CL TypeS 300+ HP With Mods?
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CL TypeS 300+ HP With Mods?
If you added headers, exhausts and high performance air filtration to your "S," wouldn't that make the engine put out over 300 HP? How much HP would supercharging add?
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Re: CL TypeS 300+ HP With Mods?
Originally posted by Ken Schwartz
If you added headers, exhausts and high performance air filtration to your "S," wouldn't that make the engine put out over 300 HP? How much HP would supercharging add?
If you added headers, exhausts and high performance air filtration to your "S," wouldn't that make the engine put out over 300 HP? How much HP would supercharging add?
08-15-2002, 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by Ken Schwartz
If you added headers, exhausts and high performance air filtration to your "S," wouldn't that make the engine put out over 300 HP? How much HP would supercharging add?
If you added headers, exhausts and high performance air filtration to your "S," wouldn't that make the engine put out over 300 HP? How much HP would supercharging add?
The problem with that is that gains from modifications are not cummulative. If you add headers and an intake, assuming the above numbers, you WON'T necessarily get 35-37hp... you may only see 33 or so. Mods don't always work together so you can't add them together. People with all of the mods you listed, plus things like pulleys, etc, have done dynos and still aren't over 300hp. The only sure way to get over 300hp is to add the supercharger when it comes out. With all of the mods you listed you'd probably be in the 290hp area... and that's peak HP as the headers only get you around 15-17hp in the mid-range (below 4800RPM), so you would really be only averaging in the 280's below 4800rpms.....
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Re: CL TypeS 300+ HP With Mods?
Originally posted by Ken Schwartz
If you added headers, exhausts and high performance air filtration to your "S," wouldn't that make the engine put out over 300 HP? How much HP would supercharging add?
If you added headers, exhausts and high performance air filtration to your "S," wouldn't that make the engine put out over 300 HP? How much HP would supercharging add?
im thinking more like a solid 270-275 at the crank and maybe like 230 at the wheelsbut i dont think i will really know until i go back to the track to see how much all these mods improved my times...
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Re: Horse Power
Originally posted by Ken Schwartz
Ok guys, so when Acura say the "S" has 260 horses, what are they basing that on?
Ok guys, so when Acura say the "S" has 260 horses, what are they basing that on?
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The criteria for determining the horsepower should be somewhat standardized. If someone is talking about horsepower regarding their car, do you need to ask where the horsepower is coming from. IE: "My car has 260 horses." Ok, is that from the crank, the wheels, the transmission, the back wheels, the front wheels...or what? This is confusing. I can see where this could lead to problems with advertising as well.
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Re: Re: CL TypeS 300+ HP With Mods?
Originally posted by sidemarker
i have just recently installed i/h/e and i dont think its close to 300 hp im thinking more like a solid 270-275 at the crank and maybe like 230 at the wheels
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i have just recently installed i/h/e and i dont think its close to 300 hp
im thinking more like a solid 270-275 at the crank and maybe like 230 at the wheelssidemarker
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Originally posted by Ken Schwartz
The criteria for determining the horsepower should be somewhat standardized. If someone is talking about horsepower regarding their car, do you need to ask where the horsepower is coming from. IE: "My car has 260 horses." Ok, is that from the crank, the wheels, the transmission, the back wheels, the front wheels...or what? This is confusing. I can see where this could lead to problems with advertising as well.
The criteria for determining the horsepower should be somewhat standardized. If someone is talking about horsepower regarding their car, do you need to ask where the horsepower is coming from. IE: "My car has 260 horses." Ok, is that from the crank, the wheels, the transmission, the back wheels, the front wheels...or what? This is confusing. I can see where this could lead to problems with advertising as well.
Also, typically on Japanese cars Autos will lose between 20-25%, while manuals will lose between 15-20% of the hp.
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Hmmmmm, that helps somewhat. If CompTech advertises that their headers will give you 32 more horses.....is that from the crank or wheels?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk
So if you are running 240 WHP with 5-Speed Auto I figure a max HP at the crank of 307.69 HP assuming 23% drive train loss. [/QUO
"I see," said the blind man.
