CLS-6 vs 07' 335i
12-26-2010, 04:20 PM
#121
Well since most of the repairs are under warranty on a 3 year old car how can you say it cost more? And also how can you say that over a 8 year span it cost more then a tranny repair when the car is at best 4yrs old?
Did you do any research on the cost of repairs? Or are you just guessing again?
Did you do any research on the cost of repairs? Or are you just guessing again?
Last edited by Jacobpockros; 12-26-2010 at 04:23 PM.
12-26-2010, 04:23 PM
#123
Burning Brakes
Its common sense that Acura>BMW
12-26-2010, 04:33 PM
#124
Three Wheelin'
I said cost of repairs, your trying to tell me that if it's under a 3-year warrenty that there is no value or cost? It doesn't matter if you pay, or if the BMW dealer pays. Someone ends up paying to fix it. Also, what happens when it expires? lol, a car shouldn't just have to be kept till the warrenty expires, that's just obsurd. Also, Just by looking at the amount of money it costs to maintain them in 4 years can tell you that it will very well surpass tranny replacements.
Simon i agree also that Acura is better then BMW in reliability. Just not so much in a performance or inovative R&D area.
12-26-2010, 04:35 PM
#125
It does matter if you are paying out of pocket or not when you have a family and a mortgage payment. Maybe not such a big deal to some kid living at home and does not have a real care in the world except how cool his 8 yr old CLS is.
Simon i agree also that Acura is better then BMW in reliability. Just not so much in a performance or inovative R&D area.
Simon i agree also that Acura is better then BMW in reliability. Just not so much in a performance or inovative R&D area.
12-26-2010, 07:09 PM
#128
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Yea, BMWs reliability sucks compared to Honda/Acura.
With all the exploding rear view mirrors, trannies that can downshift into 2nd while on the highway causing an accident, airbags that are overcharged and can blow metal fragments into occupants faces, engine mounts that constantly fail, 3rd gear synchro problems across multiple platforms and engine series, etc.
Oh wait, thats Honda.
You guys realize the fuel pump recall effected approximately 130k cars over 4 model years, right?
Hondas transmission issues spanned 5 model years over 6 models. Thats the transmission recall only. The airbag recall was 3 model years and 7 models.
But yea, death to BMW!! How dare they install an inferior fuel pump that supplies fuel to a motor Honda wished they could build!!!
With all the exploding rear view mirrors, trannies that can downshift into 2nd while on the highway causing an accident, airbags that are overcharged and can blow metal fragments into occupants faces, engine mounts that constantly fail, 3rd gear synchro problems across multiple platforms and engine series, etc.
Oh wait, thats Honda.
You guys realize the fuel pump recall effected approximately 130k cars over 4 model years, right?
Hondas transmission issues spanned 5 model years over 6 models. Thats the transmission recall only. The airbag recall was 3 model years and 7 models.
But yea, death to BMW!! How dare they install an inferior fuel pump that supplies fuel to a motor Honda wished they could build!!!
12-26-2010, 07:13 PM
#129
Yea, BMWs reliability sucks compared to Honda/Acura.
With all the exploding rear view mirrors, trannies that can downshift into 2nd while on the highway causing an accident, airbags that are overcharged and can blow metal fragments into occupants faces, engine mounts that constantly fail, 3rd gear synchro problems across multiple platforms and engine series, etc.
Oh wait, thats Honda.
You guys realize the fuel pump recall effected approximately 130k cars over 4 model years, right?
Hondas transmission issues spanned 5 model years over 6 models. Thats the transmission recall only. The airbag recall was 3 model years and 7 models.
But yea, death to BMW!! How dare they install an inferior fuel pump that supplies fuel to a motor Honda wished they could build!!!
With all the exploding rear view mirrors, trannies that can downshift into 2nd while on the highway causing an accident, airbags that are overcharged and can blow metal fragments into occupants faces, engine mounts that constantly fail, 3rd gear synchro problems across multiple platforms and engine series, etc.
Oh wait, thats Honda.
You guys realize the fuel pump recall effected approximately 130k cars over 4 model years, right?
Hondas transmission issues spanned 5 model years over 6 models. Thats the transmission recall only. The airbag recall was 3 model years and 7 models.
But yea, death to BMW!! How dare they install an inferior fuel pump that supplies fuel to a motor Honda wished they could build!!!
and as far as shifting into 2nd on an auto, i know on a 02 caviler, you can put the lever into 2nd, and it will shift into said gear, without hesitation, even if it will mechanically over rev the engine
(ie: on the highway)(basically say someone goes for D3 and gets 2 instead)
Last edited by friesm2000; 12-26-2010 at 07:17 PM.
12-26-2010, 07:17 PM
#130
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
I dont even consider the dumbestics. Thats just not a fair fight.
12-26-2010, 07:25 PM
#133
Burning Brakes
All i kno is ive had BMW's in the family and they always ended up being traded in for a nissan or honda. I kno a few people with 2008 3 series they say it was the worst decision of their lives lol.
