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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 04:57 PM
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Car was wrecked (expletives inside)!!!!

So i took my car to a detail shop a couple of blocks down from where i work, drop it off and walk back to work. The next thing I know, a guy I work with says my car is wrecked, i think he is joking. Sure as shit, there is my car in the intersection with a camry in it . I am like what the fuck, walk oout there and this little fucking kid was "delivering" my car back to me. Are you fucking kidding, I said I would be back to pick it up. The camry was almost under my car alittle bit. The cop has me back up off the camry, the damage wasnt that bad, i at least will need a new front bumper. Here is where the story gets interesting The fucking kid is 16 with no Drivers License I call the detail shp and ask for the owner and they wont tell me. They ask whowants to know and I say THE OWNER OF THE FUCKING CAR YOU JUST FUCKING WRECKED!!!!! and they hang up. So I pay a visit and finally the owner calls in and i get his name and number. I call him back wanting insurance info and he tell me his policy doesnt cover the kid. Then asks if i pushed the kidm i tell him NO and that everybody i work with was outside when iwas out there. he calls me back and says he will have to look into it, that my insurance will have to cover it because I told them to bring the car to me(which i didnt) I am like dude, some 16 yr/old non licensed driver that works for you just wrecked my shit and your trying to get smart, are you fucking kidding? he says he wants to see the car tomorrow. I already went to the body shop and they said about $1000.00. What the fuck is this guys problem, he is clearly at fault, not to mention the guy who took a ride in the ambulance claiming whiplash What a fucking start to the weekend!!!!!!!!!
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 04:59 PM
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Lawyer!!!

Get one quick...the owner sounds like a rusty tool.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 05:04 PM
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Lawyer!!!

Get one quick...the owner sounds like a rusty tool.

Thats what im afraid of, this guy should just own up and take care of business
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 05:16 PM
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This one time where you seriously need to get a lawyer asap, dont let these fuck around and waste time. If you do, you will end up getting dicked.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 05:32 PM
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Get one of those lawyers that doesn't get payed unless you do, then sue his ass for a whole new car.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 06:00 PM
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Wow... the detail shop just F****D up bad!
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 06:05 PM
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16 yr old driving your 6 speed? doesnt equate for a happy time for your car..
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 06:22 PM
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Well, i dont really like using lawyers, but damn, this is the time to get one.

Since my car wash has a detail shop, let me give you a little insight on this subject, hope it helps.

1. Whenever I pick-up/deliver a car, i make the customer sign a waiver saying we are not responsible for any damage. If you didnt sign it, their insurance must cover it.

2. They have insurance that should cover all employees.

3. They are at fault for putting a 16yr old driver with no license behind the wheel.

4. If the insurance does not cover an unlicensed 16 yr old driver, then basically, the owner of the shop is fucked. He will have to pay out of pocket.

If you get a lawyer, under these circumstances, there is no way you will lose.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by Katana18
Well, i dont really like using lawyers, but damn, this is the time to get one.

Since my car wash has a detail shop, let me give you a little insight on this subject, hope it helps.

1. Whenever I pick-up/deliver a car, i make the customer sign a waiver saying we are not responsible for any damage. If you didnt sign it, their insurance must cover it.

2. They have insurance that should cover all employees.

3. They are at fault for putting a 16yr old driver with no license behind the wheel.

4. If the insurance does not cover an unlicensed 16 yr old driver, then basically, the owner of the shop is fucked. He will have to pay out of pocket.

If you get a lawyer, under these circumstances, there is no way you will lose.

thanks for the help guess I am going to have to lawyer up


The funny part was after it was over, The Sherrif said.."man, i would have beat that kids ass"
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 07:54 PM
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Get a lawyer and you'll get more then $1000
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 08:10 PM
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I work for an insurance company and let me give you my insight. If you get a lawyer, sure, you will recover your damages but lawyers usually take 1/3 of what you get. If your car has $1000 worth of damages, you'll probably get $666.67.