So if you are running 240 WHP with 5-Speed Auto I figure a max HP at the crank of 307.69 HP assuming 23% drive train loss. [/QUO
"I see," said the blind man.
08-15-2002, 01:36 PM
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Hmmmmm, that helps somewhat. If CompTech advertises that their headers will give you 32 more horses.....is that from the crank or wheels?
Hmmmmm, that helps somewhat. If CompTech advertises that their headers will give you 32 more horses.....is that from the crank or wheels?
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300 Horsepower
Originally posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk
I guess the 32 if for thr crank, as the best dyno showed 24 HP gain.
I guess the 32 if for thr crank, as the best dyno showed 24 HP gain.
08-15-2002, 01:55 PM
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Re: 300 Horsepower
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So, it is possible that a CL-S with the mods stated in the opening thread could have 300 or so horsepower "at the crank?" Am I "beating a dead horse?"
So, it is possible that a CL-S with the mods stated in the opening thread could have 300 or so horsepower "at the crank?" Am I "beating a dead horse?"
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Originally posted by Ken Schwartz
Hmmmmm, that helps somewhat. If CompTech advertises that their headers will give you 32 more horses.....is that from the crank or wheels?
Hmmmmm, that helps somewhat. If CompTech advertises that their headers will give you 32 more horses.....is that from the crank or wheels?
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Originally posted by juniorbean
True.. but that's their dyno... the most I've seen a member gain is 28whp. I'd say the average is 24-28hp at the wheels.....
True.. but that's their dyno... the most I've seen a member gain is 28whp. I'd say the average is 24-28hp at the wheels.....
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300 hp at the wheels
to make 300 hp at the wheels you first have to look at the hp at the wheels stock if i rember right its some where between 215 and 225 to the wheels. the comptch headers add 32 hp to the wheels($1200) aem cold air intake will add about 10 to 15 to the wheels due to the dual intake plentum ($ 190-365- i paid 190 for mine) the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels.($890 cat back) high flow cat will prob add another 5 aem cam gears and pulllys will add about another 10 if tuned right . jet ecu chip 20% hp gain and throtle response. currently comptech is working on a superchager if dealer installed will be covered by factory warrenty. so wilth all of those mods you should exceed 300 hp to the wheels you would prob run a quartermile around 12.5 . I ran a 14.9 bone stock with a reaction time consistantley at .63 /sec
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Re: 300 hp at the wheels
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to make 300 hp at the wheels you first have to look at the hp at the wheels stock if i rember right its some where between 215 and 225 to the wheels. the comptch headers add 32 hp to the wheels($1200) aem cold air intake will add about 10 to 15 to the wheels due to the dual intake plentum ($ 190-365- i paid 190 for mine) the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels.($890 cat back) high flow cat will prob add another 5 aem cam gears and pulllys will add about another 10 if tuned right . jet ecu chip 20% hp gain and throtle response. currently comptech is working on a superchager if dealer installed will be covered by factory warrenty. so wilth all of those mods you should exceed 300 hp to the wheels you would prob run a quartermile around 12.5 . I ran a 14.9 bone stock with a reaction time consistantley at .63 /sec
to make 300 hp at the wheels you first have to look at the hp at the wheels stock if i rember right its some where between 215 and 225 to the wheels. the comptch headers add 32 hp to the wheels($1200) aem cold air intake will add about 10 to 15 to the wheels due to the dual intake plentum ($ 190-365- i paid 190 for mine) the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels.($890 cat back) high flow cat will prob add another 5 aem cam gears and pulllys will add about another 10 if tuned right . jet ecu chip 20% hp gain and throtle response. currently comptech is working on a superchager if dealer installed will be covered by factory warrenty. so wilth all of those mods you should exceed 300 hp to the wheels you would prob run a quartermile around 12.5 . I ran a 14.9 bone stock with a reaction time consistantley at .63 /sec