12-26-2010, 07:27 PM
#134
Yea, BMWs reliability sucks compared to Honda/Acura.
With all the exploding rear view mirrors, trannies that can downshift into 2nd while on the highway causing an accident, airbags that are overcharged and can blow metal fragments into occupants faces, engine mounts that constantly fail, 3rd gear synchro problems across multiple platforms and engine series, etc.
Oh wait, thats Honda.
You guys realize the fuel pump recall effected approximately 130k cars over 4 model years, right?
Hondas transmission issues spanned 5 model years over 6 models. Thats the transmission recall only. The airbag recall was 3 model years and 7 models.
But yea, death to BMW!! How dare they install an inferior fuel pump that supplies fuel to a motor Honda wished they could build!!!
With all the exploding rear view mirrors, trannies that can downshift into 2nd while on the highway causing an accident, airbags that are overcharged and can blow metal fragments into occupants faces, engine mounts that constantly fail, 3rd gear synchro problems across multiple platforms and engine series, etc.
Oh wait, thats Honda.
You guys realize the fuel pump recall effected approximately 130k cars over 4 model years, right?
Hondas transmission issues spanned 5 model years over 6 models. Thats the transmission recall only. The airbag recall was 3 model years and 7 models.
But yea, death to BMW!! How dare they install an inferior fuel pump that supplies fuel to a motor Honda wished they could build!!!
Yeah bro, that's why Acura CL's are under a lemon law
http://www.bmw335iproblems-californialemonlaw.com/
12-26-2010, 07:29 PM
#135
Burning Brakes
Yea, BMWs reliability sucks compared to Honda/Acura.
With all the exploding rear view mirrors, trannies that can downshift into 2nd while on the highway causing an accident, airbags that are overcharged and can blow metal fragments into occupants faces, engine mounts that constantly fail, 3rd gear synchro problems across multiple platforms and engine series, etc.
Oh wait, thats Honda.
You guys realize the fuel pump recall effected approximately 130k cars over 4 model years, right?
Hondas transmission issues spanned 5 model years over 6 models. Thats the transmission recall only. The airbag recall was 3 model years and 7 models.
But yea, death to BMW!! How dare they install an inferior fuel pump that supplies fuel to a motor Honda wished they could build!!!
With all the exploding rear view mirrors, trannies that can downshift into 2nd while on the highway causing an accident, airbags that are overcharged and can blow metal fragments into occupants faces, engine mounts that constantly fail, 3rd gear synchro problems across multiple platforms and engine series, etc.
Oh wait, thats Honda.
You guys realize the fuel pump recall effected approximately 130k cars over 4 model years, right?
Hondas transmission issues spanned 5 model years over 6 models. Thats the transmission recall only. The airbag recall was 3 model years and 7 models.
But yea, death to BMW!! How dare they install an inferior fuel pump that supplies fuel to a motor Honda wished they could build!!!
Last edited by SimonCL-S6; 12-26-2010 at 07:34 PM.
12-26-2010, 07:30 PM
#136
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Round up all the Bimmers with the N54 engine and see how many have a bad fuel pump. If Im being sensationalist about this, the same goes for you.
Honda didnt release numbers on the airbag recall or the transmission recall. We can see from the forums that the transmission problem was a widespread issue, and its not localized to just the CL. The rear view mirror issue was a TSB, as is the 3rd gear syncro problem. Honda refuses to open a recall on the syncro issues. They replace the gear sets in warranty, and if youre out of it, tough shit. Its the same way they are treating the automatic transmission issue.
PS - Out of the 130k cars BMW recalled, only about 40k actually needed the pump replaced.
http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsreleas...?&id=481&mid=1
Honda didnt release numbers on the airbag recall or the transmission recall. We can see from the forums that the transmission problem was a widespread issue, and its not localized to just the CL. The rear view mirror issue was a TSB, as is the 3rd gear syncro problem. Honda refuses to open a recall on the syncro issues. They replace the gear sets in warranty, and if youre out of it, tough shit. Its the same way they are treating the automatic transmission issue.
PS - Out of the 130k cars BMW recalled, only about 40k actually needed the pump replaced.
http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsreleas...?&id=481&mid=1
12-26-2010, 07:34 PM
#137
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Ya how dumb is bmw if there engines are so great then why cant they make a simple quality fuel pump? Honda builds better engines so i have no idea what you are talking about. BMW fuel pumps die while the car is on the highway thats terrible its like driving an electric chair.
There are BMWs in my family as well. The owners love them and wouldnt trade them for anything else.
Arguing with fanboys is ridiculous. Im done in here.
Last edited by civicdrivr; 12-26-2010 at 07:36 PM.
12-26-2010, 07:35 PM
#138
PS - Out of the 130k cars BMW recalled, only about 40k actually needed the pump replaced.
http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsreleas...?&id=481&mid=1
http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsreleas...?&id=481&mid=1
Yeah, let's go spend 50,000 on a BMW and have a 1 in 3 chance of getting a lemon!
