peakpowermotoring

I've searched for this subject but no one really has a good answer. Who makes cams for the CL Type S??? How about bolting a NSX head onto our block would that work as well??? Im very curious because it seems like for the people who want to go N/A there really isnt much out there. We have intake, exhaust, headers, apexi vafc or a unichip setup, intake manifold spacers and a few small things but nothing big like cams, cam gears or valve train. Why is that?

phipark

Not enough of a market for an aftermarket company to dump shit tons of R&D money into them.

peakpowermotoring

Seems kinda gay if you ask me. They made this car with 260hp in stock form for a reason, and there is a lot of potential. I wish comptech stepped up and created something, it seems like they have a lot of the basics covered but only with forced induction and not N/A.

All Mine

I'm actually talking with a friend of mine about getting some custom ground cams from Web.

mclarenf3387

Well when the majority of CL owners are 50 year old women, there are not a lot of potential customers for a company to justify the cost of devoloping a cam for our cars.
And the Type-S head is the best head for the block (compared to any other J series) head. A c32 head will not fit.

mclarenf3387

And the Type-S head is the best head for the block9compared to any other J series) head. A c32 head will not fit.

phipark

it's all business

mrsteve

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I'm sure cams have been developed for this motor. Some sandrails are pushing 1000 horsepower. You aren't going to get 1000hp on stock cams. However, I'm sure it isn't something you could call up and have them pull it off the shelf for you.

peakpowermotoring

Kinda sucks cuz it would have big gains for the forced induction guys too just the way it helps the 2jz supra guys...

mrsteve

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Yeah but you know what, I really feel the limit for this drivetrain is 400whp. Even that is pushing the limits. It's just a lot of power for a FWD heavy car.

Sly Raskal

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weren't the guys that have FI also complaining that because of the high compression that you can't run high boost?

The potential for this motor would have been great if it wasn't so highly tuned from the manufacturer. If only the compression ratio was lower and it was a DOHC system I think it could have been a car with great mod potential.

mrsteve

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True we can't run "high boost" but it's all relative... we don't need to run high boost to make power. Try running 6.5psi on a factory EVO... you aren't going to get gains like we do on the J-Series. And I feel this motor already has great potential. It's the car that it is in that kills it. Too heavy and too hard to get moving from a stop. With engine management like HONDATA K-Pro the adjustment of cam phasing/angle could help us pick up some more power on the boosted motors but that type of system just isn't in the cards.

All Mine

CLS6's motor and tranny into a CD5 Accord coupe.... And boost the piss out of that.... Good luck finding something that would beat it.

scalbert

I do wish the engine had been rotated 90 degrees and had a driveshaft, I would have have been able to get over the lack of rear doors.

mrsteve

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Doubtful you'll ever see that anytime soon from Honda

With the exception of the S2K of course

scalbert

And I wouldn't look at that unless they added FI or dropped a V6 or I6 in it. My MR is much more fun in daily driving.

mrsteve

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Speaking of cams. IPS just finialized testing on the K20A2 turbo application cams. Gains look a little something like this:

Without tune:

rpms stkcam IPScam whp gain
4.0__ 128__ 131__ +3
4.4__ 149__ 155__ +6
5.0__ 212__ 219__ +7
5.4__ 272__ 284__ +12
6.0__ 325__ 343__ +18
6.4__ 346__ 358__ +12
7.0__ 373__ 385__ +12
7.2__ 380__ 390__ +10
7.4__ 390__ 399__ +9
7.6__ 399__ 409__ +10
7.8__ 406__ 416__ +10
8.0__ 415__ 420__ +5
8.2__ 403__ 418__ +15
8.4__ 397__ 418__ +21
8.6__ 387__ 420__ +33

Tuned (cam angle adjustments, fuel adjustments, no timing adjustments):

5.5__ 278__ 285__ +7
5.7__ 299__ 319__ +20
5.9__ 324__ 348__ +24
6.1__ 328__ 357__ +29
6.3__ 340__ 362__ +22
6.5__ 355__ 367__ +27
6.7__ 363__ 383__ +20
6.9__ 367__ 390__ +23
7.1__ 378__ 403__ +25
7.3__ 381__ 409__ +28
7.5__ 392__ 422__ +30
7.7__ 403__ 432__ +29
7.9__ 410__ 436__ +26
8.1__ 410__ 433__ +23
8.3__ 395__ 430__ +35

Tuned (added back in +2 on the ignition):

rpm ips cam ips w/+2* whp gain
6.0__ 354__ 362__ +8
6.2__ 356__ 376__ +24
6.6__ 373__ 393__ +20
6.8__ 389__ 404__ +15
7.0__ 396__ 410__ +14
7.2__ 406__ 425__ +19
7.4__ 416__ 430__ +14
7.6__ 428__ 442__ +14
7.8__ 433__ 453__ +20
8.0__ 437__ 458__ +21
8.2__ 432__ 455__ +23
8.4__ 430__ 452__ +22

So from 387 to 452 with just cams and a new tune on 15psi stock internals. That car will run high 10s low 11s on slicks. I should have bought a K-series the 2nd time around

belcom

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my buddy's cousin is a honda mechanic and I was just speaking to him yesterday. he mentioned to me that Cam gears may fuck up the engine (the 3.2 that is). But he did say more agressive cams would be a nice addition. He also mentioned that unless you got a supercharger there's almost no point in putting headers on, as the stock headers have enough flow for the 260hp the car is pushing. So I'm guessing in his opinion unless you're getting some sunstantial gains out of a mod, it is not worth the money. unless of course you got tons of $$$ to waste.

car_lost

dude, headers alone give n/a peeps 32 peak whp.

phipark

If you can get at least an extra 20 whp out of headers, then I would need to say your mechanic isn't the best.

03 CL TypeS

Yeah you're mechanic doesn't know his stuff.

It's the cat-back exhaust that flows well and doesn't need to be replaced.

The headers on the other hand are so restrictive that replacing them gives 30whp.

02AV6

Unless Honda produced turbo from the factory it's a waste to me.
It makes 240hp, but it takes 8000rpms to get this power and 11.1:1 CR. It doesn't actually start making any power until 6000rpm. How often do you find yourself driving in the 6000 to 8000 rpm power band? This isn't a bike it's a car.
And you have to do a naughty thing to a clutch to move it from the line, no thanks.

mrsteve

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Your mechanic is a dolt. Headers are the best N/A mod for this car. Easily gaining 20-30 horsepower at the wheels.

blk2001tlon19s

Yep, the headers give nice power! I'm happy with my Comptech ones!