cl-p with 3.5L conversion?
11-26-2002, 02:40 PM
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It definitely would not be the same power as a CL-S. Just like the headers are different (~32whp to ~17whp) this would be too. I'm sure you could still do it...but you'd probably see 30-40% less power then a Type-S does.
I dont' think there is any estimation b/c it hasn't been done yet, so there's nothing to base it off of....
I dont' think there is any estimation b/c it hasn't been done yet, so there's nothing to base it off of....
11-26-2002, 02:47 PM
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agreed
the dual stage induction, free'er flowing exhaust, etc. on the Type S will cause the numbers to vary more, so on a graph, the slope on the Type S will rise greater than on the Premium, while the % gains will b almost exactly the same, so on a graph, u'll see basically railroad tracks
the dual stage induction, free'er flowing exhaust, etc. on the Type S will cause the numbers to vary more, so on a graph, the slope on the Type S will rise greater than on the Premium, while the % gains will b almost exactly the same, so on a graph, u'll see basically railroad tracks
11-26-2002, 02:55 PM
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agreed
the dual stage induction, free'er flowing exhaust, etc. on the Type S will cause the numbers to vary more, so on a graph, the slope on the Type S will rise greater than on the Premium, while the % gains will b almost exactly the same, so on a graph, u'll see basically railroad tracks
agreed
the dual stage induction, free'er flowing exhaust, etc. on the Type S will cause the numbers to vary more, so on a graph, the slope on the Type S will rise greater than on the Premium, while the % gains will b almost exactly the same, so on a graph, u'll see basically railroad tracks
11-26-2002, 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Scooter
free'er flowing exhaust, etc. on the Type S
free'er flowing exhaust, etc. on the Type S
Ive posted this before... and ive checked every single part number from the exhaust manifold down to the mufflers.....
And if you really want to get down and dirty ... THE CLP Auto -vs- CLS Auto would be easier to make a low 13 second car
11-26-2002, 08:16 PM
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And if you really want to get down and dirty ... THE CLP Auto -vs- CLS Auto would be easier to make a low 13 second car [/B][/QUOTE]
Curious? why is that so? i would assume the cls whould be easier?
[/B][/QUOTE] Curious? why is that so? i would assume the cls whould be easier?
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A lot of reasons but by and far less technical hurdling to overcome... Here are three to start with.
1) Lower compression ratio of CLP allows for higher boost
2) Intake mainfold design is more conducive to Nitrous/Turbo/S.C. then the Two stage in the CLS.
3) Lack of VSA saves the greif of having to disable it or work around it.
1) Lower compression ratio of CLP allows for higher boost
2) Intake mainfold design is more conducive to Nitrous/Turbo/S.C. then the Two stage in the CLS.
3) Lack of VSA saves the greif of having to disable it or work around it.
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Originally posted by TheModMole
A lot of reasons but by and far less technical hurdling to overcome... Here are three to start with.
1) Lower compression ratio of CLP allows for higher boost
2) Intake mainfold design is more conducive to Nitrous/Turbo/S.C. then the Two stage in the CLS.
3) Lack of VSA saves the greif of having to disable it or work around it.
A lot of reasons but by and far less technical hurdling to overcome... Here are three to start with.
1) Lower compression ratio of CLP allows for higher boost
2) Intake mainfold design is more conducive to Nitrous/Turbo/S.C. then the Two stage in the CLS.
3) Lack of VSA saves the greif of having to disable it or work around it.
11-27-2002, 01:12 AM
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3) Lack of VSA saves the greif of having to disable it or work around it.
3) Lack of VSA saves the greif of having to disable it or work around it.
11-27-2002, 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by TheModMole
THE CLS & CLP HAVE THE EXACT SAME EXHAUST SYSTEM !!
Ive posted this before... and ive checked every single part number from the exhaust manifold down to the mufflers.....
THE CLS & CLP HAVE THE EXACT SAME EXHAUST SYSTEM !!
Ive posted this before... and ive checked every single part number from the exhaust manifold down to the mufflers.....
11-27-2002, 11:13 AM
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Well from what I see in the pic is same price and base number but different suffixes. If they are identical then why are the part numbers different? The only truly identical number is the manifold which makes sense. Different diameter pipes would have the same base part (for length and bend) but different suffix for diameter.
So to me they are not identical. I wouldn't want CLP parts on my car. The price is the same in all cases, but it might be that you get ripped off a tad more for clp.
So to me they are not identical. I wouldn't want CLP parts on my car. The price is the same in all cases, but it might be that you get ripped off a tad more for clp.
11-27-2002, 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by mickey3c
Well from what I see in the pic is same price and base number but different suffixes. If they are identical then why are the part numbers different? The only truly identical number is the manifold which makes sense. Different diameter pipes would have the same base part (for length and bend) but different suffix for diameter.
