Comptech Icebox Installation Complete
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Originally posted by lou
Wow I knew this mod. would be the best for this car just cause it keeps it a sleeper . All the power without the all the noise
Very nice writeup thanks I can't wait till I get mine it is in transit. 
Wow I knew this mod. would be the best for this car just cause it keeps it a sleeper . All the power without the all the noise
Very nice writeup thanks I can't wait till I get mine it is in transit.
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Originally posted by Beelzebub
Question. Does the Icebox for the 6 speed have a bypass valve? Does it need one?
Question. Does the Icebox for the 6 speed have a bypass valve? Does it need one?
02-20-2003, 04:04 PM
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nope no bypass valve needed since the filter still is housed within the engine compartment and not in the bumper.
nope no bypass valve needed since the filter still is housed within the engine compartment and not in the bumper.
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Ok guys, i did the dyno this afternoon,
Unfortunetly there were some issues that i totally forgot about that the guy i was talking to at SP-engineering brought up.
I don't have a scanner so i'll post my dyno charts tomorrow when i get them scanned.
But i will give you guys a breif summary as to what happened and what Ivan at sp-engineering mentioned to me.
Well my dyno before the install was (completely stock)
219.1hp, 203.8 ft-lbs torque
my dyno after the install was (icebox intake)
220.7hp, 203.1 ft-lbs torque
when he showed me i was like "what the phuck!" i spent 300 bucks on an intake that gave me no gain!
Actually what he told me happens is when the car is on dyno, it's hard to get good results sometimes especially when measuring intakes because what's happening is since the car isn't moving the amount of air that is normally being forced into the pipe isn't there. And even if they have a fan on it, which they did, it's not the same amount of air that would be forced in the pipe compared to driving let's say 60 or 70 mph.
That he said makes a big difference in the dyno. And when you see my dyno charts, you'll see what i mean. the graph of the run with the icebox is very speratic, and not smooth, it's very rough and jumpy as if something's not operating correctly. This was at the lower rpm end, this is the rpm range that i gained my peak hp with the stock intake.
Now, i'm not saying this to justify why my dyno proved to be the same as stock. But i guess i'll have to time my 1/4 mile runs and see how i do to really get a feel for the intake's true power.
But i can assure you, the comptech intake does do a good and very noticeable job in performance. So please dont let that deter you. Hopefully someone else that get's their car dyno'd with it may prove that it does do well.
Like i said, i will post the dyno charts tomorrow when i get them scanned.
Unfortunetly there were some issues that i totally forgot about that the guy i was talking to at SP-engineering brought up.
I don't have a scanner so i'll post my dyno charts tomorrow when i get them scanned.
But i will give you guys a breif summary as to what happened and what Ivan at sp-engineering mentioned to me.
Well my dyno before the install was (completely stock)
219.1hp, 203.8 ft-lbs torque
my dyno after the install was (icebox intake)
220.7hp, 203.1 ft-lbs torque
when he showed me i was like "what the phuck!" i spent 300 bucks on an intake that gave me no gain!
Actually what he told me happens is when the car is on dyno, it's hard to get good results sometimes especially when measuring intakes because what's happening is since the car isn't moving the amount of air that is normally being forced into the pipe isn't there. And even if they have a fan on it, which they did, it's not the same amount of air that would be forced in the pipe compared to driving let's say 60 or 70 mph.
That he said makes a big difference in the dyno. And when you see my dyno charts, you'll see what i mean. the graph of the run with the icebox is very speratic, and not smooth, it's very rough and jumpy as if something's not operating correctly. This was at the lower rpm end, this is the rpm range that i gained my peak hp with the stock intake.
Now, i'm not saying this to justify why my dyno proved to be the same as stock. But i guess i'll have to time my 1/4 mile runs and see how i do to really get a feel for the intake's true power.
But i can assure you, the comptech intake does do a good and very noticeable job in performance. So please dont let that deter you. Hopefully someone else that get's their car dyno'd with it may prove that it does do well.
Like i said, i will post the dyno charts tomorrow when i get them scanned.
02-21-2003, 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by nate'sCLS
I'm somewhat disappointed
Never heard of the part about air movement being essential. Damn.
I suppose that makes sense though.
I'm somewhat disappointed
Never heard of the part about air movement being essential. Damn.I suppose that makes sense though.
when i've seen dyno's in the past, i've seen them use this huge fans on the car, and they put them in front of the car with the hood up, i always thought they did that to keep the car running cool, which may very well be the case, but today i learned it's also to get some air going into the intake just like it would be in real life.