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Re: 300 hp at the wheels
Originally posted by Ekze oner
to make 300 hp at the wheels you first have to look at the hp at the wheels stock if i rember right its some where between 215 and 225 to the wheels. the comptch headers add 32 hp to the wheels($1200) aem cold air intake will add about 10 to 15 to the wheels due to the dual intake plentum ($ 190-365- i paid 190 for mine) the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels.($890 cat back) high flow cat will prob add another 5 aem cam gears and pulllys will add about another 10 if tuned right . jet ecu chip 20% hp gain and throtle response. currently comptech is working on a superchager if dealer installed will be covered by factory warrenty. so wilth all of those mods you should exceed 300 hp to the wheels you would prob run a quartermile around 12.5 . I ran a 14.9 bone stock with a reaction time consistantley at .63 /sec
to make 300 hp at the wheels you first have to look at the hp at the wheels stock if i rember right its some where between 215 and 225 to the wheels. the comptch headers add 32 hp to the wheels($1200) aem cold air intake will add about 10 to 15 to the wheels due to the dual intake plentum ($ 190-365- i paid 190 for mine) the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels.($890 cat back) high flow cat will prob add another 5 aem cam gears and pulllys will add about another 10 if tuned right . jet ecu chip 20% hp gain and throtle response. currently comptech is working on a superchager if dealer installed will be covered by factory warrenty. so wilth all of those mods you should exceed 300 hp to the wheels you would prob run a quartermile around 12.5 . I ran a 14.9 bone stock with a reaction time consistantley at .63 /sec
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Originally posted by mistacanyon
The 32 HP was recorded at the wheels. Check out the dyno on the comptech website.
The 32 HP was recorded at the wheels. Check out the dyno on the comptech website.
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Originally posted by SG.AsEsinO.552
I good supercharger would ass 50% hp to the crank
I good supercharger would ass 50% hp to the crank
08-15-2002, 02:27 PM
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Re: 300 hp at the wheels
Originally posted by Ekze oner
to make 300 hp at the wheels you first have to look at the hp at the wheels stock if i rember right its some where between 215 and 225 to the wheels. the comptch headers add 32 hp to the wheels($1200) aem cold air intake will add about 10 to 15 to the wheels due to the dual intake plentum ($ 190-365- i paid 190 for mine) the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels.($890 cat back) high flow cat will prob add another 5 aem cam gears and pulllys will add about another 10 if tuned right . jet ecu chip 20% hp gain and throtle response. currently comptech is working on a superchager if dealer installed will be covered by factory warrenty. so wilth all of those mods you should exceed 300 hp to the wheels you would prob run a quartermile around 12.5 . I ran a 14.9 bone stock with a reaction time consistantley at .63 /sec
to make 300 hp at the wheels you first have to look at the hp at the wheels stock if i rember right its some where between 215 and 225 to the wheels. the comptch headers add 32 hp to the wheels($1200) aem cold air intake will add about 10 to 15 to the wheels due to the dual intake plentum ($ 190-365- i paid 190 for mine) the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels.($890 cat back) high flow cat will prob add another 5 aem cam gears and pulllys will add about another 10 if tuned right . jet ecu chip 20% hp gain and throtle response. currently comptech is working on a superchager if dealer installed will be covered by factory warrenty. so wilth all of those mods you should exceed 300 hp to the wheels you would prob run a quartermile around 12.5 . I ran a 14.9 bone stock with a reaction time consistantley at .63 /sec
Cl's do not come with 215-225 whp (maybe the 6speed), more like 195-205 at best.
Jet Chips do not give you 20%, nor do they give you a 1% gain. They might even give you a -% gain. They are full of shit.