So to me they are not identical. I wouldn't want CLP parts on my car. The price is the same in all cases, but it might be that you get ripped off a tad more for clp.
Well from what I see in the pic is same price and base number but different suffixes. If they are identical then why are the part numbers different? The only truly identical number is the manifold which makes sense. Different diameter pipes would have the same base part (for length and bend) but different suffix for diameter.
So to me they are not identical. I wouldn't want CLP parts on my car. The price is the same in all cases, but it might be that you get ripped off a tad more for clp.
11-27-2002, 11:44 AM
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yes upon taking my glasses off and looking really close under bright lights they are!
they are too close.. I can see someone bring in a cls and getting clp parts... s or p it fits so what's the difference... I heard that once from a mechanic years ago .. I wonder if he is still in business..
they are too close.. I can see someone bring in a cls and getting clp parts... s or p it fits so what's the difference... I heard that once from a mechanic years ago .. I wonder if he is still in business..
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2001 Acura CL - Premium Exhaust System
Part: Qty : Description
12434 1 MANIFOLD, FR. EX.
12440 1 MANIFOLD, RR. EX.
12557 2 GASKET, EX. MANIFOLD
12577 2 COVER, EX. MANIFOLD
83566 6 BOLT-WASHER (8X14)
83857 6 BOLT, STUD (10X34.5)
85143 10 NUT, SELF-LOCK (8MM)
12473 1 MUFFLER SET, R. EX.
12515 1 MUFFLER SET, L. EX.
12668 1 CONVERTER
12701 3 BOLT, CONVERTER
12698 3 BOLT, CONVERTER
12712 1 COVER (LOWER)
12742 1 COVER (UPPER)
12785 1 PIPE A, EX.
12829 2 GASKET, EX. PIPE
12854 1 RUBBER, EX. MOUNTING
12855 5 RUBBER, EX. MOUNTING
12900 1 PIPE B, EX.
13027 1 COLLAR, EX. MOUNTING
13059 2 GASKET, MUFFLER
13150 1 GASKET, PRE CHAMBER
13150 1 GASKET, PRE CHAMBER
26037 1 SENSOR, OXYGEN
26085 1 SENSOR, RR. OXYGEN
26107 1 STAY, OXYGEN SENSOR
26135 2 STAY B
26147 3 CLIP, WIRE HARNESS
50482 1 PLATE
50540 1 PLATE, TANK BAFFLE
50555 1 PLATE
83661 4 BOLT, FLANGE (6X10)
85145 16 NUT (10MM)
85219 2 NUT (6MM)
91537 8 BOLT-WASHER (6X12)
99575 3 BOLT, FLANGE (6X12)
99823 1 BOLT, FLANGE (10X20)
100288 1 BOLT, FLANGE (10X55)
2001 Acura CL - Type S Exhaust System
12434 1 MANIFOLD, FR. EX.
12440 1 MANIFOLD, RR. EX.
12557 2 GASKET, EX. MANIFOLD
12577 2 COVER, EX. MANIFOLD
83566 6 BOLT-WASHER (8X14)
83857 6 BOLT, STUD (10X34.5)
85143 10 NUT, SELF-LOCK (8MM)
12473 1 MUFFLER SET, R. EX.
12515 1 MUFFLER SET, L. EX.
12668 1 CONVERTER
12701 3 BOLT, CONVERTER
12698 3 BOLT, CONVERTER
12712 1 COVER (LOWER)
12742 1 COVER (UPPER)
12785 1 PIPE A, EX.
12829 2 GASKET, EX. PIPE
12854 1 RUBBER, EX. MOUNTING
12855 5 RUBBER, EX. MOUNTING
12900 1 PIPE B, EX.
13027 1 COLLAR, EX. MOUNTING
13059 2 GASKET, MUFFLER
13150 1 GASKET, PRE CHAMBER
13150 1 GASKET, PRE CHAMBER
26037 1 SENSOR, OXYGEN
26085 1 SENSOR, RR. OXYGEN
26107 1 STAY, OXYGEN SENSOR
26135 2 STAY B
26147 3 CLIP, WIRE HARNESS
50482 1 PLATE
50540 1 PLATE, TANK BAFFLE
50555 1 PLATE
83661 4 BOLT, FLANGE (6X10)
85145 16 NUT (10MM)
85219 2 NUT (6MM)
91537 8 BOLT-WASHER (6X12)
99575 3 BOLT, FLANGE (6X12)
99823 1 BOLT, FLANGE (10X20)
100288 1 BOLT, FLANGE (10X55)
Your list is not only incomplete/incorrect and misleading but also typical Dealer B.S. paperwork Pull the contents from the service CD inclusive of part numbers .. They are identical ..... So stick that in your pipe and smoke it .
