mattg

mattg

i concider 14.7 to be high 14's. the reply over there was 14.7-14.8

Montez

Its all good bud, we all have similiar taste in cars thats why I am here, and to learn from the CL/CLS guys. Peace

mattg

glad to have you here bro.

H@mmerm@n

But you're talking about getting a better jump, and that's not what it would boil down to for me or Glenn. I would guess that he and I are probablly equally (un?)skilled at dead-stop launches, so it's more down to the capability of each of our cars.

Regardless, it will be fun, and if I can't match pace I will be the first to admit it here.

mattg

Mike, what i'm saying is, the 350 ran a 14.23 @ 97, i ran a 14.33 @ 99. 1/10 second difference, and i trapped 2 mph higher.

glenn has got to be running quicker than me. he should beat you. he had better beat you. :sqnteek:

EGH

The Z would win dudes....that car is violent and a soon ast there is abend in the road it would be Goodnight, see ya!

You'd have to spend 4K to match a Z. The machine is sick fast, all torque, all handling, little weight....

Red Rider

Wow, i've been gone alot lately and missed this thread for replies !! Anyway, i'll be lookin to win that generous offer from you Matt Hammerman, my good Buddy, i'll give you a rematch, this time i'll have the VSA off

Red Rider

Yes a CL-S would have to be modified to keep up in the twisties, and i did. I did have to work harder but i was right on his tail all day. Just shows how good our cars are with some tweaking. It is not a pure sports car after all.

H@mmerm@n

As will I, bro!

Red Rider

When coffee is involved we'll really be motivated

CrockPot

red rider...what's the offset on your TE37's?

1SICKLEX

The lowest 0-60 time I've seen for a MANUAL Z is 0-60 in 5.5, with a high of 5.8 in Road and Track. The car is quick but not a beast. It can be taken out.

I still have not gotten any Z owner to bite. The closest was merging on the freeway around a bend and we both hit it and he got behind me topping out at 80mph....

Red Rider

48. I love em

widerGTP

I guess it all depends on one's definition of "sick fast".

cusdaddy

C&D August 2002 got 0-60 in the Z in 5.4 seconds. I know it's not far from a 5.5 but faster than any stock CLS

Red Rider

I'd say 5.4 is pretty damn quick !!

darrinb

i aint scared of no Z

Scrib

I would be...

Z owners are running low 14s in this hot and humid weather (stock). Take your CLS to the track and see if you can do the same. I would say you'd come up a bit short.

Not hating, just trying to put things into perspective.

zeroday

i'm up for a friendly race if anyone in my area wants to run my Z.

TL_Type_S

Why does everyone assume that a Z will always have a kick ass driver in the driver's seat (in the manual Z).. and that that driver, guy or girl, will shift perfectly every time and pull a 14.23 equivalent run when you race him at a stoplight..??????????

I would venture that guys that take their cars to the track tend to be better stick drivers than the MAJORITY of Z drivers out there (manual) b/c guys at the track are trying to improve their aggressive shifting to improve their ET's.. they're goal oriented.

It's funny, I drive an '03 Max SE as well, and I swear, my TL-S can beat it everytime.. and I ran a best of 15.0 stock in my TL-S... I've searched on the .org for all the ET's of auto '02+ maximas.. my average was 14.9 that I calcuated from all the posted numbers. On occasion, someone would post a 14.7 or a 14.6 .. but those were rare.

There is one dude w/ an auto Maxima, bluby2k or something like that .. and his times are quoted SOOOOOO OFTEN (stock times) that it almost seems like all auto Maxima's run 14.6's... it's a crock of shit

typeR

howabout 3.5 Vs. 3.5 now thats fair ...seriously...im on my350z every day and id say more cars struggle to break 13 then to achieve it...the car is quick and as bolt ons become more and more available it will surpass most of our best efforst as it is now...a CL-S any tranny with all the bolt ons and tires can out drive a Z but it'll be all in the hands of the driver...matt was that you that said the Z is quicker 14.23 to your .33 a tenth on the street is nothing...

cusdaddy

The fact remains that racing is always a drivers race. Especially when the performance between these two cars is fairly close.

But just to correct what you said above, running a 14.2 in a Z does not take a perfect driver. Running below 14 takes one. ~14.2 in a Z is pretty average.

F23A4

Knocking off a 14.7sec ET is as simple as getting those frickin Potenzas to hookup. I could probably run a more consistent 14.6-14.7 sec ET if I ran R-compound tires instead.

kcrotor

I raced a 350Z last night in my 2001 CL-S. I followed him out of the garage where I work. I caught him up the street and we raced from a roll off a light (5MPH). I expected him to walk away from me but to my surprise I actually pulled him by about 2 feet through first and second. We shut down about 80-90 MPH and I was still a bit ahead of him. My car is stock except for a K&N replacement filter (what's that worth - maybe 5HP?). He should have beat me, not sure why he did not. His shifts seemed crisp enough, maybe he had the AC running or something I dunno. Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the kill. Perhaps I will look for him again today!

zeroday

Good kill...many races come down to the driver...did you gate shift or use the tiptronic? Now try racing me heheh.... I have yet to race a CLS...kind of itching to...but no one around here seems to be interested...of course...i am modded now so it might not be that fair...but hey its all in good fun anyway.

