trivia, out of a 55 gal. barral of oil, we get about 20 gallons of gas. (so I'm told) of course the left over by-product is used for other things and a lot of it is just unuseable.
03-22-2005, 09:40 PM
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kind of doesn't make sense that the two of the most crowded, highest cost of living states, CA and NJ are at opposite ends of the gas spectrum, nj withe the lowest, ca with the highest. maybe cause your state is better looking than this eye sore-well there are a few nice areas
03-22-2005, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by m&b6speed
kind of doesn't make sense that the two of the most crowded, highest cost of living states, CA and NJ are at opposite ends of the gas spectrum, nj withe the lowest, ca with the highest. maybe cause your state is better looking than this eye sore-well there are a few nice areas
NJ has more refineries to process fuel. Alot of the fuel that is distributed to the northeastern states comes from NJ. They have the refineries to do it.
03-23-2005, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
Had to put $10 in last night. 93 was anywhere from $2.37-$2.49. 87 was $2.17-$2.39 South FL
$10? that's not gonna last long. i've never understood why 'so many' people dont just fill up.
it's good i dont have a hummer!
i'd like to test drive the Lexus RX hybrid.
03-23-2005, 11:01 AM
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Buy a two wheeler or an old Yugo if you can't afford the gas. Be happy you don't own a sport utility that gets 5 - 10 mpg. :whocares: Quit you're 
ing. It will be $3 by this summer. My 
ing. It will be $3 by this summer. My
03-23-2005, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by golf99
premium $1.03 per liter canadian in vancouver b.c ......ouch!!!!!! 
03-23-2005, 11:49 AM
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$10? that's not gonna last long. i've never understood why 'so many' people dont just fill up.
it's good i dont have a hummer!
i'd like to test drive the Lexus RX hybrid.
it's good i dont have a hummer!
i'd like to test drive the Lexus RX hybrid.
03-23-2005, 10:33 PM
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I just bought a new motorcycle to save me money on gas. I save $40 per month on gas, and the bike payment is only $150 per month 
. Damn, I should have taken some more math classes.
. Damn, I should have taken some more math classes.
03-25-2005, 10:54 PM
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There is certainly a drop in performance when you go to a lower octane fuel with the CL-S. I have a lease and I still put the 93 in religiously. I figure not only get the best performance out of the vehicle, but also keep it out of the dealer for minor repairs and also get better gas mileage.
03-26-2005, 01:08 AM
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Taken from Beyond.ca
(http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.p...s&pagenumber=2)
Demystifying Octane Ratings
In general, three grades of gasoline are available in the United States: regular (AKI = 87), midgrade (AKI = 89) and premium (AKI = 91 to 94). The posted gasoline AKIs are lower in the Rocky Mountain states because less octane is needed at higher altitudes. Motorists whose cars require 91 octane fuel may find themselves at filling stations that offer only 89 and 93 octane, but nothing in between. In these cases, the options are to pay more for the 93 octane or to fill the tank halfway with 93 and the rest with 89. The resulting gasoline mixture, just like the average of their two AKI numbers, will equal 91 octane.
A gasoline’s octane rating quantifies its resistance to knocking and pinging. These two sounds are caused by abnormal combustion, which robs power and can damage an engine. Knocking and pinging are basically the same thing; knocking is louder and represents a more serious condition. When they occur, it is during acceleration, though higher engine speeds tend to drown them out. Knocking sounds like someone repeatedly rapping the engine with a hammer, and the quieter pinging resembles marbles being shaken inside a tin can.
Most gas stations offer a choice of three unleaded fuels, each with a different octane rating: 87, 89 or 93. Which one is right for your car? That depends on the type of engine you have.
Many conditions in the engine itself can cause or promote combustion anomalies, but when all other factors are equal, gasoline with a higher octane rating is more resistant to knocking and pinging than a lower-octane fuel. So why doesn’t everyone just use high-octane gasoline? Because it is more expensive, and there is no advantage whatsoever in using premium gasoline in a car that doesn’t specifically require it. At one time, only premium gasoline included additives that prevent fuel-injector clogging; now, all grades are basically the same in this regard.
If your car requires high-octane gasoline and you habitually use regular gas because the engine exhibits no sign of knock, you’re outsmarting yourself. Most modern, computer-controlled engines include a knock sensor that detects knock and retards the ignition timing, causing the spark plugs to fire slightly later in the cycle. This typically prevents abnormal combustion and knock, which allows vehicles specified for premium fuel to run on lower-grade gasoline if it is all that’s available. While this removes the immediate hazard, it’s a bad idea to make a habit of running a vehicle on gasoline of lower-than-recommended octane. Retarding the spark causes a richer fuel/air mixture, which decreases fuel economy, increases emissions, causes the engine to run hotter, and reduces the longevity of both the engine itself and the catalytic converter. The money you save by pumping low-grade fuel into a car that demands higher octane is lost anyway, in decreased fuel economy and possibly gradual damage.