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Part: Qty : Description
12434 1 MANIFOLD, FR. EX.
12440 1 MANIFOLD, RR. EX.
12557 2 GASKET, EX. MANIFOLD
12577 2 COVER, EX. MANIFOLD
83566 6 BOLT-WASHER (8X14)
83857 6 BOLT, STUD (10X34.5)
85143 10 NUT, SELF-LOCK (8MM)
12473 1 MUFFLER SET, R. EX.
12515 1 MUFFLER SET, L. EX.
12668 1 CONVERTER
12701 3 BOLT, CONVERTER
12698 3 BOLT, CONVERTER
12712 1 COVER (LOWER)
12742 1 COVER (UPPER)
12785 1 PIPE A, EX.
12829 2 GASKET, EX. PIPE
12854 1 RUBBER, EX. MOUNTING
12855 5 RUBBER, EX. MOUNTING
12900 1 PIPE B, EX.
13027 1 COLLAR, EX. MOUNTING
13059 2 GASKET, MUFFLER
13150 1 GASKET, PRE CHAMBER
13150 1 GASKET, PRE CHAMBER
26037 1 SENSOR, OXYGEN
26085 1 SENSOR, RR. OXYGEN
26107 1 STAY, OXYGEN SENSOR
26135 2 STAY B
26147 3 CLIP, WIRE HARNESS
50482 1 PLATE
50540 1 PLATE, TANK BAFFLE
50555 1 PLATE
83661 4 BOLT, FLANGE (6X10)
85145 16 NUT (10MM)
85219 2 NUT (6MM)
91537 8 BOLT-WASHER (6X12)
99575 3 BOLT, FLANGE (6X12)
99823 1 BOLT, FLANGE (10X20)
100288 1 BOLT, FLANGE (10X55)
2001 Acura CL - Type S Exhaust System
12434 1 MANIFOLD, FR. EX.
12440 1 MANIFOLD, RR. EX.
12557 2 GASKET, EX. MANIFOLD
12577 2 COVER, EX. MANIFOLD
83566 6 BOLT-WASHER (8X14)
83857 6 BOLT, STUD (10X34.5)
85143 10 NUT, SELF-LOCK (8MM)
12473 1 MUFFLER SET, R. EX.
12515 1 MUFFLER SET, L. EX.
12668 1 CONVERTER
12701 3 BOLT, CONVERTER
12698 3 BOLT, CONVERTER
12712 1 COVER (LOWER)
12742 1 COVER (UPPER)
12785 1 PIPE A, EX.
12829 2 GASKET, EX. PIPE
12854 1 RUBBER, EX. MOUNTING
12855 5 RUBBER, EX. MOUNTING
12900 1 PIPE B, EX.
13027 1 COLLAR, EX. MOUNTING
13059 2 GASKET, MUFFLER
13150 1 GASKET, PRE CHAMBER
13150 1 GASKET, PRE CHAMBER
26037 1 SENSOR, OXYGEN
26085 1 SENSOR, RR. OXYGEN
26107 1 STAY, OXYGEN SENSOR
26135 2 STAY B
26147 3 CLIP, WIRE HARNESS
50482 1 PLATE
50540 1 PLATE, TANK BAFFLE
50555 1 PLATE
83661 4 BOLT, FLANGE (6X10)
85145 16 NUT (10MM)
85219 2 NUT (6MM)
91537 8 BOLT-WASHER (6X12)
99575 3 BOLT, FLANGE (6X12)
99823 1 BOLT, FLANGE (10X20)
100288 1 BOLT, FLANGE (10X55)
Your list is not only incomplete/incorrect and misleading but also typical Dealer B.S. paperwork Pull the contents from the service CD inclusive of part numbers .. They are identical ..... So stick that in your pipe and smoke it .
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11-27-2002, 10:26 PM
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...again :o
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Originally posted by TheModMole
2001 Acura CL - Premium Exhaust System
Part: Qty : Description...blah blah blah...
Your list is not only incomplete/incorrect and misleading but also typical Dealer B.S. paperwork Pull the contents from the service CD inclusive of part numbers .. They are identical ..... So stick that in your pipe and smoke it .
:sqntfawk:
2001 Acura CL - Premium Exhaust System
Part: Qty : Description...blah blah blah...
Your list is not only incomplete/incorrect and misleading but also typical Dealer B.S. paperwork Pull the contents from the service CD inclusive of part numbers .. They are identical ..... So stick that in your pipe and smoke it .