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Originally posted by sidemarker
if youn feel like pioneering some more, go experiment with the aem cai and get a dyno i think that will be more interesting comparison.
sidemarker
if youn feel like pioneering some more, go experiment with the aem cai and get a dyno i think that will be more interesting comparison.
sidemarker
however i just bought my Zeal function-b6 coilover kit so u know where my money went, maybe after that i will consider it.
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Originally posted by slyraskal
That thought did cross my mind, i would like to try some different setups.
however i just bought my Zeal function-b6 coilover kit so u know where my money went, maybe after that i will consider it.
That thought did cross my mind, i would like to try some different setups.
however i just bought my Zeal function-b6 coilover kit so u know where my money went, maybe after that i will consider it.
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02-21-2003, 05:10 AM
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lol, that made me laugh.
actually it's not that big when you see it in person. and when you do, it can be a little intimidating, but not for my car since it's not even lowered yet, but give me a week and i'll have my zeal kit in so beware! hehe
lol, that made me laugh.
actually it's not that big when you see it in person. and when you do, it can be a little intimidating, but not for my car since it's not even lowered yet, but give me a week and i'll have my zeal kit in so beware! hehe
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02-21-2003, 06:59 AM
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Where is my super sauce?
Uh oh. Your results are not encouraging. No power gain; no VTEC sound gain. Hmmm.
You should tell the Comptech dudes.
Maybe they'll dyno you themselves to prove that their product does add something.
You should tell the Comptech dudes.
Maybe they'll dyno you themselves to prove that their product does add something.
02-21-2003, 07:45 AM
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I think that guy messed up the Dyno. Even with the fan blowing you should see results. Maybe it wasn't setup right. I really can't believe a company like Comptech would make a product that didn't give any gains. Look at the ice box's for other cars. They do work, & have gains. Not saying if it's more or less the an AEM, but you should not see no gain. Call Comptech. Ask them how they dyno. Did you reset the ECU after installing? How many miles on your car? I'd drive it for a week or so, & then re-dyno. Maybe at a different place.
02-21-2003, 08:03 AM
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Re: Re: Comptech Icebox Installation Complete
Originally posted by Shawn S
Looks great and Im looking forward to the DYNO numbers.
The Comptech should prove to be more powerful, but you mentioned the main reason I dont plan on replacing my Xephyr intake with one.
The 10 or so Horsepower that a CAI provides is nice, but I think its the BANSHEE SCREAM it makes when the VTEC kicks in that I love the most.
Im not positive, but I think the Xephyr is actually a bit LOUDER then the AEM too.
I also think the IceBox looks a little too much like stock.
I wish they had made it look a bit different then the stock airbox.
Shawn S
Looks great and Im looking forward to the DYNO numbers.
The Comptech should prove to be more powerful, but you mentioned the main reason I dont plan on replacing my Xephyr intake with one.
The 10 or so Horsepower that a CAI provides is nice, but I think its the BANSHEE SCREAM it makes when the VTEC kicks in that I love the most.
Im not positive, but I think the Xephyr is actually a bit LOUDER then the AEM too.
I also think the IceBox looks a little too much like stock.
I wish they had made it look a bit different then the stock airbox.
Shawn S
02-21-2003, 08:05 AM
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Didn't Scalbert have a similarly home-made Ice Box that also failed to give any gains?
I find it hard to believe that the dyno was done wrong. I would guess that the environment (temp, etc) was similar as it was the same place within a few days.
I thought the ECU reset takes place within seconds or minutes (according to data that Scalbert has gathered).
I think your only option is to talk to Comptech and get a re-dyno, hopefully with their $$.
I find it hard to believe that the dyno was done wrong. I would guess that the environment (temp, etc) was similar as it was the same place within a few days.
I thought the ECU reset takes place within seconds or minutes (according to data that Scalbert has gathered).
I think your only option is to talk to Comptech and get a re-dyno, hopefully with their $$.
02-21-2003, 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by slyraskal
Ok guys, i did the dyno this afternoon,
Unfortunetly there were some issues that i totally forgot about that the guy i was talking to at SP-engineering brought up.
I don't have a scanner so i'll post my dyno charts tomorrow when i get them scanned.
But i will give you guys a breif summary as to what happened and what Ivan at sp-engineering mentioned to me.
Well my dyno before the install was (completely stock)
219.1hp, 203.8 ft-lbs torque
my dyno after the install was (icebox intake)
220.7hp, 203.1 ft-lbs torque
when he showed me i was like "what the phuck!" i spent 300 bucks on an intake that gave me no gain!
Actually what he told me happens is when the car is on dyno, it's hard to get good results sometimes especially when measuring intakes because what's happening is since the car isn't moving the amount of air that is normally being forced into the pipe isn't there. And even if they have a fan on it, which they did, it's not the same amount of air that would be forced in the pipe compared to driving let's say 60 or 70 mph.
