CLS-6 Vs 02-03 3.5 Max 6 speed
 

How do these two cars compare performance wise. Which one is faster over all. I got a buddy wit the 02 3.6 speed with bolt ons, he says his best 1/4 time is 13.6 and I saw him go 13.8 today. I havent seen anyone in my area with a fully modded bolt on 6 speed CL at the track so I was wondering how the both cars compare stock and modded. I have read the articles on each but im intrested in know what they have been known to do, not what a company supposedly tested.

If he's running 13.8 don't waste your gas. From what I understand is with a couple of bolt ons and a Y-Pipe that gen Maxima is pretty quick

this is not about wanting to race him, im well aware that he will dust my car in stock form. This is basically about if i decided to drop some bolt ons in my car what car would have the advantage minus the driver. Oh he gutted out the back of his car also, and doesnt have leather like us so I dont know how much of a difference that makes. I was just think that if they say both cars run 14.6 stock and CLs come with leather standard and the maximas come with the fabric stuff stock, i would think the CL would be heavier?? and if it would still run even wit the max regardless of the weight then it would be the car wit the better performance advantage.

You won't get into 13's without FI . The VQ35 motor has gobbles of low end torque while our J32 sucks on the low end

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I did it without headers, whatchu talken bout foo?

:werd: you were the first person that came to mind when I read that.

I'm sure a properly driven 6speed could get mid-to-low 13's with full bolt ons.

allmotor_2000 (the guy who had the first turbo) got 13.572 @ 102.65 NA with I'm not sure what bolt on's.

i was about about to say that cant be true. I have seen 6 speeds go 14.2 off just AEM cold air. I would think intake and a comptech header and some GOOD tires would easily break 13s.

yes no 13'sN/A and no torque on the J series

but you run mid 13s and you have bolt ons

I believe the local guy with the red cl w/ carbon fiber hood/trunk ran a high 13 prior to putting nitrous on his car and like a 14.1 with just the cold air intake.

I've run 14.2 to 14.3 with my 2001 auto many times, with the unichip, comptech headers, catback, icebox and pullies, so I would think the 6 speed with the same mods less the chip could break 14's consistently if driven well.

yea thats makes a lot more sense, cause I cant see how a car with just intake can 14.1 but then add header and other bolt ons and cant break 13s. The guy with the maxima was also running 14.1 when he first got the car and put a intake on it. Also in addition to gutting the whole back of his car out the maxima also runs 16 inch leight weights with drag radials which makes me really wanna know what he would do with full interior and regular 17s.

the poster i quoted said you cant get 13's N/A and the J series has no torque...i was agreeing with him.

p.s. i like to think of 13.30 as low 13's just sounds better :thumbsup:

oh yeah, my bad ...I meant to say low 13s :thumbsup:

Listen, why can't the sleek sexy good looks of the CL be the tiebreaker

OH Lord :jesus: maximas are ugly... :ugly:

lol, good one

He claims 13.6 with bolt ons? I'd like to know what he has, also is he on street tires?

My friend had a 6spd 02 that ran 13.8 with UDP, y-pipe, cat, exhaust, intake, udp and it was one of the faster 5.5 gens out there.. i dont think they are quite capable of 13.6 yet. i also thought people were putting down 13.8s with just headers on 6 speed CL-Ss?

A CL will not get under 14 for a NORMAL driver. Any time you see with just a few mods that have broken 14 are GOOD drivers with track experience. If you don't have much of that your can forget about it. A 6MT is a bitch to launch right as well.
I'm not saying the car will not do 14 & under with just bolt on's, it will, but it takes a driver to get it there. Other cars are a hell more forgiving on a track. The CL is not one of those.

gutted non leather maxima? dumbest thing ive ever heard. not to mention its made with an extra ugly chromosome.. speed isnt everything.. and im pretty sure a full bolted 6speed type s would tie if not beat it

yea, no back seat not even carpet in the trunk, 16 inch leight weight wheels with drag radials. He says he ran 13.6 with this same set up at a better track last year but he ran 13.8 at the current track. I know he has intake, headers and a full greddy cat back. Dont know what else he might have that I dont see.

See at that point you can't compare. If 1 car is setup for track like that it's not a fair comparsion.
Have him run that thing with interior & stock size rims. I'd bet he couldn't break 14.

I still think he'll take ya. I'm haven't driven the 6-speed CL. But I just don't believe that it's really capable of doing mid 13's without FI, unless you are an acceptional driver, have every bolt on, gutted the car and every possible enviromental condition is perfect for racing.

and again i say...full interior,including baby seat and an auto

:thumbsup:

I use to own a 2002 Nissan Maxima Auto, although a buddy of mine has a 02 6 speed maxima and let me tell you that thing hauls ass, its got power everywhere, some local guys at the track i know ran 13.7's with E/H/I/light weight wheels... The CL is just as fast as the 3.5 6 speed but it just dosent feel like it due to the lack of torque which iam starting not too like.

intresting

dont mistake the linear nature of the Cl's torque curve for lack thereof

I know for a fact the Max will easily beat our CL-S's in raw speed. But we will def take them down in handling. My buddy has an 05 Max and ive driven it. It handles like a boat/limo. There both nice cars though imo. :2cents:

My 05 Murano can take down my 02 Maxima when it comes to handling. :damn:

My CL-S handles like a Minivan with blown struts, IMO an SE maxima which i had handles 100x better..

well i dont know what type of CL your driving.... mine handles actually quite well for a luxury coupe. I can compare and conrast the 2 bc i driven them both. IMO of course.

I drive an 02 Max 6MT with headers, full exhaust, Cai, emanage blue and a few other goodies (my gf has a cl-s that is why I'm on here) and with similar setups most maxes are in the mid to low 13's with good tires. There is a guy with I think Drag Radials and emanage ultimate, headers and exhaust running 12.8 on the max forums. Stock for stock my max easily beat my gf's cl (also 6MT). I think the true test would be on a dyno, drivers can easily be .5 sec diff in the 1/4 mile. The modded 3.5L max with headers, exhaust, cai and safc tunes usually have 240whp 235ish wtq SAE corrected on a dynojet dyno. So that would be the best comparison. One bad thing about the 3.5L maxes is that we have drive by wire and for some stupid-ass reason the throttly body begins to close around 700rpm before redline so we have to get an expensive aftermarket ecu to correct that. We hit a bottleneck hard for instance now I can chirp 3rd with my stock clutch w/ 50k on it when i shift just before 6k but when I shift at 6.5k it doesn't with equally fast shifts. I'm starting to ramble just an fyi.

that max is nice but keep in mind, they do also have a bigger motor...not that counts for a whole lot but its there. Take for example one of our members where who has a 3.5 swap on his cl with bolt ons whom runs constant 13.4s with those bolt ons and its an auto. He is also dynoing in the 240whp range. Personally I think its a drivers race between the two cars but if lets say the j32a2 was a j32a2 with a j35 bottom ...I think the advantage would go to the cl-s 6 speed.

it doesnt matter anymore, we will get to it by christmass

CLS vs Maxima
 

Eventhough the Maxima maybe alittle faster, I would still buy the CLS cause the maxima is ugly.

im wit you on that one brotha

is this JP wit the blue maxima your talking about?

stop taking my lines!!! :thumbsup:

The guy that was running 13.8 wit the maxima is now running 13.4. I dont know what he got done now, but i know he is N/A. There is now another guy running 13.8. Neither of them are running on street tires. I believe they are on 16 inch leight weights wit drag tires.