I am not familiar with the insurance law in your State but if it is an at-fault state, then you should report this to your insurance anyway. They will probably pay for your damages first and they will subrogate from the owner of the detail shop. Depending of who your insurance carrier is, you might not have to pay your deductible. If you tell your insurance you never gave permission for anyone at the detail shop to drive your vehicle, it cannot go against you, therefore, your insurance rate will not go up. Again I am not familiar with the insurance law in your State so I am just giving you my opinion based on CA laws. If it was up to me, I would not get a lawyer as this is a very easy case to handle on your own with your insurance company's help. Lastly, since it is only $1000 or so worth of damages, you can go through small claims court.
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 08:42 PM
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Man, like the sherrif said, whoop dat ass. That is some fawked up shit. Good luck with resolution
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 08:55 PM
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1. get a lawyer

2. i'd vandalize that detail shop
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by proaudio22
Get one of those lawyers that doesn't get payed unless you do, then sue his ass for a whole new car.
I couldn't have typed it better myslef!!!!
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Old Nov 7, 2003 | 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by AcuraTL
I work for an insurance company and let me give you my insight. If you get a lawyer, sure, you will recover your damages but lawyers usually take 1/3 of what you get. If your car has $1000 worth of damages, you'll probably get $666.67.
I have never known anyone who just goes for the physical damages on the car.

I just hope you nail this guy to the wall and you didn't sign off on something without reading it.

Good luck.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 12:21 AM
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I have never known anyone who just goes for the physical damages on the car.

I just hope you nail this guy to the wall and you didn't sign off on something without reading it.

Good luck.
He wasn't in the car, he can't get more than what the damage was to his vehicle.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by AcuraTL
He wasn't in the car, he can't get more than what the damage was to his vehicle.
But he can sue for emotional distress and tons of inconvenience (not sure exactly what that would fall under). Not to mention, negligence on behalf of the (owner of the) shop in question.

Also, if you can prove even a dollar in damages caused to you (in terms of time lost, car repair), then punitive damages will pile up on top of that, and those have no limit. If the judge feels your pain/can relate, he can have that shop give you $100k in punitive damages even if the harm to your personal property was $900.

A good lawyer would come in handy. Handle that shit, brother. Good luck.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 02:31 AM
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seems fair if you could sue for car damages, negligence, the deductible, lawyer costs, court costs, lost wages, and mybe emotional distress and punitive damages. IMO you should be getting alot more than the $1000.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 03:16 AM
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That sucks. When you get the lawyer ask him if there are any penalties the state can give the shop owner, or if he belongs to any professional groups (AAA-aproved shop or anything like that) be sure to report it to them so they lose sponsorship and maybe get fined from other angles. If he owns a shop that's part of a franchise, let the parent company know.
Maybe call a TV station and tell them the story after you get your settlement so they get bad press.
I think the objective isn't only to get money to fix your car or get your car replaced, it's also to put him out of business. The trick is to fuck them up legally and over time.
At least that's how I would see it if it was done to me. I'd make the owner's life as hard as I can, and only feel satisfied when he either loses it all (including house, kids, etc) or kills himself.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 03:48 AM
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LAWYER LAWYER LAWYER AND QUICK.


just get one and you are straight. quick though. real quick.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 04:47 AM
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make sure to let us all know what detail shop it is in case any people from the area ever consider having their detailing done there.

also, how was the kid supposed to get back to the body shop if he was "delivering" your car? were you supposed to drive him back?
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 05:00 AM
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also, how was the kid supposed to get back to the body shop if he was "delivering" your car? were you supposed to drive him back?


Sounds like he might have been doin' errands in a nice car and f*cked up.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 05:34 AM
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GUYS! I have exclusive on-scene video taken while it happened!

http://home.comcast.net/~otownsme/accident.WMV
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by civic4982
make sure to let us all know what detail shop it is in case any people from the area ever consider having their detailing done there.

also, how was the kid supposed to get back to the body shop if he was "delivering" your car? were you supposed to drive him back?

some guy was following him in a chase car and left when th accident happened
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by CLSter
I have never known anyone who just goes for the physical damages on the car.

I just hope you nail this guy to the wall and you didn't sign off on something without reading it.

Good luck.

havent and wont sign anything
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 06:45 AM
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yeap, for sure a lawyer needs to get involved. I bet after to tell this to a lawyer you'll see his/her eyes light up. Guaranteed money....for sure I would ask for a new car, that was ridiculous. After everything is said and done...get a couple of boys to beat the crap out of that 16 yr old.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 09:48 AM
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But he can sue for emotional distress and tons of inconvenience (not sure exactly what that would fall under). Not to mention, negligence on behalf of the (owner of the) shop in question.

Also, if you can prove even a dollar in damages caused to you (in terms of time lost, car repair), then punitive damages will pile up on top of that, and those have no limit. If the judge feels your pain/can relate, he can have that shop give you $100k in punitive damages even if the harm to your personal property was $900.