That he said makes a big difference in the dyno. And when you see my dyno charts, you'll see what i mean. the graph of the run with the icebox is very speratic, and not smooth, it's very rough and jumpy as if something's not operating correctly. This was at the lower rpm end, this is the rpm range that i gained my peak hp with the stock intake.
Now, i'm not saying this to justify why my dyno proved to be the same as stock. But i guess i'll have to time my 1/4 mile runs and see how i do to really get a feel for the intake's true power.
But i can assure you, the comptech intake does do a good and very noticeable job in performance. So please dont let that deter you. Hopefully someone else that get's their car dyno'd with it may prove that it does do well.
Like i said, i will post the dyno charts tomorrow when i get them scanned.
Ok guys, i did the dyno this afternoon,
Unfortunetly there were some issues that i totally forgot about that the guy i was talking to at SP-engineering brought up.
I don't have a scanner so i'll post my dyno charts tomorrow when i get them scanned.
But i will give you guys a breif summary as to what happened and what Ivan at sp-engineering mentioned to me.
Well my dyno before the install was (completely stock)
219.1hp, 203.8 ft-lbs torque
my dyno after the install was (icebox intake)
220.7hp, 203.1 ft-lbs torque
when he showed me i was like "what the phuck!" i spent 300 bucks on an intake that gave me no gain!
Actually what he told me happens is when the car is on dyno, it's hard to get good results sometimes especially when measuring intakes because what's happening is since the car isn't moving the amount of air that is normally being forced into the pipe isn't there. And even if they have a fan on it, which they did, it's not the same amount of air that would be forced in the pipe compared to driving let's say 60 or 70 mph.
That he said makes a big difference in the dyno. And when you see my dyno charts, you'll see what i mean. the graph of the run with the icebox is very speratic, and not smooth, it's very rough and jumpy as if something's not operating correctly. This was at the lower rpm end, this is the rpm range that i gained my peak hp with the stock intake.
Now, i'm not saying this to justify why my dyno proved to be the same as stock. But i guess i'll have to time my 1/4 mile runs and see how i do to really get a feel for the intake's true power.
But i can assure you, the comptech intake does do a good and very noticeable job in performance. So please dont let that deter you. Hopefully someone else that get's their car dyno'd with it may prove that it does do well.
Like i said, i will post the dyno charts tomorrow when i get them scanned.
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Originally posted by Slimey
Didn't Scalbert have a similarly home-made Ice Box that also failed to give any gains?
I find it hard to believe that the dyno was done wrong. I would guess that the environment (temp, etc) was similar as it was the same place within a few days.
I thought the ECU reset takes place within seconds or minutes (according to data that Scalbert has gathered).
I think your only option is to talk to Comptech and get a re-dyno, hopefully with their $$.
Didn't Scalbert have a similarly home-made Ice Box that also failed to give any gains?
I find it hard to believe that the dyno was done wrong. I would guess that the environment (temp, etc) was similar as it was the same place within a few days.
I thought the ECU reset takes place within seconds or minutes (according to data that Scalbert has gathered).
I think your only option is to talk to Comptech and get a re-dyno, hopefully with their $$.
02-21-2003, 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by sidemarker
if youn feel like pioneering some more, go experiment with the aem cai and get a dyno i think that will be more interesting comparison.
sidemarker
if youn feel like pioneering some more, go experiment with the aem cai and get a dyno i think that will be more interesting comparison.
sidemarker
While air flow is a problem, it doesn't seem to prevent the AEM CAI from showing gains on the dyno. Hopefully others results will differ. I guess the Icebox' performance may be affected more by the air flow issue than the AEM because of its design.
02-21-2003, 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by slyraskal
nope no bypass valve needed since the filter still is housed within the engine compartment and not in the bumper.
nope no bypass valve needed since the filter still is housed within the engine compartment and not in the bumper.
http://solar.innercite.com/comptech/330142cl.html
That sure does look like a bypass valve on top.
Some correct me if I'm wrong, The purpose of the bypass valve is to save your engine should you submerge the end of the intake in water. It doesn't really matter where the filter is. The only reason the Icebox wouldn't need an intake valve is if the end of the intake is so high that the chance of submerging it is nil. And if it was that high it probably wouldn't be all that useful, imho.
02-21-2003, 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by ChodTheWacko
Uh, what? Note:
http://solar.innercite.com/comptech/330142cl.html
That sure does look like a bypass valve on top.
Some correct me if I'm wrong, The purpose of the bypass valve is to save your engine should you submerge the end of the intake in water. It doesn't really matter where the filter is. The only reason the Icebox wouldn't need an intake valve is if the end of the intake is so high that the chance of submerging it is nil. And if it was that high it probably wouldn't be all that useful, imho.
