If you really want to go oldschool Hondas first car in the states was RWD. Where did they go wrong?

 

Yup. I'd like to see ANY BMW out handle an NSX on the track, even the 1991 NSX....

 

I bet a CSL could give the NSX a run for its money.

So do you admit the 335 > CL?

 

Performance wise, yes. Overall, no, especially considering the year differences.

 

 

The NSX-R NA2 got around the 'Ring in 7:56.773 seconds. The CSL (E46) got around in 7:50 (in 2003), the M3 GTS (E92) did it 7:48.

Oh, and to reaffirm the Vettes handling, the C6 Z06 (sold for the same price as the NSX) got around in 7:42.99 in 2005, the last year of the NSX.

The NA1 NSX-R went around in 8:03 January 2006 with the airbags and spare tire removed. In August 2002, another NSX-R with sport tires and suspension mods could only muster an 8:09 (which an M6 tied in 2005 with a 161mph limiter, a Z8 beat it in 2001 with an 8:07, and an E92 beat it in 2007 with an 8:05). In 97 (first year of the 3.2l and 6MT), the NSX managed an 8:38 - which a Focus, yes, a FORD FOCUS beat by three seconds.



I spy an NSX

 

The ring shouldn't count. There's a huge ass straight away where top speed really comes into play. Statistically, the NSX should be the better handling car, because it has a much wider chassis than the M3, and it is a mid-engine car.

 

Wow, I guess Civicd just crammed that mutha effer down your throat!

Again talking out your ass!

Classic Jacob style!

The ring is the standard! What track would you recomend?

 

Please don't make me bring up your CL vs TL video

 

So you are saying a NSX can't reach a higher top speed on that straight then a Ford Focus or a Cobalt SS?

 

oh my please no. please.... what will I ever do? Clown!

 

No, it can.

 

Then whats the problem with using the Ring? You said because the long straight. Please explain your reasoning.

 

I'm just talking about handling. Handling and straight-aways have nothing to do with each other. Let's try an auto-cross and see what happens.

 

Well what do you think the ring is?

You said the that top speed was a factor with the NSX and that was why it was unfair on the ring when compared to a Focus. But then you agree that the NSX can reach as high if not higer top speed then the Focus. So what about the ring makes it more parcial to the Focus vs the NSX? You are not making any sense at all.

should I have expected anything less from you? :thumbsdow

 

Isn't that what we're talking about? Performance?

And overall probably yes, too. Need I remind you the NSX was manufactured until 2005?

Nurburgring is the world standard for everybody because it tests EVERYTHING, and handling is pretty big. Pretty much every track ever built has a straightaway.

Autocross is so tight and technically that I could probably beat an NSX's time with a Geo Metro.




Okay, probably not, but you get the point.

 

There are very few "statistics" when it comes to handling prowess. Engine placement and chassis width doesn't automatically make a car better-handling. Do you think a Veyron is better-handling than a Miata?

FTR a wider body can do as much bad as it can good I wouldn't want a wide car through some slow corners.

 

No, he does not. Clearly!

 

No, you didn't take the time to read the thread. I was referring to the 335i vs CL-S.

 

Dude, again, I'm not talking about speed. I just answered one of your questions. I factored out the ring because it has a long straight away which has many factors that can cause one car or the other to win. I'm talking about a track with just turns, no straights.


Also, should I expect anything less from you after your TL vs CL "owned" comment in that other thread?

 

My bad, but you really think that a CL-S is better than a 335...

 

Not performance-wise, but build quality, fuck yes.

 

How stupid is this kid?

Any rational person, given the cars were priced relatively closely (32k for a CLS vs. mid/high 30s for a 335i) if produced in the same period would more then likely 9 outta 10 times pick the BMW. More power, more torque, RWD, much better handling. Barely handle better? Your using your stock CL as a measuring stick? Get outta here kid.

Your fanaticism is ridiculous but then again you're a proven idiot. You rag on a car you don't have and with those pep boy racer wheels, can't obviously afford.

The only thing that Hondas have is reliability over the BMW, but thats the price you pay to play. And if you want to level the playing fields, look how many people on these boards have blown their motors by upping the ante. And standard boltons are not considered adding considerable power as to produce similar numbers you need to stroke or boost the motor.