A good lawyer would come in handy. Handle that shit, brother. Good luck.
Even if he WAS in the car and was hit by another car, it would be hard for him to prove emotional distress in court. He can't get inconvenience if he gets a rental car while his vehicle is in shop for repairs. He can't even recover lost time from work for taking his car to the shop and dealing with this case. As for punitive damage, what punitive damage? He is entitled what is owed to him, which is a rental car while his car is in the shop and the damage to his car. Stop with this non-sense in getting lawyers to get this and that. Alot of people always complain why the insurance is so high.......care to take a guess why?
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by AcuraTL
Even if he WAS in the car and was hit by another car, it would be hard for him to prove emotional distress in court. He can't get inconvenience if he gets a rental car while his vehicle is in shop for repairs. He can't even recover lost time from work for taking his car to the shop and dealing with this case. As for punitive damage, what punitive damage? He is entitled what is owed to him, which is a rental car while his car is in the shop and the damage to his car. Stop with this non-sense in getting lawyers to get this and that. Alot of people always complain why the insurance is so high.......care to take a guess why?
Thank you.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 11:29 AM
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i will be happy if they just freakin pay for the damages done to the car
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 12:24 PM
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1. get a lawyer

2. i'd vandalize that detail shop
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by AcuraTL
Even if he WAS in the car and was hit by another car, it would be hard for him to prove emotional distress in court. He can't get inconvenience if he gets a rental car while his vehicle is in shop for repairs. He can't even recover lost time from work for taking his car to the shop and dealing with this case. As for punitive damage, what punitive damage? He is entitled what is owed to him, which is a rental car while his car is in the shop and the damage to his car. Stop with this non-sense in getting lawyers to get this and that. Alot of people always complain why the insurance is so high.......care to take a guess why?
still, he can claim for devaluation of the car due to an accident being on it's record.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 02:45 PM
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Latest update: the owner called and said he would be having the kids dad get in touch with me, that i needed to just use my insurance to get it fixed and the kids dad would compensate me.............i told him he was crazy, that he was liable since the kid worked for him............he said by the kid driving my car off his work w/o a license he was "out of bounds"...........i told him i wasnt trying to be a dick I just wanted my car fixed .........he then told me i was disrespecting his property because my hand print was on the the glass door of his shop where i had pushed it open......i told him he was crazy and he would be hearing from my lawyer on monday...........he said have three lawyers call him he didnt care and it would just take longer for me to get my money, waht a fucking prick
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 02:49 PM
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dude... go the long route on this one... don't do this under the table... ream this guy's business for everything he's got. take him to small claims court. make him file bankruptcy if necessary. then after you've f*cked him real good. have your insurance take care of it.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by civic4982
dude... go the long route on this one... don't do this under the table... ream this guy's business for everything he's got. take him to small claims court. make him file bankruptcy if necessary. then after you've f*cked him real good. have your insurance take care of it.

I am going to pay for the car to get fixed myself, its about a $1000.00 , after todays conversation, i would like nothing more than to ruin this guy
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 02:59 PM
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 03:04 PM
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you shouldnt be calling the guy...let the lawyers figure it out
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 03:49 PM
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still, he can claim for devaluation of the car due to an accident being on it's record.
Highly unlikely as there's only $1000 worth of damage to his vehicle. Damage to his bumper would not consider devaluation to his vehicle. It has to be some kind of major impact and still, that's hard to prove.

jts1207, the best advise I can give you is go through your own insurance for this. They have the power to subrogate from the owner and take him to collections. I am not sure who your insurance is but alot of them would not make you pay your deductible based on your circumstances.

Lastly, you can go through small claims court but once again, even if you get a judgement against him, it is up to YOU to collect the money from him. One good thing is when you get a judgement against him is that it will stay on his public record for 7 years.......again, that's based on CA law.

Good luck, you can PM me if you want to discuss this with me further.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 04:08 PM
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should i report this to my insurance?
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 04:10 PM
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should i report this to my insurance?
If your State is an at-fault state, then this accident will not count against you because you were not driving and you did not give permission for that kid to drive your vehicle. If you don't believe me, call up your insurance agent or Department of Insurance to confirm.
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Old Nov 8, 2003 | 06:32 PM
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After all is said and done....Please post the name and contact info of the shop
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