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Old 02-08-2004, 10:36 PM
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CL-S 6 vs. 96 Z28 6 speed (VIDEO)

My friend and I decided to go for a few runs with his newly purchased Z28 Camaro 6 speed. This run was from a 50 m.p.h. roll to about 100 or a little more. He managed to pull on me but I think I did alright considering what I was racing. He has more of an advantage from low speed rolls due to his torque but this was a pretty good run. We will try to hit the track soon to see what it will do.

CL-S 6 vs. Z28 6 speed LT1
Old 02-08-2004, 10:39 PM
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nice. not bad at all.
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is he modded??

that killer 3rd gear got ya

if he wa stock i woulda thought u would win..

how the hell are u guys chirping from a 50 roll??
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Originally posted by darrinb
is he modded??

that killer 3rd gear got ya

if he wa stock i woulda thought u would win..

how the hell are u guys chirping from a 50 roll??
He is stock for now. I started off in 2nd gear from around 50 m.p.h. The chirp was probably coming from him because I don't chirp going into third that often.
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Nice run. Like Darrin said those LS1 have a sick pull in 3rd gear.
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Originally posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
Nice run. Like Darrin said those LS1 have a sick pull in 3rd gear.
It's actually an LT1.
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Very nice run. It looked like you were gonna take him until 3rd gear hit and it was

Slap some pulleys on and see if you can narrow the gap.
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damn, i really thougt a modded 6 speed would take a lt1 from a roll
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reduce your weight lighter forged wheels pullys flywheel and a good tune on a dyno. All of this should make a big difference.
Currently your giving away too much weight to win.
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Originally posted by J.T.'s 3.2TL
It's actually an LT1.
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chap,

did u get ur pullies on yet
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A stock LT1 still makes more whp & tons more wtq than a modded CL-S6, and they dont weigh much more.

Good race though
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Originally posted by jtkz13
A stock LT1 still makes more whp & tons more wtq than a modded CL-S6, and they dont weigh much more.

Good race though
true, but the cl-s just got stomed in 3rd gear, i didnt expect the lt1 to pull like that
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Originally posted by darrinb
true, but the cl-s just got stomed in 3rd gear, i didnt expect the lt1 to pull like that
Stomped? Second gear was over in a matter of a few seconds.......We were pretty even in third untill he pulled a little in 4th....The moment he hit his brakes I let out of it. A win is a win but that wan't stomped. I've been stomped before.lol. What did you expect? His car should be well into the 13's. Were going to try it from a higher speed and see what happens.
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Originally posted by mattg
nice. not bad at all.
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stock LTs barely get into the 13's...285 i think if i remember correctly is the crank number for the Z but as mentioned much more torque 300+ i generally go by LT s up top the way he went by our guy...also i thin the cl had a passenger and not so sure if he held 3rd all the way (only guessing) put the passenger in the Z28 and make sure you hold 3rd till just before fuel cut and ill bet you can hold him off
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Originally posted by typeR
stock LTs barely get into the 13's...285 i think if i remember correctly is the crank number for the Z but as mentioned much more torque 300+ i generally go by LT s up top the way he went by our guy...also i thin the cl had a passenger and not so sure if he held 3rd all the way (only guessing) put the passenger in the Z28 and make sure you hold 3rd till just before fuel cut and ill bet you can hold him off
Thanks TypeR. I wasn't sure on the HP or TQ ratings on the LT1 Z28. I'm not sure if he shifted into 4th but I did toward the end of the race. We were pretty even in 2nd and 3rd but with the low revs in 4th not a chance.
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when u make the 3-4 redline shidt where do the rpms fall in 4th, over 5k or not??
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the lt1s aren't slouches. I posted elsewhere me and my brothers personal experiences. manual or auto with cold air and cat back all cars run very consistent 13.7-13.9s at 101-103 mph. essentially stock cars, and all just a bit quicker than the 6 spd, even with some mods, but right on for mph (can't launch that fwd to 2.0-2.2 60s regularly). However, the difference is not like that with the ls1. the lt1 really is a drivers race, but good driver in each, the LT1 is probably the victor coming off the line but a real toss up from a roll...but a little bit of a miss shift, or catching an auto in the wrong gear from a roll will get you out nicely.

the one thing i can't stand about my auto cls is that it's really only strong through 3rd gear. 110, the GTs and LT1s i've toyed around with never have that lull that our cars have and at that point, if I haven't won i'm going to pulled pretty hard, say taking it to 120, at least you don't have to deal with that.

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Originally posted by jtkz13
A stock LT1 still makes more whp & tons more wtq than a modded CL-S6, and they dont weigh much more.
Define modded...
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Originally posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
Nice run. Like Darrin said those LS1 have a sick pull in 3rd gear.
So do i
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Red Rider - what's your car run with the blower and all?

there's a part of me that says keep the cls forever and buy the blower. not sure though. is drivability down much or at all?

the 269 is with blower, before the B right?

Joe
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Originally posted by roo97ss
the 269 is with blower, before the B right?
IMO, 290 - 300 WHP with the blower on the 5AT is possible now. For me to have hit 323 WHP in my 6-Speed without anything significantly different should warrant within 90% for the 5AT.

It may just be in the little things to get it just right.
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Originally posted by typeR
put the passenger in the Z28 and make sure you hold 3rd till just before fuel cut and ill bet you can hold him off
looks like there was a passenger in the camaro as well.
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Originally posted by mattg
looks like there was a passenger in the camaro as well.
Good eye there. Now all you blown guys quit whoring my thread! j/k.
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Originally posted by roo97ss
Red Rider - what's your car run with the blower and all?

there's a part of me that says keep the cls forever and buy the blower. not sure though. is drivability down much or at all?

the 269 is with blower, before the B right?

Joe
Driveability is outstanding, Comptech did a fantastic job imo The 269 was pre B-Pipe, it should be around 275 now i guess, i will have a follow up dyno shortly at Comptech.
I'm enjoying having a "sleeper" car and one that everyone doesn't own. I'm gonna keep it for awhile, i hope to upgrade the ECU, larger boost pulley and possibly IC. If necessary i can always upgrade the tranny to handle the extra power, so far so good with the 5AT.
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Originally posted by scalbert
IMO, 290 - 300 WHP with the blower on the 5AT is possible now. For me to have hit 323 WHP in my 6-Speed without anything significantly different should warrant within 90% for the 5AT.

It may just be in the little things to get it just right.
I hope you're right Scalbert By the way, nice job Bro !!
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Originally posted by Red Rider
I hope you're right Scalbert
I am really curious how much of an impact the ported TB has. Have you considered this?? Since you have dyno'd before hand it might be interesting to see the results after.
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Originally posted by scalbert
IMO, 290 - 300 WHP with the blower on the 5AT is possible now. For me to have hit 323 WHP in my 6-Speed without anything significantly different should warrant within 90% for the 5AT.

It may just be in the little things to get it just right.
remember ur running the stock pulley

w/ the new max boost pulley from brad and the e-man i could see brads puttin down the around the same #'s as yours
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