Uh, what? Note:
http://solar.innercite.com/comptech/330142cl.html
That sure does look like a bypass valve on top.
Some correct me if I'm wrong, The purpose of the bypass valve is to save your engine should you submerge the end of the intake in water. It doesn't really matter where the filter is. The only reason the Icebox wouldn't need an intake valve is if the end of the intake is so high that the chance of submerging it is nil. And if it was that high it probably wouldn't be all that useful, imho.
where?
edit: I think you are looking at the flex joints.
02-21-2003, 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by Bluto
where?
edit: I think you are looking at the flex joints.
where?
edit: I think you are looking at the flex joints.
I found this nice link tho:
http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Good description of differences between the different intakes.
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Originally posted by cls6sp03
If you're going through this much trouble to see the revs, the redline should be rotated to the vertical position ... top dead center. That's how it's done on cars in true race trim ... SCCA, WCR, F1, NASCAR, etc...
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If you're going through this much trouble to see the revs, the redline should be rotated to the vertical position ... top dead center. That's how it's done on cars in true race trim ... SCCA, WCR, F1, NASCAR, etc...
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Originally posted by fuzzy02CLS
I'm not canceling my order from 1 dyno, & 1 persons results. I'm getting a dyno next week stock, & then after the Ice box, & then after the headers go on. Stay tuned I'll post my results also.
I'm not canceling my order from 1 dyno, & 1 persons results. I'm getting a dyno next week stock, & then after the Ice box, & then after the headers go on. Stay tuned I'll post my results also.
cancel your order and get the aem/injen cai
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Originally posted by fuzzy02CLS
I think that guy messed up the Dyno. Even with the fan blowing you should see results. Maybe it wasn't setup right. I really can't believe a company like Comptech would make a product that didn't give any gains. Look at the ice box's for other cars. They do work, & have gains. Not saying if it's more or less the an AEM, but you should not see no gain. Call Comptech. Ask them how they dyno. Did you reset the ECU after installing? How many miles on your car? I'd drive it for a week or so, & then re-dyno. Maybe at a different place.
I think that guy messed up the Dyno. Even with the fan blowing you should see results. Maybe it wasn't setup right. I really can't believe a company like Comptech would make a product that didn't give any gains. Look at the ice box's for other cars. They do work, & have gains. Not saying if it's more or less the an AEM, but you should not see no gain. Call Comptech. Ask them how they dyno. Did you reset the ECU after installing? How many miles on your car? I'd drive it for a week or so, & then re-dyno. Maybe at a different place.
driving it for a week or so i don't think would make a difference because like i said, i can feel the difference in power the intake has provided, i just dont' know why it didn't show on their dyno.
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Ok, I just got off the phone with Comptech, and while i was on the phone, i realized something!
I was only looking at my peak power performance,
NOT PEAK PERFORMANCE GAIN!!!
Hold on to your pants cuz ur about to shit bricks!
I gained about 16 ft-lbs of torque at 3500 rpm
and i gained about 16 hp at 4500 rpm!!!!
i haven't had a chance to analyze the entire graph, but i'll do that soon, and you'll be able to see them for yourselves pretty soon too!!!
WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!
I was only looking at my peak power performance,
NOT PEAK PERFORMANCE GAIN!!!
Hold on to your pants cuz ur about to shit bricks!
I gained about 16 ft-lbs of torque at 3500 rpm
and i gained about 16 hp at 4500 rpm!!!!
i haven't had a chance to analyze the entire graph, but i'll do that soon, and you'll be able to see them for yourselves pretty soon too!!!
WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!
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I had the AEM on the Auto I had. Yes I did get gains, but I got alot of noise. I hated it. That hiss, the vtec noise.... Some might like it. I didn't. Personal taste I guess.
You unplug the battery/pull the fuse for while. That should reset it. Also if you drive for a week, & didn't reset it, the compuiter will learn. Just takes longer.
I had the AEM on the Auto I had. Yes I did get gains, but I got alot of noise. I hated it. That hiss, the vtec noise.... Some might like it. I didn't. Personal taste I guess.
You unplug the battery/pull the fuse for while. That should reset it. Also if you drive for a week, & didn't reset it, the compuiter will learn. Just takes longer.
02-21-2003, 12:56 PM
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You unplug the battery/pull the fuse for while. That should reset it. Also if you drive for a week, & didn't reset it, the compuiter will learn. Just takes longer.
You unplug the battery/pull the fuse for while. That should reset it. Also if you drive for a week, & didn't reset it, the compuiter will learn. Just takes longer.