08-15-2002, 02:57 PM
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Re: 300 hp at the wheels
Originally posted by Ekze oner
to make 300 hp at the wheels you first have to look at the hp at the wheels stock if i rember right its some where between 215 and 225 to the wheels. the comptch headers add 32 hp to the wheels($1200) aem cold air intake will add about 10 to 15 to the wheels due to the dual intake plentum ($ 190-365- i paid 190 for mine) the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels.($890 cat back) high flow cat will prob add another 5 aem cam gears and pulllys will add about another 10 if tuned right . jet ecu chip 20% hp gain and throtle response. currently comptech is working on a superchager if dealer installed will be covered by factory warrenty. so wilth all of those mods you should exceed 300 hp to the wheels you would prob run a quartermile around 12.5 . I ran a 14.9 bone stock with a reaction time consistantley at .63 /sec
to make 300 hp at the wheels you first have to look at the hp at the wheels stock if i rember right its some where between 215 and 225 to the wheels. the comptch headers add 32 hp to the wheels($1200) aem cold air intake will add about 10 to 15 to the wheels due to the dual intake plentum ($ 190-365- i paid 190 for mine) the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels.($890 cat back) high flow cat will prob add another 5 aem cam gears and pulllys will add about another 10 if tuned right . jet ecu chip 20% hp gain and throtle response. currently comptech is working on a superchager if dealer installed will be covered by factory warrenty. so wilth all of those mods you should exceed 300 hp to the wheels you would prob run a quartermile around 12.5 . I ran a 14.9 bone stock with a reaction time consistantley at .63 /sec
08-15-2002, 03:00 PM
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Re: Re: 300 Horsepower
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It's possible.. but only slightly.. go back and read my first reply. Even with all of the mods you mentioned you probably won't be at 300hp at the crank. You can't add the mod increases together... they just don't work that way. When AEM says their intake gives 8-10 HP... that's over stock. If you have Comptech headers already installed, the AEM may only give you 3 HP extra.....
It's possible.. but only slightly.. go back and read my first reply. Even with all of the mods you mentioned you probably won't be at 300hp at the crank. You can't add the mod increases together... they just don't work that way. When AEM says their intake gives 8-10 HP... that's over stock. If you have Comptech headers already installed, the AEM may only give you 3 HP extra.....
08-15-2002, 04:48 PM
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You know Juniorbean, the more I think of it, the more I disagree with you. While I think the horsepower may not be cumlative in headers and exhaust, I think it could be in CAI and headers. Think about it. The CAI sucks in the air and headers let it out. Actually, the free flow exhausts should give you a little more HP as well, but not as much without the headers.
08-15-2002, 05:21 PM
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Re: Re: CL TypeS 300+ HP With Mods?
Originally posted by juniorbean
Well, for this example, let's assume Headers will get you about 30hp peak, intake about 5-7hp, and exhaust 1-3hp. That's 300hp total at the highest number if you add them together.
The problem with that is that gains from modifications are not cummulative. If you add headers and an intake, assuming the above numbers, you WON'T necessarily get 35-37hp... you may only see 33 or so. Mods don't always work together so you can't add them together. People with all of the mods you listed, plus things like pulleys, etc, have done dynos and still aren't over 300hp. The only sure way to get over 300hp is to add the supercharger when it comes out. With all of the mods you listed you'd probably be in the 290hp area... and that's peak HP as the headers only get you around 15-17hp in the mid-range (below 4800RPM), so you would really be only averaging in the 280's below 4800rpms.....
Well, for this example, let's assume Headers will get you about 30hp peak, intake about 5-7hp, and exhaust 1-3hp. That's 300hp total at the highest number if you add them together.
The problem with that is that gains from modifications are not cummulative. If you add headers and an intake, assuming the above numbers, you WON'T necessarily get 35-37hp... you may only see 33 or so. Mods don't always work together so you can't add them together. People with all of the mods you listed, plus things like pulleys, etc, have done dynos and still aren't over 300hp. The only sure way to get over 300hp is to add the supercharger when it comes out. With all of the mods you listed you'd probably be in the 290hp area... and that's peak HP as the headers only get you around 15-17hp in the mid-range (below 4800RPM), so you would really be only averaging in the 280's below 4800rpms.....
I couldn't have said it better.