12-26-2010, 07:35 PM
#139
Burning Brakes
This isn't an arguement its a discussion! =P
12-26-2010, 07:37 PM
#140
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Yeah bro, that's why Acura CL's are under a lemon law
http://www.bmw335iproblems-californialemonlaw.com/
http://www.bmw335iproblems-californialemonlaw.com/
I forgot to mention the timing belt tensioner recall on the CL as well. Ooops.
12-26-2010, 07:39 PM
#141
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
12-26-2010, 07:44 PM
#142
Appearently Civicdrivr is one of those BMW fanboys himself.
Bro, the point is, BMW's have problems soon after you drive them off the lot, CL's didn't. Give it time, and you will then understand what I'm talking about. BMW's have way more overall problems than our cars (especially since I was innicially talking about the 6-Speeds for us which you lack to remember), and are extremely expensive to fix.
Bro, the point is, BMW's have problems soon after you drive them off the lot, CL's didn't. Give it time, and you will then understand what I'm talking about. BMW's have way more overall problems than our cars (especially since I was innicially talking about the 6-Speeds for us which you lack to remember), and are extremely expensive to fix.
12-26-2010, 07:45 PM
#143
Ya how dumb is bmw if there engines are so great then why cant they make a simple quality fuel pump? Honda builds better engines so i have no idea what you are talking about. BMW fuel pumps die while the car is on the highway thats terrible its like driving an electric chair.
Yea, Honda uses technology from before you were born in their engines. They have no direct injection. They have no DOHC V6. The newest engine in their lineup is a 9 year old design. Id much rather have a fuel pump die where the car can safely coast to the side of the road then have the transmission lockup causing an accident.
There are BMWs in my family as well. The owners love them and wouldnt trade them for anything else.
Arguing with fanboys is ridiculous. Im done in here.
There are BMWs in my family as well. The owners love them and wouldnt trade them for anything else.
Arguing with fanboys is ridiculous. Im done in here.
(and you did not say a time constraint either 
)and BTW does BMW even HAVE a V6
12-26-2010, 07:52 PM
#146
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Appearently Civicdrivr is one of those BMW fanboys himself.
Bro, the point is, BMW's have problems soon after you drive them off the lot, CL's didn't. Give it time, and you will then understand what I'm talking about. BMW's have way more overall problems than our cars (especially since I was innicially talking about the 6-Speeds for us which you lack to remember), and are extremely expensive to fix.
Bro, the point is, BMW's have problems soon after you drive them off the lot, CL's didn't. Give it time, and you will then understand what I'm talking about. BMW's have way more overall problems than our cars (especially since I was innicially talking about the 6-Speeds for us which you lack to remember), and are extremely expensive to fix.
How can you compare such a broad range of vehicles with one that sold less then 4,000 (in case you dont comprehend, I mean that you say BMWs in general are less reliable then a 2003 CL-S 6 speed).
But dont worry, I used to be a Honda fan boy. You'll soon realize that they arent the end-all of the automotive world and yes, there are other car manufacturers that make good cars!
They do. It looks funny though. Has 4 cylinders on each side instead of 3
12-26-2010, 07:55 PM
#147
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
12-26-2010, 08:02 PM
#148
I wouldnt buy a BMW. Theyre nice, but expensive. For the price of the 135/335 I could get an Elise.
How can you compare such a broad range of vehicles with one that sold less then 4,000 (in case you dont comprehend, I mean that you say BMWs in general are less reliable then a 2003 CL-S 6 speed).
But dont worry, I used to be a Honda fan boy. You'll soon realize that they arent the end-all of the automotive world and yes, there are other car manufacturers that make good cars!
How can you compare such a broad range of vehicles with one that sold less then 4,000 (in case you dont comprehend, I mean that you say BMWs in general are less reliable then a 2003 CL-S 6 speed).
But dont worry, I used to be a Honda fan boy. You'll soon realize that they arent the end-all of the automotive world and yes, there are other car manufacturers that make good cars!
12-26-2010, 08:05 PM
#151
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Fair enough.
12-26-2010, 08:07 PM
#152
)it was a different failure then normal though; but i have seen a couple of people on here; that have had the same issue with puking itself though
12-26-2010, 08:12 PM
#155
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
I think you know what this is Jake
12-26-2010, 08:13 PM
#156
Whats up with RDX owners?
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12-26-2010, 08:27 PM
#158
Whats up with RDX owners?
iTrader: (9)
Yea, he mentioned in his intake thread that he wanted to find a 240. This one has an S38 (M88 variant) out of an M5. Its a 3.6l rated at 310/266.
Absolutely not. I like my hoods to close. Whatever it goes in, it will be RWD.
Absolutely not. I like my hoods to close. Whatever it goes in, it will be RWD.
12-26-2010, 09:03 PM
#160
Last edited by Jacobpockros; 12-26-2010 at 09:06 PM.