:sqntfawk:
2nd, the list is compiled from Rallye's parts dep't, so it's not incorrect or misleading
3rd, the paperwork is NOT fake...i dare ANYONE to call Rallye Acura (516-625-7070) and ask for Ray Keen who's the manager in parts...tell Ray u believe both models have the SAME EXACT EXHAUST SYSTEM and see what he says...don't ferget to tell him u don't believe the exhaust printouts Chris posted
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Hey, I work for Rallye Acura in the parts dept.
1. We always go by the part # no matter what. Me and my co-workers/bosses, know every model and trim by part number. Then we go by the diagram (fits) to see if it's a universal part or not, or if we need to see what it looks like.
2. We deal parts 90% wholesale, so we know what bodyshops/mechanic's want, and they know the numbers and we check the diagrams to confirm what they want for their customer's car. We charge them net price, and always asks what the customer's car is. Remember, we are a business and if the customer has a type-s where parts are gonna be more expensive... we're not gonna jip them off with regular premium parts if the type-s parts are more expensive.
3. The list provided that I see is way incomplete. Honda part #'s are always in 3 groups. the first group describes the actual part and what side or place it is. The second group of #'s/letter's indicates the car. The last group of numbers indicate what year and trim the car is.
i.e. 33101-S0K-A01 (99-00 TL left headlight)
33151-S0K-A11 (2001+ TL right headlight)
the first group of numbers 33101 vs 33151 indicates that it's a headlight and what side it is. Not model of the car or anything else.
33101-S6M-A01 = RSX headlight
S3M = CL (just CL not trim)
last 3 letter/numbers
A00, A01, A11 = trim and year differences
If the part # is not in this order XXXXX-XXX-XXX
It's not a part number honda gave.
Although it's different when it comes to other "accessories"
60211-S3M-A091ZZ (CL left fender)
08F13-S3M-240Z (CL wing spoiler) 240Z = signifies color
4. The sheet of paper that Scooter got is the one's that we get if we need to pull parts for the service department or customers. The part's number comes from Honda-net/Acura-link, honda's OWN software and computers. If we need updates, honda comes themselves with their own representative and updates the computers and software themselves. We do not touch anything else but ordering and billing and reference.
Hope this clarifies on how things work at a dealership. And all authorized Honda/Acura dealerships use this. Its standard honda protocol. I'm not sure about those second rate dealers that sell used cars and other stuff...they most likely buy parts from us. As dealerships are the only ones that get direct shipments from American Honda.
With the pure Japanese parts, like door for an NSX = $2000, they still go through American Honda but they get it from Honda of Japan. Packing slips and all. American Honda has parts warehouses from Ct, California, Ohio, Michigan, etc. It's not just Troy, Ohio where the cars are built.
1. We always go by the part # no matter what. Me and my co-workers/bosses, know every model and trim by part number. Then we go by the diagram (fits) to see if it's a universal part or not, or if we need to see what it looks like.
2. We deal parts 90% wholesale, so we know what bodyshops/mechanic's want, and they know the numbers and we check the diagrams to confirm what they want for their customer's car. We charge them net price, and always asks what the customer's car is. Remember, we are a business and if the customer has a type-s where parts are gonna be more expensive... we're not gonna jip them off with regular premium parts if the type-s parts are more expensive.
3. The list provided that I see is way incomplete. Honda part #'s are always in 3 groups. the first group describes the actual part and what side or place it is. The second group of #'s/letter's indicates the car. The last group of numbers indicate what year and trim the car is.
i.e. 33101-S0K-A01 (99-00 TL left headlight)
33151-S0K-A11 (2001+ TL right headlight)
the first group of numbers 33101 vs 33151 indicates that it's a headlight and what side it is. Not model of the car or anything else.
33101-S6M-A01 = RSX headlight
S3M = CL (just CL not trim)
last 3 letter/numbers
A00, A01, A11 = trim and year differences
If the part # is not in this order XXXXX-XXX-XXX
It's not a part number honda gave.
Although it's different when it comes to other "accessories"
60211-S3M-A091ZZ (CL left fender)
08F13-S3M-240Z (CL wing spoiler) 240Z = signifies color
4. The sheet of paper that Scooter got is the one's that we get if we need to pull parts for the service department or customers. The part's number comes from Honda-net/Acura-link, honda's OWN software and computers. If we need updates, honda comes themselves with their own representative and updates the computers and software themselves. We do not touch anything else but ordering and billing and reference.
Hope this clarifies on how things work at a dealership. And all authorized Honda/Acura dealerships use this. Its standard honda protocol. I'm not sure about those second rate dealers that sell used cars and other stuff...they most likely buy parts from us. As dealerships are the only ones that get direct shipments from American Honda.
With the pure Japanese parts, like door for an NSX = $2000, they still go through American Honda but they get it from Honda of Japan. Packing slips and all. American Honda has parts warehouses from Ct, California, Ohio, Michigan, etc. It's not just Troy, Ohio where the cars are built.
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