08-15-2002, 05:51 PM
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yes but using that same logic you can easily have the opposite happen an intake may give you 8-10 over stock
or headers may give you 24 peak over stock
but together you could...COULD get 40 because it is possible for the two to compliment each other helping each make more than they could seperatly....now what????
next how many on the same day ...have dyno'd there car stock three times..then added headers same day and dyno'd three more pulls...average the befores and afters and only then would i believe we did or didnt on that car on that day on that dyno achieve the 24 hp the comp headers claim they add.
my headers have proven them selves on the street and on the track,my car was about .5 seconds faster in the 1/8th than a couple stock cl/tl-S' at the same track
or headers may give you 24 peak over stock
but together you could...COULD get 40 because it is possible for the two to compliment each other helping each make more than they could seperatly....now what????
next how many on the same day ...have dyno'd there car stock three times..then added headers same day and dyno'd three more pulls...average the befores and afters and only then would i believe we did or didnt on that car on that day on that dyno achieve the 24 hp the comp headers claim they add.
my headers have proven them selves on the street and on the track,my car was about .5 seconds faster in the 1/8th than a couple stock cl/tl-S' at the same track
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and one more thing the sc may come setup for a certain amount of boost...that doesnt mean you cant easily change that...as easy as nashau nighthawk could add his own alt pulley from UR 
you can change the one on the comp SC and up the boost...i think our car can take 8-10 p.s.i. about 100hp...it'll probablly come setup to make 4-6
you can change the one on the comp SC and up the boost...i think our car can take 8-10 p.s.i. about 100hp...it'll probablly come setup to make 4-6
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Originally posted by typeR
and one more thing the sc may come setup for a certain amount of boost...that doesnt mean you cant easily change that...as easy as nashau nighthawk could add his own alt pulley from UR you can change the one on the comp SC and up the boost...i think our car can take 8-10 p.s.i. about 100hp...it'll probablly come setup to make 4-6
and one more thing the sc may come setup for a certain amount of boost...that doesnt mean you cant easily change that...as easy as nashau nighthawk could add his own alt pulley from UR
you can change the one on the comp SC and up the boost...i think our car can take 8-10 p.s.i. about 100hp...it'll probablly come setup to make 4-6
08-15-2002, 06:17 PM
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so our car's auto tranny can handle an extra 100 hp from S/C and extra hp from headers and ice box?
so our car's auto tranny can handle an extra 100 hp from S/C and extra hp from headers and ice box?
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Originally posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk
I guess the 32 if for thr crank, as the best dyno showed 24 HP gain.
I guess the 32 if for thr crank, as the best dyno showed 24 HP gain.
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Re: 300 hp at the wheels
Originally posted by Ekze oner
... the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels...
... the greddy evo exuast has an impressive gain of 10.4 to the wheels...
Really u sure is 10.4 "to the wheel". U sure is not the crank. U are then talking 14-15 hp to the engine. Sry hard 4 me to believe because we already come with a sport tuned exhaust. Better question to ask...what is sacrificed? Is it torque?
By the way what do u know the model # of the exhaust system. Its called the "GReddy EVO Evolution Dual Exhaust System", right?
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Re: Re: 300 hp at the wheels
Originally posted by Juker008
WOA the EVO exhaust system produces "THAT MUCH" really???Wow sry that is the first time reading this (haven't been OL for a while). Do u know if they are loud, as in "ricey", or is it more of a throaty sound, deep, kinda like a Mustang with Flowmasters? I've been thinking of getting an exhaust system but don't feel like spending $800-1.2K for only 4 extra horses.
Really u sure is 10.4 "to the wheel". U sure is not the crank. U are then talking 14-15 hp to the engine. Sry hard 4 me to believe because we already come with a sport tuned exhaust. Better question to ask...what is sacrificed? Is it torque?
By the way what do u know the model # of the exhaust system. Its called the "GReddy EVO Evolution Dual Exhaust System", right?
Tnx
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WOA the EVO exhaust system produces "THAT MUCH" really???Wow sry that is the first time reading this (haven't been OL for a while). Do u know if they are loud, as in "ricey", or is it more of a throaty sound, deep, kinda like a Mustang with Flowmasters? I've been thinking of getting an exhaust system but don't feel like spending $800-1.2K for only 4 extra horses.
Really u sure is 10.4 "to the wheel". U sure is not the crank. U are then talking 14-15 hp to the engine. Sry hard 4 me to believe because we already come with a sport tuned exhaust. Better question to ask...what is sacrificed? Is it torque?
By the way what do u know the model # of the exhaust system. Its called the "GReddy EVO Evolution Dual Exhaust System", right?
Tnx
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