Your vehicle’s owner’s manual usually recommends an octane rating in terms of an Antiknock Index (AKI), which also is posted on gasoline pumps. The AKI is the average of two ratings determined in a laboratory: the Research Octane Number (RON), which corresponds with low-speed, mild-knocking conditions, and the Motor Octane Number (MON), which covers high-speed, high-temperature knocking conditions and part-throttle operation
(http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.p...s&pagenumber=2)
Demystifying Octane Ratings
In general, three grades of gasoline are available in the United States: regular (AKI = 87), midgrade (AKI = 89) and premium (AKI = 91 to 94). The posted gasoline AKIs are lower in the Rocky Mountain states because less octane is needed at higher altitudes. Motorists whose cars require 91 octane fuel may find themselves at filling stations that offer only 89 and 93 octane, but nothing in between. In these cases, the options are to pay more for the 93 octane or to fill the tank halfway with 93 and the rest with 89. The resulting gasoline mixture, just like the average of their two AKI numbers, will equal 91 octane.
A gasoline’s octane rating quantifies its resistance to knocking and pinging. These two sounds are caused by abnormal combustion, which robs power and can damage an engine. Knocking and pinging are basically the same thing; knocking is louder and represents a more serious condition. When they occur, it is during acceleration, though higher engine speeds tend to drown them out. Knocking sounds like someone repeatedly rapping the engine with a hammer, and the quieter pinging resembles marbles being shaken inside a tin can.
Most gas stations offer a choice of three unleaded fuels, each with a different octane rating: 87, 89 or 93. Which one is right for your car? That depends on the type of engine you have.
Many conditions in the engine itself can cause or promote combustion anomalies, but when all other factors are equal, gasoline with a higher octane rating is more resistant to knocking and pinging than a lower-octane fuel. So why doesn’t everyone just use high-octane gasoline? Because it is more expensive, and there is no advantage whatsoever in using premium gasoline in a car that doesn’t specifically require it. At one time, only premium gasoline included additives that prevent fuel-injector clogging; now, all grades are basically the same in this regard.
If your car requires high-octane gasoline and you habitually use regular gas because the engine exhibits no sign of knock, you’re outsmarting yourself. Most modern, computer-controlled engines include a knock sensor that detects knock and retards the ignition timing, causing the spark plugs to fire slightly later in the cycle. This typically prevents abnormal combustion and knock, which allows vehicles specified for premium fuel to run on lower-grade gasoline if it is all that’s available. While this removes the immediate hazard, it’s a bad idea to make a habit of running a vehicle on gasoline of lower-than-recommended octane. Retarding the spark causes a richer fuel/air mixture, which decreases fuel economy, increases emissions, causes the engine to run hotter, and reduces the longevity of both the engine itself and the catalytic converter. The money you save by pumping low-grade fuel into a car that demands higher octane is lost anyway, in decreased fuel economy and possibly gradual damage.
Your vehicle’s owner’s manual usually recommends an octane rating in terms of an Antiknock Index (AKI), which also is posted on gasoline pumps. The AKI is the average of two ratings determined in a laboratory: the Research Octane Number (RON), which corresponds with low-speed, mild-knocking conditions, and the Motor Octane Number (MON), which covers high-speed, high-temperature knocking conditions and part-throttle operation
03-26-2005, 06:36 AM
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My feelings are if you have to worry about the gas prices/octane level requirements for your CLs...you should have bought a cheaper car.
03-26-2005, 01:45 PM
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I know this is off topic and all but I was at a gas station and I see this guy pouring some sort of Chevron bottle into his gas tank. What is it? I think the bottle read fuel injection cleaner. Is that a good thing to do to our cars? 
03-27-2005, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by racersky
I know this is off topic and all but I was at a gas station and I see this guy pouring some sort of Chevron bottle into his gas tank. What is it? I think the bottle read fuel injection cleaner. Is that a good thing to do to our cars?
04-04-2005, 11:28 PM
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today premium $1.10 per liter canadian in vancouver b.c....going down to point roberts washington to fill up...it's only a 25 mins drive away...this is crazy!!!!
04-05-2005, 06:52 AM
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All this talk about GAS, premium and price, is 
. You have a choice to sell the CL and buy something you can afford. There is only one direction that gas prices are going, and it isn't down. My '01 CL-S gets between 21 - 23 mpg in my daily commute in the Atlanta, Georgia area. I considerer myself lucky, because I have friends in SUV's that are lucky to get 12 mpg. I guess my CL-S is an economy car compared to the SUV's. My .
. You have a choice to sell the CL and buy something you can afford. There is only one direction that gas prices are going, and it isn't down. My '01 CL-S gets between 21 - 23 mpg in my daily commute in the Atlanta, Georgia area. I considerer myself lucky, because I have friends in SUV's that are lucky to get 12 mpg. I guess my CL-S is an economy car compared to the SUV's. My .
04-05-2005, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CL-Spell
All this talk about GAS, premium and price, is . You have a choice to sell the CL and buy something you can afford.
