I said cost of repairs, your trying to tell me that if it's under a 3-year warrenty that there is no value or cost? It doesn't matter if you pay, or if the BMW dealer pays. Someone ends up paying to fix it. Also, what happens when it expires? lol, a car shouldn't just have to be kept till the warrenty expires, that's just obsurd. Also, Just by looking at the amount of money it costs to maintain them in 4 years can tell you that it will very well surpass tranny replacements.

 

lol

 

I just agree with him because he's right. Its common sense that Acura>BMW

 

It does matter if you are paying out of pocket or not when you have a family and a mortgage payment. Maybe not such a big deal to some kid living at home and does not have a real care in the world except how cool his 8 yr old CLS is.

Simon i agree also that Acura is better then BMW in reliability. Just not so much in a performance or inovative R&D area.

 

lol

 

I don't live at home lol. This thread has gone way off topic

 

 

Yea, BMWs reliability sucks compared to Honda/Acura.

With all the exploding rear view mirrors, trannies that can downshift into 2nd while on the highway causing an accident, airbags that are overcharged and can blow metal fragments into occupants faces, engine mounts that constantly fail, 3rd gear synchro problems across multiple platforms and engine series, etc.

Oh wait, thats Honda.

You guys realize the fuel pump recall effected approximately 130k cars over 4 model years, right?

Hondas transmission issues spanned 5 model years over 6 models. Thats the transmission recall only. The airbag recall was 3 model years and 7 models.

But yea, death to BMW!! How dare they install an inferior fuel pump that supplies fuel to a motor Honda wished they could build!!!

 

or you could go the domestic route, and have the recalls into the MILLONS

and as far as shifting into 2nd on an auto, i know on a 02 caviler, you can put the lever into 2nd, and it will shift into said gear, without hesitation, even if it will mechanically over rev the engine (ie: on the highway)(basically say someone goes for D3 and gets 2 instead)

 

I dont even consider the dumbestics. Thats just not a fair fight.

 

Civic, your like a news reporter, you try to make it sound like it's more of a problem than it really is. Find me CL's that have all of these problems at the same time

 

 

All i kno is ive had BMW's in the family and they always ended up being traded in for a nissan or honda. I kno a few people with 2008 3 series they say it was the worst decision of their lives lol.

 

Yeah bro, that's why Acura CL's are under a lemon law

http://www.bmw335iproblems-californialemonlaw.com/

 

Ya how dumb is bmw if there engines are so great then why cant they make a simple quality fuel pump? Honda builds better engines so i have no idea what you are talking about. BMW fuel pumps die while the car is on the highway thats terrible its like driving an electric chair.

 

Round up all the Bimmers with the N54 engine and see how many have a bad fuel pump. If Im being sensationalist about this, the same goes for you.

Honda didnt release numbers on the airbag recall or the transmission recall. We can see from the forums that the transmission problem was a widespread issue, and its not localized to just the CL. The rear view mirror issue was a TSB, as is the 3rd gear syncro problem. Honda refuses to open a recall on the syncro issues. They replace the gear sets in warranty, and if youre out of it, tough shit. Its the same way they are treating the automatic transmission issue.

PS - Out of the 130k cars BMW recalled, only about 40k actually needed the pump replaced.

http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsreleas...?&id=481&mid=1

 

Yea, Honda uses technology from before you were born in their engines. They have no direct injection. They have no DOHC V6. The newest engine in their lineup is a 9 year old design. Id much rather have a fuel pump die where the car can safely coast to the side of the road then have the transmission lockup causing an accident.

There are BMWs in my family as well. The owners love them and wouldnt trade them for anything else.

Arguing with fanboys is ridiculous. Im done in here.

 

lol that's one out of 3

Yeah, let's go spend 50,000 on a BMW and have a 1 in 3 chance of getting a lemon!

 

Well it obviously works why change it. BMW has to keep changing cuz they keep developing PROBLEMSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This isn't an arguement its a discussion! =P

 

http://www.americanlemonlawcenter.co...php?type=acura

I forgot to mention the timing belt tensioner recall on the CL as well. Ooops.

 

And yet 1 of 3 CLs dont have a transmission problem.

 

Appearently Civicdrivr is one of those BMW fanboys himself.

Bro, the point is, BMW's have problems soon after you drive them off the lot, CL's didn't. Give it time, and you will then understand what I'm talking about. BMW's have way more overall problems than our cars (especially since I was innicially talking about the 6-Speeds for us which you lack to remember), and are extremely expensive to fix.

 

pump is more then likely made by Bosch FYI

then what is the NSX (and you did not say a time constraint either )


and BTW does BMW even HAVE a V6

 

Civicdrivr

 

My TL tranny lasted 93k miles, then got milked for another 27k, for a total of 120K ; then was swapped as part of the 120K service

 

I wouldnt buy a BMW. Theyre nice, but expensive. For the price of the 135/335 I could get an Elise.

How can you compare such a broad range of vehicles with one that sold less then 4,000 (in case you dont comprehend, I mean that you say BMWs in general are less reliable then a 2003 CL-S 6 speed).

But dont worry, I used to be a Honda fan boy. You'll soon realize that they arent the end-all of the automotive world and yes, there are other car manufacturers that make good cars!

They do. It looks funny though. Has 4 cylinders on each side instead of 3

 

Please, explain. Not once did I say BMW had a V6.

But it failed, right?

 

It doesn't matter how weird of a comparison it was, it was the fact that it got stated.

 

Civic i dont understand why you have an acura if they are so terrible and have all these problems.

 

In smart-ass terms, you did not state it, but you did imply it....

 

Cool.

Because its worthless and Id lose money if I sell it.

Fair enough.

 

not completely; but i could not drive long distances without stopping midway, and letting the fluid cool down, because fifth gear was worn down to the backing plates (basically no friction material left); and would eventually overheat the fluid; then puke it all out out of the vent tube (did it at 93k; then also at roughly 116k; then i gather the parts for the 6speed swap; but even after that second puking it was shifting alright still )

it was a different failure then normal though; but i have seen a couple of people on here; that have had the same issue with puking itself though

 

sell me your motor then (and tranny for a spare)

 

If its worthless than why buy it. Doesnt make sense. I think you knew what you were doing and chose a quality vehicle over a BMW =].

 

I think you know what this is Jake

 

Sure.










No. Thats the only saving grace for this car. Once Im sick of the body Im pulling the motor and putting it in a 6th gen Accord. Or a kit car of sorts. Or something else

 

is that a Volvo motor is BMW though, and it's an I6 (inline)

J36 EF Civic

 

Yea, he mentioned in his intake thread that he wanted to find a 240. This one has an S38 (M88 variant) out of an M5. Its a 3.6l rated at 310/266.

Absolutely not. I like my hoods to close. Whatever it goes in, it will be RWD.

 

just mount it in the back then

 

A little something similar to this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xejKQOBGTjM