BSK181

i cannot believe that with all the people that are near you and you being an ex cl-s owner, that you cannot get a race

who's stepping up here?

what mods?

kcrotor

I used triptronic. A 350Z sould beat a CLS, but like you said the driver can make a difference. Either way I will take it as a kill. If you can drive and have mods I think I will save my gas.

zeroday

Lightly modded 6 speed. I've got a modified upper intake manifold; similar to the RES or MM2 that never reached production for the CLS. According to other Z dynos, it gives the car an additional 11 peak whp, 20whp at redline..up top where the Z needs it most. It's definitely much faster than before. I also have a hyper grounding kit, which if any hp gains, I would say 4hp max. I honeslty haven't posted a thread about wanting to race, because I think people here would take that the wrong way...like I was trying to prove something or whatever...but I have asked people in random threads and no one seems to bite. It's more of a curiosity thing rather than a 'haha i'll woop your ass' thing.

1SICKLEX

I simply cannot get a run with a 350Z either. The closest was racing one when the express ramp merged and I got ahead.

The 350Z is a nice, swift car but not an acceleration champ. I think owners know this.

Nothing a Greddy turbo can't fix though!

Montez

Funny my wifes 03 Max auto always got my 02 TLS out of the hole and was ahead by1/2 car at 60 before I traded it in on the 350Z, we got hers to run a 14.73 stock. The key in that car is the launch and thsoe shitty potenzas dont help.

lightningman

i not sure about that

friday night i took the lightning down to the track and
was able to watch three z's go down the runway.
on their first run neither were able to break 14.5
1.14.786gold
2.14.891blue
3.14.651silver
on run two i wasn't able to see as i was in the line up for my turn
but again none beat the 14.5 mark

on run #3 only one was able to crack the 14.5
1.14.689gold
2.14.984blue
3.14.567silver

run #4
1.15.012gold
2.14.876blue
3.14.507silver

maybe with slicks they could bring their times down

there was one cl -types there with h/i/p and clocked in at
1.14.985
2.14.725
3.17.025 blew a shift
4.14.456

so by those numbers that cl could kick those 350 z's

to many people magazine race i would put money down that(not all) most people who would take their car to the track probably couldn't match the numbers that motor trend and other magazines published.



my two cents worth

forgot to add
temp was 75 deg
humidity was 50

last 2 runs for the domestics were rained out

mattg

oh, boy. the nissan nazis are gonna have something to say about this. :o

roo97ss

only run into 2 that would play. one was about 60-90, even x2 on the highway, he jumped the first time and i did the second, held the brief advantage. pretty close overall.

Run 2 was on the highway from about 80-130 (prob 120 at best for him). That was good for a solid 6 lengths or so...and in the ls1, pretty much what i was expecting...LT1/new GT territory.

Joe

cusdaddy

The #'s I posted come straight from real people on my350z.com. Check it out of you don't believe me. Of course with a manual car, the times can fluctuate badly, but the Z driven well is a ~14 second car

widerGTP

The only real way to have a legitimate comparison of #s is like lightningman did. The two cars should been at the same track, with the same traction, in the same heat, the same humidity and the same altitude. Using equally skilled drivers wouldn't hurt either. Doing anything else is like mag racing; ghey.

350Zs are peppy but personally I wouldn't call them fast. Very nice cars though. I wouldn't mind having one in my garage.

1SICKLEX

I think Road and Track gave the 350Z track a 1/4 mile time of 14.4/14.5 as well. EVO (The European mag)gets an even harder edge 350Z suspension wise but no more power and they said the car feels as if it has 240hp not 287. They still love the car though.


This sounds similar to the 340hp Q45 going 0-60 in high 6 seconds. I STILL can't get one to run me.

judge

Honestly the 6mt Z doesnt seem all that quick. To look at the speedo under hard gogo it's obvious the car can move but it just doesnt feel that way.
The auto Cl-S actually feels like it has more power at vtec switchover but I think it's the way the car sits under accelleration.
I drive both cars and believe the Z would be out front most of the time. Stock for stock.
The real pleasure in the Z is most definately it's handeling, not sprints.
The two cars are apples and oranges.
Most of the time I really prefer to drive the Acura. It's just easier to drive.

Scrib

I think what makes the Z/G seem slow is their power is so damn linear. When I owned my CLS and hit that magic VTEC rpm number, the car would make a sweet rumble and roar through the rpm band. The Z/G just seem to make power secretly. The engine note is much different. But when you look at the speedo when driving, it climbs and climbs and climbs.

Track times don't lie. Both the Z/G are low 14 second cars stock. To me, that's good enough.

cusdaddy

The European Z coming out shortly puts out ~17 less hp and 15+ less torque for some reason than the US Z. I am guessing that's why it did not feel as strong to them. My Z feels every bit as strong as it's 287hp.

What's with all the hating on the Z? It's a low 14 to high 13 second stock car driven well. I consider that a fast car. Compared to a Z06, yeah it's not fast, but it's fast nonetheless.

If anyone with their cars in the CT area is up for a friendly race, I'm always down. I'd love to show you how slow my Z is.