. You have a choice to sell the CL and buy something you can afford.
Sometimes I think people here are living paycheck to paycheck.
04-05-2005, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
Sometimes I think people here are living paycheck to paycheck. 
you got that right!
I think the answer to all this GAS talk is called public transportation.
04-05-2005, 11:15 AM
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I don't live anywhere close to paycheck to paycheck, but paying close to 3.00 a gallon is alittle ridiculous. Especially when less than four years ago I was paid 1.11 for premium. Thats a 255% increase.
And who was bitching? You guys are so fucking sensitive.
And who was bitching? You guys are so fucking sensitive.
04-05-2005, 04:05 PM
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Well I just had to pay $2.38 per gallon for 93 Octane.
I wish we could get 94 Octane like some stations in the MidWest...being in Texas and the largest producer of oil...we get squat and pay a crapola of taxes on top of that.
Yes, I complain about the prices seeing as I remember the days of filling up for less than $20 for the tank...now I have to crank out $35-37 per tank. I think it's a legit complaint. I mean, have we really seen an increase in the cost of producing the gasolines? Yes, we have seen new detergents added and big brother is making oil companies comply with more regs but c'mon...it doesn't justify THAT much of an increase...
Too bad that no matter how much we b*&%$ about it, nothing is going to change what it's going to do...so we gotta suck it up and keep on swiping those cards at the pump!
I wish we could get 94 Octane like some stations in the MidWest...being in Texas and the largest producer of oil...we get squat and pay a crapola of taxes on top of that.
Yes, I complain about the prices seeing as I remember the days of filling up for less than $20 for the tank...now I have to crank out $35-37 per tank. I think it's a legit complaint. I mean, have we really seen an increase in the cost of producing the gasolines? Yes, we have seen new detergents added and big brother is making oil companies comply with more regs but c'mon...it doesn't justify THAT much of an increase...
Too bad that no matter how much we b*&%$ about it, nothing is going to change what it's going to do...so we gotta suck it up and keep on swiping those cards at the pump!
04-05-2005, 07:11 PM
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From a consumer group representative:
When you buy independent gasoline it is usually Shell gas. Arco frequently sells Chevron gas and vice-versa. However that is for the raw blendstock known as CARBOB. CARBOB gas is 84 Octane before it is boosted with a 6% blend of ethanol and various turpentines that are formulated by season. After that, the refineries add their own special ingredients, usually cleansers such as Chevron's "Techroline." Cynics say this stuff is just pixie dust designed to create a chemical flag to stop dealers from buying gray market gasolines. In other words, you really don't know what you are getting unless you pour it into the tank yourself.
I have a hobby vehicle with a somewhat rare ultra-high compression engine with a 11:1 ratio.
I buy the cheapest gasoline I can. If the pump runs slowly I go to another station because it suggests that the filters are clogged with gunk - and there is a lot of gunk in fuel tanks. Any additives I use are poured in after the fact. That way I know my girl is getting the good stuff because I put it in myself.
When you buy independent gasoline it is usually Shell gas. Arco frequently sells Chevron gas and vice-versa. However that is for the raw blendstock known as CARBOB. CARBOB gas is 84 Octane before it is boosted with a 6% blend of ethanol and various turpentines that are formulated by season. After that, the refineries add their own special ingredients, usually cleansers such as Chevron's "Techroline." Cynics say this stuff is just pixie dust designed to create a chemical flag to stop dealers from buying gray market gasolines. In other words, you really don't know what you are getting unless you pour it into the tank yourself.
I have a hobby vehicle with a somewhat rare ultra-high compression engine with a 11:1 ratio.
I buy the cheapest gasoline I can. If the pump runs slowly I go to another station because it suggests that the filters are clogged with gunk - and there is a lot of gunk in fuel tanks. Any additives I use are poured in after the fact. That way I know my girl is getting the good stuff because I put it in myself.
04-05-2005, 10:15 PM
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Well there you have it... gas has breached the $3/gal. mark! This was taken on the way back from the Bay Area on 4/3/05 somewhere off I5...
04-05-2005, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Shawn S
Sometimes I think people here are living paycheck to paycheck.
Just because you have a $30k car doesnt mean you could afford to be out of work for 6 months.
And yeah its getting pretty pricey, but what are ya gonna do?
04-06-2005, 06:17 PM
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Local Shell here in Escondido was $2.77 for premimum, 91 octane on 4/6/05.
Watch for a new product to hit the market soon called Centron. Studies show a minimum mileage increase of 10% on newer cars to 30% on some older cars. The diesel truck additive shows average increases from 18% to 34% with significant improvement in harmful emmissions. Diesel product has been tested for over 200 million miles and is the companies key product for the immediate future.
Watch for a new product to hit the market soon called Centron. Studies show a minimum mileage increase of 10% on newer cars to 30% on some older cars. The diesel truck additive shows average increases from 18% to 34% with significant improvement in harmful emmissions. Diesel product has been tested for over 200 million miles and is the companies key product for the immediate future.
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