TL_Type_S

http://www.acura-tl.com/forum/showth...6&pagenumber=3

my '02 TL-S w/ 38K miles, plus $6000.00 puts me in a new '04 TL, no strings attached.

chime in at acura-tl.com

mattg

good deal.



wow, i didn't know that 350Z were having tranny problems.

phil2

lou_RENAMED

thats a great deal I hope you're getting the 6 spd.

Crazy Bimmer

So they bought your car for 27k? How much did the lawyer cost? Do you still have to pay 6k PLUS taxes? Or is 6k include the tax?

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

That's pretty sweet.

But....why buy another Acura? You still have to lay out another $6k for another TL and you're giving that $6k to Acura. They still made money off of your orignal purchase even after the buy back, and now you're giving them another $6k towards another car..... so in the end they're making a bunch of money on you.

If I were you I'd get a G35c or something and not give Acura your business again.

ChadT

The 350Z tranny thing is a few posts down in the thread that the link in the first post takes you to. 6 speed 350 with problems.

lou_RENAMED

juniorbean remember that he is putting $6K for a new car...that if he went to Infinity they would offer less than $20K for his car with the mileage he has. Now he has to come up with $12K to $14K. If I was in his shoes take the new car and drive straigh to the Infinti dealer and start negotiating from there...Ill bet hell be closer

I hope he's taking off the mods before he trades that changes everyhting

Crazy Bimmer

I think junior is saying that acura should just buy back his car for 27k and use that 6k towards another car.

oonowindoo

lemon that shit and get a brand new one for free....

lou_RENAMED

yea but remember acura is using wholesale #s not retail...wholesale the Tl should be around $28K

so they are really offering him $22 K for his car and save on tranny replacements in the long run. I makes absolute sense for Acura to do that since they have more confidence in their newer drivetrain

lou_RENAMED

oh shit thats right 5 times for the same thing = lemon law and full refund

something to think about

Crazy Bimmer

true. So really it was acura kinda winning....since they wont be losing any money with this.

evilstorm

I agree, when my transmission starts to give me problems i will not go back to another acura

TL_Type_S

I'm taking all the mods off.. and I'm considering doing exactly what someone suggested .. taking a TL w/ 5 miles on it to an infinit dealership to negotiate on a G35 AWD.

This whole ordeal has pissed me off... i have NO choice but to accept this offer and take the new TL ... THEY REFUSED TO GIVE ME CASH ... and they weren't gunna give me the cash I'm saving on a new TL that I'm getting at invoice, which I cannot get if i was a random walk-in at an acura dealership.

Edmunds TMV for a new TL is like $32,000 right now. So far, I think I've gotten the best deal from Acura every posted on either this forum or the tl forum.

TL_Type_S

i considered the 6-spd ... but i'm not interested w/ the type of driving i do on a daily basis... though i would love one...

lou_RENAMED

but like somebody stated if you have the same problem for 5 times and they cant fix it...you get full refund for the price paid. Now did you buy it new with 0 miles cause remember its warrantied to 100K miles meaning if your already at 4 tranny Id get the 5 and wait for it to bust and then get full refund for the tl-s and 50k miles on it

1SICKLEX

A new TL is 27k at cost? Good deal Peter, glad you got taken care off.

lou_RENAMED

this is the ILLInois lemon law . Dude go in there with a print out of all this and say you want a new one at no cost this is pure BULLSHEET.

Dont pay shit bro

Failure of vehicle to conform; remedies; presumptions.

1. If after a reasonable number of attempts the seller is unable to conform the new vehicle to any of its applicable express warranties, the manufacturer shall either provide the consumer with a new vehicle of like model line, if available, or otherwise a comparable motor vehicle as a replacement, or accept the return of the vehicle from the consumer and refund to the consumer the full purchase price or lease cost of the new vehicle, including all collateral charges, less a reasonable allowance for consumer use of the vehicle. For purposes of this Section, "collateral charges" does not include taxes paid by the purchaser on the initial purchase of the new vehicle. The retailer who initially sold the vehicle may file a claim for credit for taxes paid pursuant to the terms of Sections 6, 6a, 6b, and 6c of the Retailers' Occupation Tax Act. Should the vehicle be converted, modified or altered in a way other than the manufacturer's original design, the party which performed the conversion or modification shall be liable under the provisions of this Act, provided the part or parts causing the vehicle not to perform according to its warranty were altered or modified.


2. A presumption that a reasonable number of attempts have been undertaken to conform a new vehicle to its express warranties shall arise where, within the statutory warranty period, (1) the same nonconformity has been subject to repair by the seller, its agents or authorized dealers during the statutory warranty period, 4 or more times, and such nonconformity continues to exist; or (2) the vehicle has been out of service by reason of repair of nonconformities for a total of 30 or more business days during the statutory warranty period.


3. A reasonable allowance for consumer use of a vehicle is that amount directly attributable to the wear and tear incurred by the new vehicle as a result of its having been used prior to the first report of a nonconformity to the seller, and during any subsequent period in which it is not out of service by reason of repair.


4. The fact that a new vehicle's failure to conform to an express warranty is the result of abuse, neglect or unauthorized modifications or alterations is an affirmative defense to claims brought under this Act.


5. The statutory warranty period of a new vehicle shall be suspended for any period of time during which repair services are not available to the consumer because of a war, invasion or strike, or a fire, flood or other natural disaster.


6. Refunds made pursuant to this Act shall be made to the consumer, and lien holder if any exists, as their respective interests appear.


7. For the purposes of this Act, a manufacturer sells a new vehicle to a consumer when he provides that consumer with a replacement vehicle pursuant to subsection (a).