 

Pauly D, your guito is showing. It's funny because your the last person on here that I can take seriously

 

So the Nordschleife should be omitted because it has a 1.3 mile UP HILL straight out of 12.9 miles of track that just so happens to have 154 other turns? Damn.

Have you looked into the NSX at all? Are you aware of the problems the front end exhibits when under hard braking? The toe and caster changes causing the car to become unstable when entering a turn after hard braking.

If this were 1991, I wouldnt be saying this about the NSX. But its 2010. The NSX was designed in the 80s. It was an amazing car, but there were plenty of amazing cars after it.

 

^ Not many have blown their motors at all on this site, actually quite the opposite. Almost all the engines on here have taken serious modifications in stride.

But I agree that the only thing Honda has over BMW really is reliability and cost. IMO build quality is a toss-up, I think the BMW's interiors are nicer new, but Honda/Acuras hold up nicer, at least in looks. My Accord has more rattles than you can shake a stick at, but it looks brand-new.

 

if a car has a 10 mph faster top speed, it would rape the other car's laptime. Again, I'm talking about pure cornering abilities

 

Em, not really.

 

Um no, there are several supercharged motors whom have blown piston rings, and cracked blocks. Once again, I'm not talking your standard run of the mill pulleys, headers, intakes. I'm talking adding real power. From on of the more well known shops around here in New Jersey where Jae operates, hes had to do several tear downs on boosted motors.

 

Who are you owning kid? You've never even seen a pic of me and concluding I must have some blowout? While everyone saw you are some ginger haired faggot wearing his sisters jeans weighing in at 98 pounds soaking wet.

 

Soaking wet? Your fucken weird bro and you make no sense. Also, I weigh 135, and probably get more ass than you did when you were my age. Bringing up queer, you pretty much take that prize

http://www.youtube.com/user/merherher#p/u/8/Wypn5nB441w

 

Ok. Then explain why a car such as the M6 that weighs 4,420lbs with a 161mph limiter can tie an NSX-R that weights 2,809lbs stock and has suspension mods and can also hit 174mph?

The M6 should be mince-meat for the NSX-R, no?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times

 

lol just drop it guys, the kids 19. half his posts are retarded. his only real performance mods consist of an intake. an axle back will do nothing on stock piping.
give him a few years and he'll wisen up and realize his car isnt the shit.

 

Lol, I haven't weighed 135 pounds since maybe the 8th grade. And by ass you mean getting double penetrated by two men while listening to the Jonas Brothers?

Wow, Congrats on my YouTube channel. What was that supposed to accomplish?

 

My wheels were $800. No RonJons but there no way in hell cheap. Can't afford? I'm 19 and your 28 and we had the same car? Again, you prove yourself to be an ignorant dumbass

 

lol!!!!!!!

 

The video was just referencing you sounding like a complete piece of New Jersey trash, nothing really

 

Find me a 335 that can last 300,000 miles without anything besides a routine tuneup. That's my point. Build quality that doesn't last.

 

WHAT?

really? Please explain what you mean by many factors a straight away has to do with one car winning over another. Besides speed in the straight what other factors are there?

Please tell me why the long straight favors the Focus and not the faster and sleeker NSX?

RIGHT HERE JACOB ANSWER THIS ONE, AND TRY TO DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU ANSWER IT! Please explain your rational about the long straight at the Ring being a negative for the NSX. Which is what you claimed!

Several peaple here have shown you FACTS. And you refuse to listen, and continue to post assumptions that are wrong and unfounded.

Oh and about the CLS/TLS video. Yes I WAS WRONG! Big effing deal at least i can admit it. Besides the video was very poor quality and I MISSREAD the times. That's an honest mistake. You on the other hand just talk out your ass with out even knowing any facts. Speculation and assumptions. If it makes you feel better to keep bringing up ONE post where I made a mistake then by all means go ahead

Have you not noticed you get called out on more BS then anyone else in the second gen cl forum?

 

I saw the drag race video just fine

No one here has posted facts, including myself. It's not a fact unless it's sourced.

OKAY, a few bimmers are faster than an NSX. I AM WRONG. I really am over this stupid discussion. CH46ESeaKnight=1, Jacobpockros=1.

Were all being immature as fuck, and arguing like school children. At the end of the day, no ones gains anything from a pointless arguement.