8. In no event shall the presumption herein provided apply against a manufacturer, his agent, distributor or dealer unless the manufacturer has received prior direct written notification from or on behalf of the consumer, and has an opportunity to correct the alleged defect. (Source: P.A. 89-359, eff. 8-17-95; 89-375, eff. 8-18-95; 89-626, eff. 8-9-96.) (815 ILCS 380/4)

Chaptorial

Sounds like you made out well. Congrats.

Be sure to post some pics of the new ride.

Eggplant-EX

I would have taken it. If offered, I would take it now with my car (01 with 45K).

But have decided some time ago, it will be a long long time before I would even consider another Honda/Acura (this after new 96 Accord LX, new 98 Accord EX and new 01 CL-S).

Always bought Honda/Acura cause it is supposed to help the US economy (since they assemble in the US). Always stayed away from Toyota. Well, I have certainly given Honda/Acura enough chances.... The tranny is the last straw.

AK_MOBBER

I thought it was three times with documented proof of them trying to fix the problem?

TL_Type_S

I've already spoken to several law firms... trust me, I made the rounds and did my homework -- every firm told me i did not fall within the lemon law...

I'm not waiting till a fifth tranny, that's ridiculous, LOL!

Lou:
You see that phrase "reasonable number of attempts" ???
That's where the "fine print" begins, so to speak. Trust me on this one, i've consulted attorneys on this, it's very picky. VERY FEW LEMON LAW victories occur each year. They are very difficult to win. The fact that my transmission is working "fine" right now also precludes me from filing under lemon law. The BBB even told me I do no fall under lemon law, and they know that law better than most.

I just hope I've helped others out.

pimpscls

sweeet man

TL_Type_S

Chap --

New pics will arrive promptly -- i'll have side by side pics of the old POS and the new one at the dealership. i promised i would be very thorough so i can actually help people to deal w/ acura in the future, so i'm not thru yet. You'll get actual verbage of the contracts, etc. I have signed NO nondisclosure agreement.

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

FYI, it's 3 in NY, but it varies by state.

Well, with all that has been posted it sounds like a pretty good deal all around. Hopefully you'll have better luck with the new TL (I'm sure you will!)

power3dfx

damn it,
right when i was completely rid of the tranny issue in my head, you bring it right back to life!
congrats on getting it handled though, you WILL be happy with the 04 TL. I think honda would be smart enough to fix the problem by now, because they really did loose alot of money on the topic before; and i highly doubt the extra research money would exceed actual replacement costs they incured.

BTW, when you go to pick the new car up, try choosing one that has some "dealer installed options" such as floor mats, wheel locks, and even a spoiler. They might give you all those options so make sure you try it. It doesnt hurt to try.

TL_Type_S

Power .. good advice, thank you for the tip.

Junior .. thanks for the support ... it's been a struggle... i just can't wait till the contract is signed and I'm in the new car.

Looking forward to the new TL.

dallison

you did exactly what i would've. 6k is about what i would've wanted to pay. congrats on the hard work and good luck

123456SPEED

I wonder ehy the guy would buy another product from Honda if he had such bad luck with them? The 04 TL has very little history as far as trannies go. Only way I would have done that deal is to get the 04 and resell it, to recoup my money.
What makes you think the 04 TL tranny is any better? THere's no proven history on it at all.

TL_Type_S

I've already addressed this issue, but I'll do it again for you:

This deal was the only way I'd get the most money from Acura. If I took cash, I would not have gotten the money saved on a new TL, and the chance to sell the new TL to someone.

If I had kept my car, I most probably would have gone thru another two trannies, and risked a hazardous situation on the highway as I had done twice previously.

The 2004 TL has absolutely NO reputation, I agree. However, it was incumbant upon Acura to produce a vehicle without the sinister tranny issues that plagued the previous generation TL's and CL's... they knew exactly what needed to be done (i'm thinking) for the 2001-2003 generations of CL's and TL's.. however, it would have required a massive recall. W/ a fresh start on the 2004, they could redesign the tranny from the ground up. I"m not defending the 2004 at all.. only time can test that. I'm just playing the odds.

If i have a tranny failure in the 2004, you have NO idea what kind of hell I am going to unleash. Money will be a non-issue at that point.

TL_Type_S

They [Acura] started off by intimidating me, and making feel like I was ridiculous for even suggesting that they should compensate me more than they already had done [i.e. replaced two defective trannies, how DARE I demand more??!]. Then they were forced to play fair by the BBB. Then they made friends w/ the BBB, and both of them agreed on a crap deal. Then I became a thorn in their side. Then they decided they wanted the thorn out.

darrinb

that would be funny if the trans goes un ur new tl

are there any performance mods out for the new tl, u sure are gonna miss the speed

was the dealer giving u shit about ur mods when the tranny was breakin

mattg

darrinb

did i stutter ho

mattg

it wouldn't be funny, fartknocker.

Chopsie

I assume it went to the dealer with the mods still on it ?

TL_Type_S

They knew all about my comptech mods --- in fact they offered to install them for me. They used to sell and install Comptech mods four years ago, now they just install them. They said both times when the tranny failed that the mods had NOTHING to do w/ the failures. The crank pulley was a post-tranny install (only four months ago) and it'll all come off before i get to the dealership.

dallison

that exactly how companies do it. they make you feel like they have gone out of their way so many times before and that you should be lucky it was done at no charge.
finally someone gets them to dig a little deeper than their pathetic offer

123456SPEED

TL type S, thanks for the explanation. Hopefully Acura learned something from their CL/TL tranny debaucle.
There's not always a lot of options when dealing with car manufacturers, so it seems you got the best of what was offered.
I have sayed with Honda/Acura for 4 cars now because I want reliability. I've looked a German cars, (BMW), but the reliability (and cost), as I see it, is a deterrent. I like the 04 TL, good luck.